Trump Names Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy to Lead New Efficiency Department

[east_beast]

The catch is severance could take the fangs out of dissenting arguements that could slow things down. If the fed employees are taken care of as departments get cut, the counter arguments will be limited to reasons the agency should have existed, instead of arguing "Oh the humanity" of kicking people to the curb. Shifts the focus to what really matters, and keep support of the masses along the way.

The libs and media will still cry to high heavens but the average America will see through it and realize that these people got a really sweet fucking deal. Hell, maybe I need to start looking to see what's available locally through .gov and try to get me a package.

 

[Motorcharge]

It's more about the greater good. If you just cut them lose with no severance you're going to immediately take a lot of consumer spending out of the economy while at the same time flooding the labor market and driving wages down due to the flood in supply of labor. You're going to cause a massive recession. Mass layoffs with nice severance package seems to be the most logical compromise. You have to do this in a way that's not going to break the economy or you're going to hand the Dems every available seat in the mid-term elections and then you're not going to be able to get shit done in the second half of the term. Vivek is right. You have to move FAST and you have to do it in a way that isn't going to cause massive economic disruption. They have the mandate now. They may not have it in two years. If they can fix the border and reign in the government bureaucracy while keeping all these war hawks Trump has appointed from starting a war with Iran or China then this will be a massive win for America. Here's to hoping.

 

[rockota]

Then fire them in batches as needed instead of just a flat 50% to fire 50%. If they're going to get paid with our tax dollars I'd much rather they be working than paying them to look for a new job. It has fuckall to do with vengeance. I just don't want to see them getting special treatment where you or I wouldn't.

a lot of layoffs come with severance. Not all, but many.

Much easier to "buy" the severance and get rid of the costs of angst, fighting and lawsuits... Much cheaper....

 

[Hooligan]

Not just the LA Valley, lots of big urban centers had/have smog issues.

Now most of the newer regulations that CARB has come with is just because they're trying to justify the size of their department and existence. And they're also trying to push a political agenda.

CARB Fakes Out California

Vol. 16 No. 32, September 1, 2010 CARB Fakes Out California By K. Lloyd Billingsley, editorial director The University of California at Los Angeles is attempting to dump James Enstrom, a researcher with the UCLA School of Public Health. This action is part of a larger story with consequences for...

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And it's just not the air we breathe that smog regulations are trying to control. Look up acid rain and it's effects.

The goal was clean air, mission accomplished the LA basin and Central Valley air is way nicer than 80s-90s. So they can dismantle most of the agency now! Do some compliance work now and then, but more regs year after year aren’t needed

 

[east_beast]

Not just the LA Valley, lots of big urban centers had/have smog issues.

Now most of the newer regulations that CARB has come with is just because they're trying to justify the size of their department and existence. And they're also trying to push a political agenda.

CARB Fakes Out California

Vol. 16 No. 32, September 1, 2010 CARB Fakes Out California By K. Lloyd Billingsley, editorial director The University of California at Los Angeles is attempting to dump James Enstrom, a researcher with the UCLA School of Public Health. This action is part of a larger story with consequences for...

www.pacificresearch.org

And it's just not the air we breathe that smog regulations are trying to control. Look up acid rain and it's effects.

I lived in Evergreen, CO for 14 years which is the first mountain town heading west from Denver up I-70. It was crazy driving down into Denver and looking at the brown cloud just hanging over the city. People don't realize it with Denver marketing itself as the "mile high city" but Denver actually sits in a big bowl. You obviously have the mountains to the west and the Palmer Divide to the south but even to the east and north those plains are a little higher than the metro area itself sitting in the bottom there along the South Platte and Clear Creek and Cherry Creek. On still days that smog just sits there in that bowl and you can literally see it from the surrounding mountains. Fucking gross.

 

[Fuzzydog]

The official statement reposted by Musk:

The "Great" Elon Musk? Really?

What next?
"The Incredible Flying Zucchini Brothers" get tapped to launch illegals back over the wall?

They can do great things without making it sound like a circus.

 

[Void_of_Light]

The catch is severance could take the fangs out of dissenting arguements that could slow things down. If the fed employees are taken care of as departments get cut, the counter arguments will be limited to reasons the agency should have existed, instead of arguing "Oh the humanity" of kicking people to the curb. Shifts the focus to what really matters, and keep support of the masses along the way.

Could, but wont. They scream about how all the govt workers are starving everytime the govt shuts down. All those people get back pay once they ram through whatever mega spending bill gets passed.

Send me home for 2 weeks and then pay me for the time I spent not working. I dare ya.

 

[east_beast]

The "Great" Elon Musk? Really?

What next?
"The Incredible Flying Zucchini Brothers" get tapped to launch illegals back over the wall?

They can do great things without making it sound like a circus.

Trump and Elon are both trolls at heart. It is what it is.

 

[rockota]

Could, but wont. They scream about how all the govt workers are starving everytime the govt shuts down. All those people get back pay once they ram through whatever mega spending bill gets passed.

Send me home for 2 weeks and then pay me for the time I spent not working. I dare ya.

this is exactly why it will take the sting out... they don't have a disruption in ability to pay bills.

 

[Hooligan]

Honestly, 60 days is too short. WARN act would require longer. Ild give them 6-12 months, depending on length of employment. Cheap investment

Does WARN act apply to .gov or did they exempt themselves?

 

[east_beast]

Could, but wont. They scream about how all the govt workers are starving everytime the govt shuts down. All those people get back pay once they ram through whatever mega spending bill gets passed.

Send me home for 2 weeks and then pay me for the time I spent not working. I dare ya.

The libs and the media are going to scream and cry no matter what. They still think they matter and haven't grappled with the reality that their bullshit pushed a lot of folks who would've probably sat it out or maybe voted third party to hold their nose and vote for Trump because fuck you that's why. Most of your average Joes aren't gonna fall for that bullshit. If you have most Americans the opportunity to walk off from their job with 12-18 months severance most of them would hit the door running to take advantage of the opportunity to find something better or start their own business or go back to school or trade school or whatever. A paid period of 12-18 months to plot a new course in life? I mean, that is a SWEET fucking deal. A lot of people dream of doing something different rather than keep punching the clock where they're at because they're basically stuck. They have bills to pay and can't really afford to walk away. Well, here's your shot. Given that option a LOT of people would take it. I wouldn't be shocked if they rolled it out as a voluntary option at first to see how many folks will voluntarily jump on it.

 

[Thumping]

The real problem for any government worker that gets shit canned is the real worlds knows they are lazy fucks and who would hire them?

Maybe they can learn to code...

 

[WhiteTrash303]

And now the air quality is a ton better in Denver than it was in the early 80s. Sure you can still see some brown cloud but the only time the air quality exceeds limits is when forest fires blow in. The air was safe enough in 2012 that emissions testing was supposed to sunset. The failure rate of vehicles was so low that the cost of running the program was $12k for every vehicle that they failed. Then magically just before the sun was supposed to set you got a high enough failure rate of vehicles to keep the program in place.

I would love to see the data from that time period. I'm willing to bet that most of those "failures" were from gas caps "accidentally" not tested properly because jobs were on the line. Vehicles are clean enough now that the bullshit needs to end, the only reason it doesn't is money and power.

 

[DWT]

The catch is severance could take the fangs out of dissenting arguements that could slow things down. If the fed employees are taken care of as departments get cut, the counter arguments will be limited to reasons the agency should have existed, instead of arguing "Oh the humanity" of kicking people to the curb. Shifts the focus to what really matters, and keep support of the masses along the way.

Agreed. If you can't figure your shit out in 6-12 months then you never will and you're a poster child for .gov loser employees that can't hack it in the real world.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Then fire them in batches as needed instead of just a flat 50% to fire 50%. If they're going to get paid with our tax dollars I'd much rather they be working than paying them to look for a new job. It has fuckall to do with vengeance. I just don't want to see them getting special treatment where you or I wouldn't.

I agree in principle, but sometimes you need to lose a battle or two to win the war.

Do they deserve anything? No.

Would we be better off long term if we gave them a cookie to leave provided the system won't kick back too hard? Yes.

The danger in going full "you're fired" in there is if you get some judicial or legislative backlash that entrenches these jobs and agencies more than the actually are now.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

It's more about the greater good. If you just cut them lose with no severance you're going to immediately take a lot of consumer spending out of the economy while at the same time flooding the labor market and driving wages down due to the flood in supply of labor. You're going to cause a massive recession. Mass layoffs with nice severance package seems to be the most logical compromise. You have to do this in a way that's not going to break the economy or you're going to hand the Dems every available seat in the mid-term elections and then you're not going to be able to get shit done in the second half of the term. Vivek is right. You have to move FAST and you have to do it in a way that isn't going to cause massive economic disruption. They have the mandate now. They may not have it in two years. If they can fix the border and reign in the government bureaucracy while keeping all these war hawks Trump has appointed from starting a war with Iran or China then this will be a massive win for America. Here's to hoping.

Those people won't be flooding the labor markets with any useful skills so i wouldn't worry about wages going down unless you have a moronic job that any idiot can do......


Remember dumb ass, you voted for Trump because you thought he would be good for the country and now all you do is bitch about what he hasn't even done yet.

You seem to have all the great ideas, maybe you should run for president....

 

[AgitatedPancake]

The official DOGE X page is live:

x.com

 

[rockota]

Does WARN act apply to .gov or did they exempt themselves?

That's a great question... I don't know.

 

[Motorcharge]

Reading the text it defines employer as a business enterprise only. Sounds like it wouldn't cover government or at least there's a real argument that it wouldn't.

 

[Drummer79]

The catch is severance could take the fangs out of dissenting arguements that could slow things down. If the fed employees are taken care of as departments get cut, the counter arguments will be limited to reasons the agency should have existed, instead of arguing "Oh the humanity" of kicking people to the curb. Shifts the focus to what really matters, and keep support of the masses along the way.

Vivek made this part pretty clear in his Tucker Carlson interview. Yes, you're wasting money still by paying these people that got shit canned, but it'll start to pay for itself pretty quickly as these big wasteful departments are no longer wasting money to prove the need for their existence.
He didn't say it but what came to my mind was how the FBI seems to be involved at least in some part of most of the big terror plots they uncover.

 

[zlathim]

All you guys in here bitching about CARB need to refocus your anger. That's a CA thing that isn't likely to change. CAFE standards are what we need to focus our anger on and maybe something could even be done to cripple parts of this standard. Cafe is what prohibits us from having the good shit that manufacturers sell in 3rd world countries. I'm thinking about utilitarian Toyota pickups with 4 cylinder turbo diesels and shit like that.

 

[Chkn]

All you guys in here bitching about CARB need to refocus your anger. That's a CA thing that isn't likely to change. CAFE standards are what we need to focus our anger on and maybe something could even be done to cripple parts of this standard. Cafe is what prohibits us from having the good shit that manufacturers sell in 3rd world countries. I'm thinking about utilitarian Toyota pickups with 4 cylinder turbo diesels and shit like that.

Unfortunately it isn’t just a CA thing. 14 other states have adopted the CARB standards. Although I agree that CAFE needs to go away.

 

[bdkw1]

Why not both?

 

[RusM]

The "Great" Elon Musk? Really?

What next?
"The Incredible Flying Zucchini Brothers" get tapped to launch illegals back over the wall?

They can do great things without making it sound like a circus.

Quick a raccoon is into your apple syrup!

 

[bigun]

‘Almost Comical’: Trump Sources Knife Elon Musk Over Distracting Antics In Anonymous Leaks To Politico

Sources in Trump's orbit have begun taking the knives out for Elon Musk in anonymous leaks to Politico bashing his antics around Mar-a-Lago since Trump's win.

www.mediaite.com

‘Almost Comical’: Trump Sources Knife Elon Musk Over Distracting Antics In Anonymous Leaks To Politico​

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Tommy ChristopherNov 13th, 2024, 8:23 am
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Sources in President-elect Donald Trump’s orbit have begun taking the knives out for billionaire supporter Elon Musk in anonymous leaks to Politico bashing his antics around Mar-a-Lago since Trump’s victory.
One of the defining features of the Biden presidency was a lack of knowledgeable sources willing to leak to the press, which was a stark contrast to the first Trump administration. Now it appears the leaks are coming back, if Wednesday’s Politico Playbook is any indication.
At issue is Musk’s omnipresence at the epicenter of the Trump transition, where he was reportedly set to tag along for Trump’s visit with President Joe Biden at the White House.
Politico’s Rachael Bade and Eugene Daniels (with help from Eli Okun, Garrett Ross, and Bethany Irvine) say Trumpworkd sources call Musk’s encroachment “almost comical” — “almost”:

ELON BUTTS IN — Later this morning, Trump travels to Washington for the first time since his sweeping presidential victory last week, where he’ll make the customary visit to the White House and huddle with allies on Capitol Hill.
Earlier this week, however, Trump’s inner circle was abuzz that he might have a traveling companion for the trip: not wife MELANIA, who is remaining in Florida, but ELON MUSK — who privately expressed interest in joining Trump for his visit with President JOE BIDEN, to the vexation of some Trump insiders.
…
But the notion of allowing Musk to tag along to the White House, for a hallowed ritual in the peaceful transfer of power, prompted a bewildered reaction inside Trump world: Was that even allowed? What was the protocol for such a thing?
As of last night, it appears the plan might not materialize. After appearing earlier this week on a draft manifest for this morning’s flight to D.C., we couldn’t get a clear answer last night on whether Musk is coming or not.
The bigger picture, however, is how Musk is starting to wear out his welcome with some in Trump’s orbit. After initially making a huge splash with his endorsement, made just moments after the July attempt on Trump’s life, some insiders now say he’s become almost a comical distraction, hanging around Mar-a-Lago, sidling into high-level transition meetings and giving unsolicited feedback on Trump’s personnel decisions.
“Elon is getting a little big for his britches,” one insider tells Playbook.

Musk may or may not be wearing out his welcome around Mar-a-Lago, but that impatience, thus far, does not appear to extend to Trump just yet. Other well-sourced Trumpologists like CNN’s Kaitlan Collins corroborate Politico’s reporting that president-elect is still on board with Musk.
“Sources have described Trump as enamored with Musk,” Collins reported this week, unwelcome news for some.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

‘Almost Comical’: Trump Sources Knife Elon Musk Over Distracting Antics In Anonymous Leaks To Politico

Sources in Trump's orbit have begun taking the knives out for Elon Musk in anonymous leaks to Politico bashing his antics around Mar-a-Lago since Trump's win.

www.mediaite.com

‘Almost Comical’: Trump Sources Knife Elon Musk Over Distracting Antics In Anonymous Leaks To Politico​

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Tommy ChristopherNov 13th, 2024, 8:23 am
371 comments




Sources in President-elect Donald Trump’s orbit have begun taking the knives out for billionaire supporter Elon Musk in anonymous leaks to Politico bashing his antics around Mar-a-Lago since Trump’s victory.
One of the defining features of the Biden presidency was a lack of knowledgeable sources willing to leak to the press, which was a stark contrast to the first Trump administration. Now it appears the leaks are coming back, if Wednesday’s Politico Playbook is any indication.
At issue is Musk’s omnipresence at the epicenter of the Trump transition, where he was reportedly set to tag along for Trump’s visit with President Joe Biden at the White House.
Politico’s Rachael Bade and Eugene Daniels (with help from Eli Okun, Garrett Ross, and Bethany Irvine) say Trumpworkd sources call Musk’s encroachment “almost comical” — “almost”:

Musk may or may not be wearing out his welcome around Mar-a-Lago, but that impatience, thus far, does not appear to extend to Trump just yet. Other well-sourced Trumpologists like CNN’s Kaitlan Collins corroborate Politico’s reporting that president-elect is still on board with Musk.
“Sources have described Trump as enamored with Musk,” Collins reported this week, unwelcome news for some.

They are reaching pretty far to come up with that article. If Trump wants to bring Elon along for his visit why is it of anybodys concern but theirs? And...... there is "antics" but no actual description of said "antics" from these "sources".

 

[Archer]

I really appreciate what Elon has done for the 1st. and what he may well be doing with DOGE, but if you follow him on X, he's damn near throwing his shoulder out patting himself on the back for Trump's Win. I could see where that may cause an issue eventually.

And that in itself could cause real problems.

.

 

[WashingtonMatt]

I really appreciate what Elon has done for the 1st. and what he may well be doing with DOGE, but if you follow him on X, he's damn near throwing his shoulder out patting himself on the back for Trump's Win. I could see where that may cause an issue eventually.

And that in itself could cause real problems.

.

He deserves every bit of recognition, plus more, and then some more.

 

[Motorcharge]

I really appreciate what Elon has done for the 1st. and what he may well be doing with DOGE, but if you follow him on X, he's damn near throwing his shoulder out patting himself on the back for Trump's Win. I could see where that may cause an issue eventually.

And that in itself could cause real problems.

.

You're reading way too much into his posts.

 

[Lawless]

One thing to consider is how many gov employees are a year or two from retirement. If I were one of them I would be on my knees praying for an offer of severance to get out of work early. I've seen it done many times in the forest industry here and I've never ever heard of anyone who got the offer complaining about it.