Tourist submarine exploring Titanic wreckage disappears in Atlantic Ocean

[Levigarrett76]

This. Bolted shut from the outside with no way to get out from inside is incredibly stupid.

Learning from Tragedy: Apollo 1 Fire

Following the Apollo 1 fire, James Webb, the administrator of NASA, asked President Johnson to conduct an investigation of the tragedy. Johnson agreed and an independent review board was convened. Among the six factors found to contribute to the Apollo 1 fire, one was the lack of a quickly...

airandspace.si.edu

 

[east_beast]

David Lochridge: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

David Lochridge was the former director of Marine Operations at OceanGate who says he was fired by the company after raising safety concerns about the "Titan" submersible that later went missing with five people on board.

heavy.com

Just imagine. You hear of this project and you're like "Oh wow. That's really cool and seems right up my alley. I think I could help them out and make good money in the process. Sweet!" But then it quickly turns into "Oh fuck, these people are dangerously idiotic and they're gonna get people killed and setback any potential similar future projects." You bring up your concerns, get fired, likely try to raise the alarms elsewhere and get dismissed as a disgruntled former employee. Just ugh.

 

[posford]

He's going to be a consultant on the movie FOR SURE, if he doesn't write his own book,

Book will be titled Atodaso

 

[Deuce 40s]

The biggest difference, besides getting there, is that the vacuum of space is only 1 atmosphere (-15psi). The Titanic is at +5000 psi. Obviously it's more complicated than that but, there's a huge difference in structural requirements.

From my understanding, the vacuum of space is an order of magnitude 10^20 less than sea level atmospheric pressure. Where these guys are at is about 10^3 levels of magnitude greater than sea level.

 

[westracing01]

We know more about the surface of other planets than we do about the bottom of the Ocean on our own. There's an entire, almost completely alien world right here on Earth.

 

[Bacho]

Just imagine. You hear of this project and you're like "Oh wow. That's really cool and seems right up my alley. I think I could help them out and make good money in the process. Sweet!" But then it quickly turns into "Oh fuck, these people are dangerously idiotic and they're gonna get people killed and setback any potential similar future projects." You bring up your concerns, get fired, likely try to raise the alarms elsewhere and get dismissed as a disgruntled former employee. Just ugh.

There are of course, two sides to every story.


This is an interesting read. There is a documentary on Netflix about its dives.

Inside the daring mission to reach the bottom of all Earth’s oceans

Victor Vescovo wanted to be the first person to reach the deepest points of all five oceans – but first he had to build a submarine that was up to it

www.wired.co.uk

 

[Void_of_Light]

I just looked up Alvin the sub that found the Titanic. Its still kicking and has over 5000 dives under its belt. It's rated for something like 4 miles deep.

No idea where it's at currently but I doubt it can get back to the titanic in time.

HOV Alvin - Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

Since its launch in 1964, Alvin has taken more than 3,000 scientists, engineers, and observers to the deep sea, including visits to the Titanic and the discovery of hydrothermal vents.

www.whoi.edu

 

[PAE]

Woods hole Mass.

DSV Alvin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

HOV Alvin - Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

Since its launch in 1964, Alvin has taken more than 3,000 scientists, engineers, and observers to the deep sea, including visits to the Titanic and the discovery of hydrothermal vents.

www.whoi.edu

I just looked up Alvin the sub that found the Titanic. Its still kicking and has over 5000 dives under its belt. It's rated for something like 4 miles deep.

No idea where it's at currently but I doubt it can get back to the titanic in time.

HOV Alvin - Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

Since its launch in 1964, Alvin has taken more than 3,000 scientists, engineers, and observers to the deep sea, including visits to the Titanic and the discovery of hydrothermal vents.

www.whoi.edu

 

[plym49.2]

There are of course, two sides to every story.


This is an interesting read. There is a documentary on Netflix about its dives.

Inside the daring mission to reach the bottom of all Earth’s oceans

Victor Vescovo wanted to be the first person to reach the deepest points of all five oceans – but first he had to build a submarine that was up to it

www.wired.co.uk

And, of course, Netflix is the gold standard for peer reviewed and methodologically correct analysis.

 

[Mikel]

I just looked up Alvin the sub that found the Titanic. Its still kicking and has over 5000 dives under its belt. It's rated for something like 4 miles deep.

No idea where it's at currently but I doubt it can get back to the titanic in time.

HOV Alvin - Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

Since its launch in 1964, Alvin has taken more than 3,000 scientists, engineers, and observers to the deep sea, including visits to the Titanic and the discovery of hydrothermal vents.

www.whoi.edu

That sub is sixty years old. IIRC it was used in looking for the lost H-bombs at Palomares in the 60s.

 

[CJF]

And, of course, Netflix is the gold standard for peer reviewed and methodologically correct analysis.

So read the article.

 

[DMG]

The worst part about this isn't the five bodies and the massive waste of money.

It's that for the next 40yr the clipboard and safety vest types will say something that should earn them a 12ga slug between the eyes and then use this to back it up as an example.

I don’t know. There are a shitload of real red flags here that should not be duplicated.

 

[Southernfriedcj8]

 

[arse_sidewards]

We know more about the surface of other planets than we do about the bottom of the Ocean on our own. There's an entire, almost completely alien world right here on Earth.

That's a very, very misleading statement.

We know very different things about each.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Just imagine. You hear of this project and you're like "Oh wow. That's really cool and seems right up my alley. I think I could help them out and make good money in the process. Sweet!" But then it quickly turns into "Oh fuck, these people are dangerously idiotic and they're gonna get people killed and setback any potential similar future projects." You bring up your concerns, get fired, likely try to raise the alarms elsewhere and get dismissed as a disgruntled former employee. Just ugh.

There are an order of magnitude Jimmy Numbers type "they shouldn't let that thing leave the shop without X" type whiners than there are legitimate whistle blowers.

No shit people get dismissed unless they have credible evidence beyond "here's some emails showing that these people didn't make subjective judgement calls as conservatively as I would have" with them.

 

[east_beast]

There are of course, two sides to every story.


This is an interesting read. There is a documentary on Netflix about its dives.

Inside the daring mission to reach the bottom of all Earth’s oceans

Victor Vescovo wanted to be the first person to reach the deepest points of all five oceans – but first he had to build a submarine that was up to it

www.wired.co.uk

Well, considering it looks almost certain to turn into a 12,000 foot deep underwater tomb for five people I'd say that's pretty much checkmate for the other side of the story.

 

[lpukas2]

 

[Void_of_Light]

Woods hole Mass.

DSV Alvin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

HOV Alvin - Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

Since its launch in 1964, Alvin has taken more than 3,000 scientists, engineers, and observers to the deep sea, including visits to the Titanic and the discovery of hydrothermal vents.

www.whoi.edu

That's where the institute that owns it is, but I doubt it spends much time there. It could be anywhere in the world.

 

[westracing01]

That's a very, very misleading statement.

We know very different things about each.

Fair enough. Statement was intended to be broad and it's a statement made by countless before me. Still, for context, neither of us are wrong.

Do we really know more about space than the deep ocean?

There's still a lot we don't know about the world. A thousand years ago, we thought we could literally sail off the edge of the planet. Good thing we're quick learners. But while space may be the final frontier, the ocean may be the greater mystery.

science.howstuffworks.com

 

[Tin Roof]

Even if they are still alive, the inside of that thing has to smell like bigfoot's dick by now.

 

[CrustyJeep]

From my understanding, the vacuum of space is an order of magnitude 10^20 less than sea level atmospheric pressure. Where these guys are at is about 10^3 levels of magnitude greater than sea level.

You're using the maths wrong. Space is indeed only -1 atmosphere, and it really is that simple.

 

[arse_sidewards]

and it's a statement made by countless before me.

Oh I know. I'm just pointing out that it's pure marketing wank.

 

[DMG]

Even if they are still alive, the inside of that thing has to smell like bigfoot's dick by now.

How do you know?

 

[westracing01]

Oh I know. I'm just pointing out that it's pure marketing wank.

I do work for a Consumer Products Company... Despite my best efforts, marketing drivel does spill over into day to day conversation every now and then.

 

[87manche]

starts at 48 minutes in.

 

[Ksand]

So.... If you were concerned on Oxygen, would you go ahead and Clinton the weakest one or would it be the biggest one, because he is using more O2??

I mean the bigger one would require more initial energy to take out, but would it be worth the exsertion>

You take out who is panicking the most. Scared people breathe faster and use more oxygen

 

[PAE]

You seem to be correct alright.

Alvin, aboard the Navy tender ship Lulu, was lost as it was being transported on 16 October 1968.

That's where the institute that owns it is, but I doubt it spends much time there. It could be anywhere in the world.

 

[Thefishguy77]

That's a very, very misleading statement.

We know very different things about each.

It’s not as misleading as you make it out to be. Virtually everything we know about the ocean is 300’ and above. At least with planets we observe them at no expense spared. With the ocean its about convenience.

 

[Rooney77]

I bet they are out of oxygen already. 5 panicked folks trapped in a tube 12k ft down. There's gonna be some stressed breathing, arguing and certainly not oxygen conservation.

 

[Void_of_Light]

You seem to be correct alright.

Alvin, aboard the Navy tender ship Lulu, was lost as it was being transported on 16 October 1968.

Its support ship Atlantis was off the coast of Norway 14 hours ago according to marine tracker.

that's 3000 miles away, might be able to make it in time to recover the bodies.