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Trump Names Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy to Lead New Efficiency Department

WashingtonMatt said:
He deserves every bit of recognition, plus more, and then some more.
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Also this. Without Musk this likely wouldn't have happened. Him buying Twitter completely destroyed their ability to control narratives through social media. On top of that Musk dumped shitloads of money into combating fraud ahead of the election and campaigned extensively for Trump in battleground states, especially Pennsylvania.
 
Lawless said:
One thing to consider is how many gov employees are a year or two from retirement. If I were one of them I would be on my knees praying for an offer of severance to get out of work early. I've seen it done many times in the forest industry here and I've never ever heard of anyone who got the offer complaining about it.
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Offering early retirement could be win/win?
 
Lawless said:
One thing to consider is how many gov employees are a year or two from retirement. If I were one of them I would be on my knees praying for an offer of severance to get out of work early. I've seen it done many times in the forest industry here and I've never ever heard of anyone who got the offer complaining about it.
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You know, I am kinda torn about that. But not really. While I feel for people who are that close to retirement, we are talking about people who chose the fed gov for job security among other things. And most, if not nearly all, participated in perpetuating the bloat and happily earned paychecks from it while doing not that much. Companies downsize or go out of business in the real world and there is no last minute parachute for people "almost" at retirement. The cushy job security needs to be ripped away from government employment. Lack of job security is what makes people seek excellence so they get to keep the job. It is how the rest of the world operates.

Besides, if they are near retirement, they are fully vested in whatever retirement program they have been participating in. Go find another job for a few more years and finish up your career. Then go play daily golf. Handle your life like an adult. Shit happens.
 
clodhopper said:
You know, I am kinda torn about that. But not really. While I feel for people who are that close to retirement, we are talking about people who chose the fed gov for job security among other things. And most, if not nearly all, participated in perpetuating the bloat and happily earned paychecks from it while doing not that much. Companies downsize or go out of business in the real world and there is no last minute parachute for people "almost" at retirement. The cushy job security needs to be ripped away from government employment. Lack of job security is what makes people seek excellence so they get to keep the job. It is how the rest of the world operates.

Besides, if they are near retirement, they are fully vested in whatever retirement program they have been participating in. Go find another job for a few more years and finish up your career. Then go play daily golf. Handle your life like an adult. Shit happens.
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None of this is necessarily true, at all.

I dislike the size of govt as much as the next person, but having been through downsizing, blaming the individual is dumb.
 
clodhopper said:
Lack of job security is what makes people seek excellence so they get to keep the job. It is how the rest of the world operates.
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rockota said:
None of this is necessarily true, at all.

I dislike the size of govt as much as the next person, but having been through downsizing, blaming the individual is dumb.
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See the quote above yours for clarification...
 
rockota said:
None of this is necessarily true, at all.

I dislike the size of govt as much as the next person, but having been through downsizing, blaming the individual is dumb.
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Blaming the individual? Hardly. They made decisions as adults. Why should fed gov employees be treated any more special than the rest of us?
 
bdkw1 said:


This is fucking retarded.
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Sometimes you just gotta rip the fucking Band-Aid off, it won’t be pretty, but it’s effective.

My big concern is a whole bunch of former government employees with one to two years free salary. The last thing we need is these assholes with all their bills paid, and lots of time on their hands.


ETA my other concern once the government is efficient, does Doge go away? I sure hope so.
 
clodhopper said:
Blaming the individual? Hardly. They made decisions as adults. Why should fed gov employees be treated any more special than the rest of us?
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Not saying they should be treated differently.

Most private orgs are subject to the WARN act, and long time employees get decent severance. People at my org can get nearly 12 months depending on length of service. 2 months + 1 week per year is common. Why should govt employees get nothing?
 
rockota said:
Not saying they should be treated differently.

Most private orgs are subject to the WARN act, and long time employees get decent severance. People at my org can get nearly 12 months depending on length of service. 2 months + 1 week per year is common. Why should govt employees get nothing?
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First:

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And the Warn act is about job loss notification. As far as I can gather, nothing about severance or post employment compensation.
 
Thatg9659 said:
ETA my other concern once the government is efficient, does Doge go away? I sure hope so.
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Since it is extra governmental, there is no reason it should go away or be capped other than as a tool to the executive. I’m curious how they’re going to keep it extra unless they treat them like subcontract, employees, and consultants, which may be able to have, some operating expenses paid for out of the executive funds from some department. Perhaps this could set a precedent for the future. Would be nice if government efficiency became a trend
 
rockota said:
And that comment isn’t necessarily true. Some of the best performers/top attainers are OFTEN part of lay offs.
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Quit being that "ackchyually" meme.

If a company wipes out an entire division, then yeah everybody goes. If only half the staff is bounced, the valued employees are retained.... well unless the company is overrun with leftist leaders trying to right the perceived wrongs of society.
 
clodhopper said:
First:

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And the Warn act is about job loss notification. As far as I can gather, nothing about severance or post employment compensation.
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So you agree with me?

Like I said - most private orgs are subject to warn.
 
clodhopper said:
Quit being that "ackchyually" meme.

If a company wipes out an entire division, then yeah everybody goes. If only half the staff is bounced, the valued employees are retained.... well unless the company is overrun with leftist leaders trying to right the perceived wrongs of society.
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You’re simply incorrect. You can claim otherwise as much as you want - it won’t make your case.

A blanket “top performers are safe” statement is not correct. There are other factors involved, inclusive of costs
 
clodhopper said:
Nope. You were implying we treat govt layoffs according to WarnAct. There is no obligation to do so.

AND you ignored that Warn has nothing to do with compensation.

So, zero for you.
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You may want to attend Zoolander’s school for kids who can’t read good.

I didn’t say any of that.
 
rockota said:
You’re simply incorrect. You can claim otherwise as much as you want - it won’t make your case.

A blanket “top performers are safe” statement is not correct. There are other factors involved, inclusive of costs
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You work for the govt somewhere, doncha? Getting a real strong vibe that direction......
 
To say top performers are often laid off when downsizing is ignorant. Private sector companies that do that as a rule don’t last long, regardless of other factors.
 
clodhopper said:
You work for the govt somewhere, doncha? Getting a real strong vibe that direction......
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I kinda wish. I was close to the “can’t beat em, join em” phase about a year ago.
 
IowaOffRoad said:
To say top performers are often laid off when downsizing is ignorant. Private sector companies that do that as a rule don’t last long, regardless of other factors.
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It’s absolutely not ignorant. It happens all the time. Especially in Hi-tech and sales. Top performers are often the most expensive… and if the company has govt contracts, they often have other criteria they have to meet.

Edit: I’m not justifying or agreeing with it. But it does happen often.
 
rockota said:
I kinda wish. I was close to the “can’t beat em, join em” phase about a year ago.
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I get that. Again, a choice for job security... the whole "join em" thing. I cant really criticize that line of thought. I hit a wall years ago and elected to change career paths into a new industry.

I did my share of govt work very early in life and couldnt stand the waste, shitty employees and political garbage. Grew up around it and much of my extended family is either direct gov or contractor on gov projects. I still do occasional fed gov construction support and every time it is a teeth gnash episode from dealing with the crap and the crappy people. There are some good people in fed gov, but most are complete garbage. Solid C or D graduates who simply hang around long enough to be pushed up the ladder. Those types exist in the private world, but no where near the same concentration as in gov agencies.
 
rockota said:
It’s absolutely not ignorant. It happens all the time. Especially in Hi-tech and sales. Top performers are often the most expensive… and if the company has govt contracts, they often have other criteria they have to meet.

Edit: I’m not justifying or agreeing with it. But it does happen often.
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Often implies more than 50% of the time. Short-sighted companies get rid of top-performers (which also implies they are making the company they work for more money per dollar they get paid than others) to their own detriment. Said top performers land on their feet, if they actually were.
If mass firings catch top performers, those people will be fine. If they aren’t fine, then they weren’t top performers.
You can’t be truly good at what you do and unemployed/unemployable unless you are making a choice
 
Honky Lips said:
will they actually be able to get anything done or will they be fought and stopped for 4 years?
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Dude.... They have the house and senate.... It's a fucking epic win.

On the flip side... Elon might be a "dead man walking"....
Shit could get fucking ugly!....:smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin:
 
billdacat said:
Dude.... They have the house and senate.... It's a fucking epic win.

On the flip side... Elon might be a "dead man walking"....
Shit could get fucking ugly!....:smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin:
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I hope they aren't counting on Gov agents keeping them alive, they might even employ food tasters
 
clodhopper said:
I did my share of govt work very early in life and couldnt stand the waste, shitty employees and political garbage.
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Did 2.5 years working for the state, because it seemed like the easy way. Couldn’t stand to see the waste and abuse. My boss did t even hide that he built his house while “working from home” . The lack of drive and motivation with employees was a no-go . Could not see myself working 30 years in that environment.
Since then I’ve worked my ass off for less pay and benefits …so maybe I’m not so smart.
 
east_beast said:
Vivek has even floated 12-18 months severance packages saying that yeah it eats into the immediate cost savings but with the trade off of A) still getting all the mid to long-term savings B) not being cruel to the individuals getting shit canned and C) giving the labor market ample time to absorb the influx of available labor.

And honestly, I think that makes a lot of sense on all fronts. Just shit canning a bunch of people with minimal severance would be a bit of a disaster both for the individuals and the overall economy, like it or not.
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Problem is...when Obama gave unemployment for 90 weeks...guess what people waited 90 weeks to look for a job..

When I left .mil.....I was eligible for 6 weeks unemployment...took a job I didn't want within 3 weeks
 
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