Trump Names Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy to Lead New Efficiency Department

[Motorcharge]

It technically should have an impact on gdp as well… since govt spending is included in that calculation

So you change how they recalculate this shit like every administration does. The metrics for GDP, unemployment, inflation, etc are constantly changing which is why the comparisons are worthless.

 

[Motorcharge]

Well someone's going to have to take the place of the work all the deported illegals are doing....

That and you'll see a lot of state governments expand to replace these Federal agencies to a degree. A lot of these Federal employees will be able to eventually transition to state level.

 

[AgitatedPancake]

Promising sentiment, well see how impactful the follow through will be

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Beyond this whole thing even existing, one sentence of the official release makes me raise an eyebrow.

"Their work will conclude no later than July 4, 2026 - A smaller Government, with more efficiency and less bureaucracy, will be the perfect gift to merica on the 250th Anniversary of The Declaration of Independence."

They intend to make this happen in the next 19 months. They have to know something we don't know as far as what they can make happen in that timeframe.

Or they picked that date to coincide with our 1/4 millennia birthday, another Independence Day

So Trump is saying he's going to make the government smaller and the first thing is does is create another .gov agency. Hmmm

Outside of .gov

In a setting where he has a lot of power, yes. In a setting where branches of government have to agree on something, we shall see.

They are making recommendations based on their findings. I’d expect a Twitter files type of thing

It's what the second paragraph is about

"To drive this kind of drastic change, the Department of Government Efficiency will provide advice and guidance from outside of Government, and will partner with the White House and Office of Management & Budget to drive large scale structural reform, and create an enterpreneurial approach to Givernment never seen before."

They know its not going to be popular with the welfare masses, therefore needs to be done before the midterm.
Or it will be insanely popular, and still needs to be done before the midterms.

Trump is on record saying that they have 100 days to do anything they plan on being effective and long-lasting.

That and you'll see a lot of state governments expand to replace these Federal agencies to a degree. A lot of these Federal employees will be able to eventually transition to state level.

True, but many states won’t. I’d bet it will be 60/40 states that won’t add those agencies vs those that will. Hopefully it will increase the divide between free states and not, causing the population that’s left in the regulated states to revolt against the uniparty… a boy can dream anyway

 

[Ghetto Fab.]

Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not really seeing where this is going yet.

So they are outside the .gov and are only making recommendations. So who is going to listen to them?

It seems there best idea so far is a leaderboard of wastefull spending ideas. Which might work if you can finally embarrass the rest of the politicians into being more efficient.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not really seeing where this is going yet.

So they are outside the .gov and are only making recommendations. So who is going to listen to them?

It seems there best idea so far is a leaderboard of wastefull spending ideas. Which might work if you can finally embarrass the rest of the politicians into being more efficient.

One of the problems with things like the GAO is that it is a part of the .gov. Using what is essentially an outside auditor, along with an executive that seems willing to do something might work where every other attempt has failed.

 

[Motorcharge]

True, but many states won’t. I’d bet it will be 60/40 states that won’t add those agencies vs those that will. Hopefully it will increase the divide between free states and not, causing the population that’s left in the regulated states to revolt against the uniparty… a boy can dream anyway

May just be new jobs within existing agencies as well. Obviously 100% replacement isn't needed but some things will need to be taken over at the state level for sure. Like I'm sure you'll see increases in hiring at things like state level DoT as more of that funding and responsibility is shifted back to the states. I'm sure you'll never see certain things reproduced at the state level, like the Peace Corps for example.

Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not really seeing where this is going yet.

So they are outside the .gov and are only making recommendations. So who is going to listen to them?

It seems there best idea so far is a leaderboard of wastefull spending ideas. Which might work if you can finally embarrass the rest of the politicians into being more efficient.

Chevron being overturned means Trump can issue EOs directing existing agencies to only follow the law as written and throw out any regulation that wasn't specifically written into law by Congress. These appointments may just be people who have agreed to follow that and enforce at an agency level recommendations from DOGE. If that happens they can claim reduction in work force need and fire en masse employees from these agencies as that bypasses protections in place that protect individual Federal jobs.

Presidential reorganization authority - Wikipedia That's possible as well if Congress is on board. It would give Trump the authority to shut down entire agencies with limited Congressional oversight as well as merge agencies as needed. Trump also has the authority to relocate where existing agencies operate out of as well. He can move agencies entirely out of DC and away from the influence of lobbyists and special interest groups.

 

[bdkw1]

 

[bdkw1]

Promising sentiment, well see how impactful the follow through will be

This is good, his plan to fire every other GOV employee based on the SS number is just plain stupid.

 

[bdkw1]

This is fucking retarded.

 

[bdkw1]

And it's just not the air we breathe that smog regulations are trying to control. Look up acid rain and it's effects.

Most of the acid rain on the west coast comes from China. The EPA driving industries out the US just made it that much worse.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

We will also have a leaderboard for most insanely dumb spending of your tax dollars. This will be both extremely tragic and extremely entertaining

I thought that was the best part.

 

[shortbus4x4]

Most of the acid rain on the west coast comes from China. The EPA driving industries out the US just made it that much worse.

Yep, exporting our environmental damage to other countries.

 

[east_beast]

This is fucking retarded.

Seems inefficient but it was just a way around the protections built in for government employees. The entire system is built on inefficiency and difficulty to dismantle in an efficient manner. It's tough to fix it without breaking it and that was very much by design.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Seems inefficient but it was just a way around the protections built in for government employees. The entire system is built on inefficiency and difficulty to dismantle in an efficient manner. It's tough to fix it without breaking it and that was very much by design.

Came here to say this. The problem with trying to dismantle the .gov is all the legal framework around hiring/firing. One of the few legal ways to cut staff is mass firing, because it’s difficult to use performance metrics. Painful yes, but possibly necessary

 

[east_beast]

Yep, exporting our environmental damage to other countries.

This is what sooooooo many liberals don't understand when they're screeching about environmentalism and human rights and buying into the bullshit marketing messaging from large companies. They're building their shit with virtual slave labor in countries with no labor or environmental protections. They're committing absolute atrocities they're just doing it out of sight on the other side of the globe.

 

[bdkw1]

Came here to say this. The problem with trying to dismantle the .gov is all the legal framework around hiring/firing. One of the few legal ways to cut staff is mass firing, because it’s difficult to use performance metrics. Painful yes, but possibly necessary

I guess it would be similar to Regan firing the ATC. Shit can them all then hire back the few worth hiring?

 

[Void_of_Light]

I guess it would be similar to Regan firing the ATC. Shit can them all then hire back the few worth hiring?

Thats what Musk did with Twitter.

 

[DVanVorous]

will they actually be able to get anything done or will they be fought and stopped for 4 years?

Try 2 not 4...FED legislature elections for all the house members and 1/3 the Senate are every 2. Lets not forget the filibuster rule in the senate. If the GoP chooses to bump the required vote from a super majority to a simple majority with a rule change in 2025 that will carry over to next admin/legislature...

 

[Motorcharge]

This is fucking retarded.

Agreed, 50% too is too low.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Agreed, 50% too is too low.

Agreed. Most agencies aren't doing anything "necessary" for basic needs of either what the .gov is needed for, nor for the needs of the vast majority of Americans. I'd fire everyone with a 60 day severance, with a 60 day recall possibility. In 60 days you should be able to figure out what is necessary (if anything) and who you actually need to do it.

 

[DVanVorous]

Musk gets shit done.

He will be nothing more than a cabinet member as is his cohort. The legislature makes the budget not the President or some lowly cabinet member. All he can do is shuffle the $ around and deal with the 15% that is the employee portion of the budget.

 

[rockota]

Agreed. Most agencies aren't doing anything "necessary" for basic needs of either what the .gov is needed for, nor for the needs of the vast majority of Americans. I'd fire everyone with a 60 day severance, with a 60 day recall possibility. In 60 days you should be able to figure out what is necessary (if anything) and who you actually need to do it.

Honestly, 60 days is too short. WARN act would require longer. Ild give them 6-12 months, depending on length of employment. Cheap investment

 

[east_beast]

Agreed. Most agencies aren't doing anything "necessary" for basic needs of either what the .gov is needed for, nor for the needs of the vast majority of Americans. I'd fire everyone with a 60 day severance, with a 60 day recall possibility. In 60 days you should be able to figure out what is necessary (if anything) and who you actually need to do it.

Vivek has even floated 12-18 months severance packages saying that yeah it eats into the immediate cost savings but with the trade off of A) still getting all the mid to long-term savings B) not being cruel to the individuals getting shit canned and C) giving the labor market ample time to absorb the influx of available labor.

And honestly, I think that makes a lot of sense on all fronts. Just shit canning a bunch of people with minimal severance would be a bit of a disaster both for the individuals and the overall economy, like it or not.

 

[Motorcharge]

Fuck severance for any of them. Most Americans don't get any kind of severance when they lose their jobs, why should Federal employees? Let them file unemployment and feel what everyone else feels when they get fired.

 

[AgitatedPancake]

Severance packages is the only way to make this stick IMO, when it comes to the long game. Get people to settle down without getting too up in arms long enough for the new changes to take root

 

[east_beast]

Fuck severance for any of them. Most Americans don't get any kind of severance when they lose their jobs, why should Federal employees? Let them file unemployment and feel what everyone else feels when they get fired.

That would be disastrous. It's not worth causing a disaster to get some sense of vengeance. It's about being pragmatic and actually trying to fix shit and not just break it because breaking stuff feels good.

 

[Motorcharge]

That would be disastrous. It's not worth causing a disaster to get some sense of vengeance. It's about being pragmatic and actually trying to fix shit and not just break it because breaking stuff feels good.

Then fire them in batches as needed instead of just a flat 50% to fire 50%. If they're going to get paid with our tax dollars I'd much rather they be working than paying them to look for a new job. It has fuckall to do with vengeance. I just don't want to see them getting special treatment where you or I wouldn't.

 

[AgitatedPancake]

Then fire them in batches as needed instead of just a flat 50% to fire 50%. If they're going to get paid with our tax dollars I'd much rather they be working than paying them to look for a new job. It has fuckall to do with vengeance. I just don't want to see them getting special treatment where you or I wouldn't.

The catch is severance could take the fangs out of dissenting arguements that could slow things down. If the fed employees are taken care of as departments get cut, the counter arguments will be limited to reasons the agency should have existed, instead of arguing "Oh the humanity" of kicking people to the curb. Shifts the focus to what really matters, and keep support of the masses along the way.

 

[east_beast]

Then fire them in batches as needed instead of just a flat 50% to fire 50%. If they're going to get paid with our tax dollars I'd much rather they be working than paying them to look for a new job. It has fuckall to do with vengeance. I just don't want to see them getting special treatment where you or I wouldn't.

It's more about the greater good. If you just cut them lose with no severance you're going to immediately take a lot of consumer spending out of the economy while at the same time flooding the labor market and driving wages down due to the flood in supply of labor. You're going to cause a massive recession. Mass layoffs with nice severance package seems to be the most logical compromise. You have to do this in a way that's not going to break the economy or you're going to hand the Dems every available seat in the mid-term elections and then you're not going to be able to get shit done in the second half of the term. Vivek is right. You have to move FAST and you have to do it in a way that isn't going to cause massive economic disruption. They have the mandate now. They may not have it in two years. If they can fix the border and reign in the government bureaucracy while keeping all these war hawks Trump has appointed from starting a war with Iran or China then this will be a massive win for America. Here's to hoping.