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Doesn't matter if one believes climate change or not. If we're censored from having a discussion about it where theories are challenged and "facts"have to be vetted, we'll probably get it wrong.

I can't say what impact humans have on climate control because every study that has been done on global temperature has either been corrupted by assholes skewing/deliberately changing the data trying to make it seem worse than it really is, or been somehow incompetently bungled in the way readings and measurements were collected. There's no good data out there, so despite the fact that I'm sure us humans have some negative impact with our CO2 emissions, I can't really say how much because the discussion has been tainted by dishonestly and incompetence. I only learned that from clashing with folks on the old site, and being forced to dig deeper into what I thought were legitimate studies to prove a point to them, only to find that, yup, there's not a single study on climate change out there that is unbiased or without some sort of mistake/data corruption that invalidates the whole thing.

Aaaand that's why censorship is a bad thing.

Next thing you guys are gonna tell me is there's no santa claus. :flipoff2:
 
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Landslide said:
One thing that would help our global warming and over population is for you to do yourself in, just think how much better the planet would be with less of you. Now, go awn, git with it already.
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National Lampoon: Lemmings, a spinoff of the humor magazine National Lampoon, was a 1973 stage show that helped launch the performing careers of John Belushi, Christopher Guest, and Chevy Chase.[1][2] The show was co-written and co-directed by a number of people including Sean Kelly. The show opened at The Village Gate on January 25, 1973, and ran for 350 performances.

The songs from the show were subsequently issued as a record album. A video of one of the original performances, National Lampoon: Lemmings: Dead in Concert 1973, was eventually made available several decades later.

he first half of the show was sketch comedy; the second half was a mock rock festival, "Woodshuck: Three Days of Peace, Love and Death", a parody of "Woodstock: Three Days of Peace and Music." "Woodshuck" featured spoofs of Woodstock performers, including Joe Cocker and Joan Baez, as well as parodies of John Denver, Bob Dylan and James Taylor, plus songs performed by fictional groups (e.g., the "Motown Manifestoes" singing "Papa was a Running Dog Lackey of the Bourgeoisie").

Acts[edit]​

  • Welcome to the Woodshuck Festival: Three Days of Peace, Love, and Death; plus band introductions throughout - John Belushi
  • Freud, Marx, Engels, and Jung, performing "Lemmings Lament." - A parody of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, and the songs "Woodstock", "Long Time Gone", and others. (Also referred to in performance as Freud, Pavlov, Adler, and Jung)
  • Bob Dylan, performing "Positively Wall Street," a parody of several of his styles, with the title taken from "Positively 4th Street" - Christopher Guest
  • Goldie Oldie, a parody of old, 1950s-style performers, performing "Pizza Man," a parody of the "teen tragedy" songs - Alice Playten
  • John Denver, performing "Colorado" - Chevy Chase
  • Joan Baez, performing "Pull the Triggers, ******s," a parody of her protest songs and of Dylan's song "George Jackson," in particular. Listed on the album cover as "Pull the Tregroes, Negroes." - Mary Jenifer Mitchell (later replaced by Rhonda Coullet)
  • Joe Cocker, "Lonely at the Bottom" - Belushi as Cocker, Paul Jacobs as Leon Russell on piano.
  • James Taylor, "Highway Toes," a parody of his heroin abuse - Christopher Guest
  • Motown Manifestoes singing "Papa was a Running Dog Lackey of the Bourgeoisie" (parody of "Papa Was a Rollin' Stone"), with most of its lines taken from The Communist Manifesto.
  • Donovan, "Nirvana Banana" - Peter Elbling (later addition to the show).
  • Joni Mitchell, "I Do for You" - Alice Playten (replaced by Rhonda Coullet).
  • Farmer Yassir (parody of Max Yasgur, owner of the land on which Woodstock was held), greeting the audience - Gary Goodrow
  • Megadeath, a parody of heavy metal groups, who end their act by turning the amps so loud that the audience dies.
  • "Jackie Christ, Superstar." Parody of "Jesus Christ, Superstar." Jesus is a stand-up comedian, while John Belushi played King Herod.
  • "Deteriorata." A Tony Hendra parody of Les Crane's recording of "Desiderata."
  • "Defeat Day" - a parody of America's first military defeat in the Vietnam War. "Put all your troubles in a nickel bag and smile, smile, smile."
  • The Rolling Stones Parody, with Alice Playten playing "Mick Jagger."

 
arse_sidewards said:
Exactly. The climate is probably changing and it's probably somewhat humans fault but I'll do a lot of terrible things to prevent the people who think the solution is to give all the power to a few from getting their way. The solutions being proposed are just authoritarianism that's been green-washed.
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Feexerded.

Humans in the past and currently in most 3rd world shitholes have polluted on a scale we here in the western world have never thought of.

Until China and India clean up their act the rest of the developed world could be 0 emissions and it wouldn't change shit.
 
45acp said:
I would take the green movement more seriously, if they were actually going after gross polluter countries. Hell, if they even at least spoke out against gross polluter countries. But they don't. They focus all their rage on the relatively clean western nations.
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Same reason the ATF and DEA will happily go after suburban white guys but wouldn't dare kick down a door in a shitty part of baltimore where the guy they're after might mistake them for a rival and dump his xtendo clip in their direction.

The leftist greenies wouldn't dare risk china cutting them off (or taxing) their upper class peak consumerism lifestyle.
 
DWT said:
Humans in the past and currently in most 3rd world shitholes have polluted on a scale we here in the western world have never thought of.

Until China and India clean up their act the rest of the developed world could be 0 emissions and it wouldn't change shit.
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Exactly.

Hey, let's ban plastic straws. There's maybe 7 plastic straws in the ocean from the US.

Meanwhile, there's a trash pile floating around out there the size of Texas that absolutely did not come from western civilization. There's a purple river in China. Can't even walk on the beach in Indonesia because it's solid garbage.
 
bigun said:
I wonder if he realizes an early form was tried by the colonists on the Mayflower? One of the reasons they damn near starved to death was, why work when your going to get an equal share no matter how little you contribute. The first Thanksgiving was to celebrate paying off the creditors not the good harvest as taught in school, and they only did that by making everyone responsible for themselves not dependent an the state
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Yup. The colony was set up as a commune... With predictable results, almost starving that winter. The following year everyone worked for their own profit, and the rest is history.
 
DWT said:
Feexerded.

Humans in the past and currently in most 3rd world shitholes have polluted on a scale we here in the western world have never thought of.

Until China and India clean up their act the rest of the developed world could be 0 emissions and it wouldn't change shit.
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well yeah, we just export all our pollution over there, then burn a bunch of bunker fuel shipping the finished products back over here
 
we pay to have our shit recycled, it gets dumped into the ocean and then we pay to clean that up too.
 
45acp said:
Exactly.

Hey, let's ban plastic straws. There's maybe 7 plastic straws in the ocean from the US.

Meanwhile, there's a trash pile floating around out there the size of Texas that absolutely did not come from western civilization. There's a purple river in China. Can't even walk on the beach in Indonesia because it's solid garbage.
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Its funny how we think our environmental restrictions make the world a better place. All we and the rest of the first world do is export that pollution to to the third world and developing world where it's WAY fucking worse than it would be here. We put so many restrictions on manufacturing, etc. that it becomes financially infeasible to do it here then we export it all and it happens in China or Indonesia with absolutely zero fucks given about environmental concerns, worker safety, or anything else.
 
45acp said:
Exactly.

Hey, let's ban plastic straws. There's maybe 7 plastic straws in the ocean from the US.

Meanwhile, there's a trash pile floating around out there the size of Texas that absolutely did not come from western civilization. There's a purple river in China. Can't even walk on the beach in Indonesia because it's solid garbage.
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I get your sentiment, but let's not pretend that trash from the US doesn't exist in the ocean. I spend a lot of time in the pacific ocean and there is plenty of trash from us there. How do I know? Because it's all fresh McDonalds(why is it always mcdonalds? I don't know. Sure there are plastic bags, and random other things as well, but mostly mcdonalds) wrappers, straws, cups, etc floating around out there. Maybe it's just because I live in a touristy town that has wind? Either way, it happens and people are gross.

My buddies and I try to make sure we leave the beach with 3 pieces of trash each every time we go. That's pretty easy to do most days.

Is it comparable to the nastiness coming out of china? Nope. But we should be doing our part not to litter. We shouldn't need a ban on straws, or mc donalds wrappers or anything else to keep our chit clean, but it turns out that as W.C. Fields once said- "People are no damn good." I don't thing bans are working, but I also don't have a better plan of my own.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
I get your sentiment, but let's not pretend that trash from the US doesn't exist in the ocean. I spend a lot of time in the pacific ocean and there is plenty of trash from us there. How do I know? Because it's all fresh McDonalds(why is it always mcdonalds? I don't know. Sure there are plastic bags, and random other things as well, but mostly mcdonalds) wrappers, straws, cups, etc floating around out there. Maybe it's just because I live in a touristy town that has wind? Either way, it happens and people are gross.

My buddies and I try to make sure we leave the beach with 3 pieces of trash each every time we go. That's pretty easy to do most days.

Is it comparable to the nastiness coming out of china? Nope. But we should be doing our part not to litter. We shouldn't need a ban on straws, or mc donalds wrappers or anything else to keep our chit clean, but it turns out that as W.C. Fields once said- "People are no damn good." I don't thing bans are working, but I also don't have a better plan of my own.
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Not to dismiss your post, because I personally despise litter of all forms, but what you're referencing... compared to the rest of the world... in the grand scheme of things, is like 0.002% of the problem.

Yea, I really wish assholes would stop throwing trash out. But that pales in comparison of China being China and doing China shit. (thats just one glossed over example of many)
 
45acp said:
Not to dismiss your post, because I personally despise litter of all forms, but what you're referencing... compared to the rest of the world... in the grand scheme of things, is like 0.002% of the problem.

Yea, I really wish assholes would stop throwing trash out. But that pales in comparison of China being China and doing China shit. (thats just one glossed over example of many)
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China does suck, but if my neighbor trashed his yard, I wouldn't decide that it's ok to let mine go a little bit just because theirs sucked.

I get it, there are virtuous environmentalist wannabes that advocate for only compostable containers while turning a blind eye to lithium mines for their prius, but that doesn't mean trying to cut back on disposable plastics anywhere we can is a bad thing. I've used paper straws, and they last longer than what I'm drinking. I don't go home feeling virtuous from drinking out of one, but I do smile inside knowing that someone somewhere is trying an alternative solution.

EVs, paper straws, reusable bags.. they all might not be the right solution, but they are people trying to find more sustainable ways of doing things than the status quo. Like all human ideas, some of it is going to be shit and not work, and others might flop but teach us a little more about the potential for doing things the right way. I don't think we should have laws that force us to use the shit ideas or someone's beta version of a good idea, but I do think it's worth it to incentivize those people to keep searching for a more sustainable way of doing things that can compete economically with our disposable economy.

On a side note- we ship a lot of our plastic waste to those other polluting countries (1.21 billion lbs of scrap plastic in 2021), so the US, with the largest economy in the world driving the largest consumer market in the word, making an effort to reduce its output, should make some sort of dent in the global issue.
 
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gt1guy said:
I'm sure with the sun heading towards solar maximum, they just want to get their ducks in a row so they can blame us humans for the rise in temps and not the gigantic ball of fire in the sky.

Those global warming idiots sure do hate the sun for some reason.:flipoff2:It's almost like solar cycles match up to warm periods in the earths history.
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But then that has nothing to do with temperature.

But hey. Fuck science. It’s summer, sir.
 
ev13wt said:
But then that has nothing to do with temperature.

But hey. Fuck science. It’s summer, sir.
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So the sun has nothing to do with the temperature here on earth? That's what you just said.


That feeling you're having right now, is you realizing just how fucking stupid you are.


You should be dissolved in acid.
 
gt1guy said:
So the sun has nothing to do with the temperature here on earth? That's what you just said.


That feeling you're having right now, is you realizing just how fucking stupid you are.


You should be dissolved in acid.
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He's mostly correct.

To quote NOAA:
Most of the energy from the Sun is emitted in the visible wavelengths (approximately 400 – 800 nanometers (nm)). The output from the sun in these wavelengths is nearly constant and changes by only one part in a thousand (0.1%) over the course of the 11-year solar cycle.
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So we wouldn't see much of a change there, but also to quote NOAA:
The duration of solar minimum may also have an impact on Earth's climate. During solar minimum there is a maximum in the amount of Cosmic rays, high energy particles whose source is outside our Solar system, reaching earth. There is a theory that cosmic rays can create nucleation sites in the atmosphere which seed cloud formation and create cloudier conditions. If this were true, then there would be a significant impact on climate, which would be modulated by the 11-year solar cycle.
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So there's a chance that during the solar minimum it gets cloudier.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
He's mostly correct.

To quote NOAA:


So we wouldn't see much of a change there, but also to quote NOAA:


So there's a chance that during the solar minimum it gets cloudier.
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May want to run this past people who live above the mason Dixon line… :flipoff2:

Farmers Almanac is much more accurate than the new “science.”
 
Sandy Johnson said:
He's mostly correct.

To quote NOAA:


So we wouldn't see much of a change there, but also to quote NOAA:


So there's a chance that during the solar minimum it gets cloudier.
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Don't care. He's still a fucktard who should be dissolved in acid.:flipoff2:

Turn off the sun and tell me what happens to the earth.
 
ev13wt said:
But then that has nothing to do with temperature.

But hey. Fuck science. It’s summer, sir.
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Hey dumb fuck. Read the IPCC6 and report back. Thats the most current one and says they have far undervalued the effects of the sun in regards to heating the earth. The science says the sun is the largest player in the warming of the earth. Holy shit your dumb.
 
clodhopper said:
Wait a good gosh darn minute there. I was assurred this stuff was "Settled Science". Where is this "theory" crap coming from?
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Far from it, but we can definitely measure light output from the sun.
rockota said:
May want to run this past people who live above the mason Dixon line… :flipoff2:

Farmers Almanac is much more accurate than the new “science.”
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Not gonna look this one up huh? What do you think is the main indicator for a "solar maximum"? Might want to start there. As an IT person, I thought you'd be more aware of the actual challenges that could arise from a solar maximum.

gt1guy said:
Don't care. He's still a fucktard who should be dissolved in acid.:flipoff2:

Turn off the sun and tell me what happens to the earth.
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See my response to rockota. The terms solar minimum and solar maximum doesn't have a lot to do with heat coming off the sun.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
The terms solar minimum and solar maximum doesn't have a lot to do with heat coming off the sun.
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Ok, the min/max wasn't the correct events to relate. I can admit being wrong. But the sun is still the absolute largest factor in heating the surface of the earth. Other than any heat from the core working it's way up through various ways, the sun is the only outside form of heating the earth sees.

He should still be dissolved in acid though. That never changes.:flipoff2:
 
gt1guy said:
Ok, the min/max wasn't the correct events to relate. I can admit being wrong. But the sun is still the absolute largest factor in heating the surface of the earth. Other than any heat from the core working it's way up through various ways, the sun is the only outside form of heating the earth sees.
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Fair enough. I don't think anyone with enough brain cells to rub together would dispute that the sun is what warms the earth.

Now for some interesting info- we've been able to track the solar maximums and minimums by the number and frequency of sunspots that appear on the sun's surface for a very long time. According to the data, the intensity of solar maximums have been on the downswing since the 50's. If solar maximums were a big driver behind global temps, then they should have been falling for the last 70 years.

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