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Shit Bull attack leaves 'Pit Bull' rescuer dead, female owner seriously injured.

east_beast said:
Savages.
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Reminds me of countless times I’ve checked in on our girls through the years. Now my oldest is out on her own with her own “Man eater“.

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Thefishguy77 said:
I have seen far more ankle biters be aggressive than pitbulls. That said I believe 90% of the problems on both sodes are owner related. Very much like kids.
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Bingo. Yeah, some kids and dogs are gonna be more difficult than others. The people who want to blame the breed shouldn't own the breed. They're not cut out for it. They probably like to blame something else for every problem they've ever encountered. It couldn't possibly be their fault.
 
A lot of pit owners probably aren't speaking the truth for liability purposes.

There I said it.

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A lot of bad pitbull owners out there. Most of them don't have a problem where the dog goes nuts and kills someone.
Why is that? I thought it's all about the owner, so if the owner is bad, why didn't all those dogs go bad?

Now flip it: There are good pitbull owners out there, and their dogs snapped and killed someone. Why is that, if it's all about the owner?

Hmmm....
 
Yota Up said:
A lot of bad pitbull owners out there. Most of them don't have a problem where the dog goes nuts and kills someone.
Why is that? I thought it's all about the owner, so if the owner is bad, why didn't all those dogs go bad?

Now flip it: There are good pitbull owners out there, and their dogs snapped and killed someone. Why is that, if it's all about the owner?

Hmmm....
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It's almost as if the world is nuanced and a lot more complicated than black or white.

There are some dogs of varying breeds that the typical "good owner" is going to struggle to control. My dog trainer in CO saw a lot of dogs on their last strike. They'd already bitten people and we're basically sent to him by the courts as a last resort before they were euthanized. He said the hands down most out of control, aggressive, vicious dog he ever encountered was a small female yellow lab. That was the only dog he encountered that in his opinion was just flat out unfixable and unmanageable.
 
for those who hate pits...

y'all realize that even if the breed was eliminated completely... y'all just move on to the next breed as being "the most dangerous," right? Eliminate that breed, etc... pretty soon you'll be complaining about poodles.
 
rockota said:
for those who hate pits...

y'all realize that even if the breed was eliminated completely... y'all just move on to the next breed as being "the most dangerous," right? Eliminate that breed, etc... pretty soon you'll be complaining about poodles.
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Lots of breeds have taken their time in the infamy spotlight. Rottweilers, GSDs, Dobermans, Chows, they've all had their time as the no-no breed of the day.
 
All dog breeds were bred for a purpose. Take them away from that purpose and you will have issues with them. It is a problem we created. It’s not the dogs fault. But if you have a dog that is prone to violent action outside the boundaries where it is warranted, then it’s up to you to do the right thing. There’s enough good dogs out there that need a home that there’s no reason to keep one that isn’t.
You want a better chance at getting a good dog? Get a mutt.
 
Also, there's the "a tired dog is a good dog" angle. Many people leave dogs locked in the house or yard all day and don't give them proper exercise.

Of course they're gonna be overflowing with energy and fuck shit up when they get the chance. :homer:

Just different breeds are capable of different levels of fucking shit up.
 
rockota said:
for those who hate pits...

y'all realize that even if the breed was eliminated completely... y'all just move on to the next breed as being "the most dangerous," right? Eliminate that breed, etc... pretty soon you'll be complaining about poodles.
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I don't hate pits.

What you say ignores one bit of truth, though. No other dog than the pitbull is capable of killing a grown abled man by itself. All other deaths of adult men by other breeds required more than one dog attacking. So there is that.
 
Yota Up said:
I don't hate pits.

What you say ignores one bit of truth, though. No other dog than the pitbull is capable of killing a grown abled man by itself. All other deaths of adult men by other breeds required more than one dog attacking. So there is that.
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You're out of your mind. I'd fight my pit waaaaaay before I'd fight my Rottie. I'd whip either's ass but I'd take damage from the Rottie.

Any able bodied adult man that gets himself killed by a single dog is an idiot who doesn't understand that a dog only had one way to seriously hurt you. It's almost unheard of for an able bodied adult man to be killed by a single dog. Virtually all dog killings involve young children, elderly, and/or multiple dogs. Most involve multiple dogs.
 
east_beast said:
You're out of your mind. I'd fight my pit waaaaaay before I'd fight my Rottie. I'd whip either's ass but I'd take damage from the Rottie.

Any able bodied adult man that gets himself killed by a single dog is an idiot who doesn't understand that a dog only had one way to seriously hurt you. It's almost unheard of for an able bodied adult man to be killed by a single dog. Virtually all dog killings involve young children, elderly, and/or multiple dogs. Most involve multiple dogs.
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That's why the ONLY time it happens is with a pit.
I'm not out of my mind, you're talking out your ass. I did my homework, now do yours and come back if you got something to say that goes against my claim.
 
Yota Up said:
That's why the ONLY time it happens is with a pit.
I'm not out of my mind, you're talking out your ass. I did my homework, now do yours and come back if you got something to say that goes against my claim.
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What I'm saying is that it's such a small percentage of cases where that has happened that it's not even statistically relevant. Now, go do your homework on what that means.
 
Yota Up said:
That's why the ONLY time it happens is with a pit.
I'm not out of my mind, you're talking out your ass. I did my homework, now do yours and come back if you got something to say that goes against my claim.
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apparently, you haven't watched Cujo. :flipoff2:
 
grapehead said:
Also, there's the "a tired dog is a good dog" angle. Many people leave dogs locked in the house or yard all day and don't give them proper exercise.
Of course they're gonna be overflowing with energy and fuck shit up when they get the chance. :homer:
Just different breeds are capable of different levels of fucking shit up.
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We have a friend with a Golden Retriever and we were watching it for a few days.
It took that dog running alongside the golf cart doing laps around the back field for 15-20 minutes with the pedal to the floor (the dog was running faster than the golf cart the whole time) 3-4 times a day to tire it out enough that it would lay down and take a nap when we got back to the house.
They complain that it wont listen for training, but from what we saw it just needs to get its energy burned off before trying to train it.

Aaron Z
 
Yota Up said:
No other dog than the pitbull is capable of killing a grown abled man by itself.
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:homer:

Rottweiler
Bull Mastiff
A few other Mastiff breeds
A few Wolfhound breeds
German Shepherd
Wolf-Husky crossbreeds
And maybe a few Newfoundlands

EDIT: and I would not want to fuck with a 220 lb Caucasian Shepherd (Russian Bear Dog).
Scary level of martial capability, and not an ounce of give-up in 'em.
I'd rather fight a pitte.
 
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ExWrench said:
:homer:

Rottweiler
Bull Mastiff
A few other Mastiff breeds
A few Wolfhound breeds
German Shepherd
Wolf-Husky crossbreeds
And maybe a few Newfoundlands
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Any full sized dog really. Just have to get them on the ground. At that point a dog is just to damn fast. I had a 110 lbs lab golden mix that was skinny and fucking steong as an oxen. We liked to play hard when he was a pup and a few times when he would jump up and put his front paws on my shoulders it was humbling. I realized that if he hit me like that at speed I was going on the ground hard. At that point your down and your fucked. But yea only pitbulls. Some people are just biased against a breed for what ever reason. As a kid I remember when dobermans were the man eaters.
 
Yota Up said:
That's why the ONLY time it happens is with a pit.
I'm not out of my mind, you're talking out your ass. I did my homework, now do yours and come back if you got something to say that goes against my claim.
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You do realize the press reports shit for ratings correct? Pit vs kid gets ratings.

Pits are also a very high energy usually very intelligent dog. That can be a dangerous combination when paired with a bad owner. Most of the pit attacks I hear about are from more than 1 pit. If you have ever seen dogs dog then you know that one dog, breed doesn’t matter gets excited, and at that point all but the well trained dogs get excited as well. I honestly think your experience with dogs is probably very limited to certain breeds and well trained dogs. I have been around plenty of people’s shitty trained dogs and they “mock charge” for lack of a better term. If you stand your ground 99% of the time they back off. If you step back and show fear they push. Screaming just escalates it rapidly. And yea I have been around puts who mock charged. It’s a different experience for sure but stand your ground and they back down most of the time.

Also exercise your fucking dog people. Letting them be outside in a fenced yard is not exercising it. Walk your dog, work your dog and socialize your dog. And then after that run it into the ground. Not only will you have a better dog but you will have a dog that is both physically and mentally exhausted. And most of all happy.
 
Thefishguy77 said:
Any full sized dog really. Just have to get them on the ground. At that point a dog is just to damn fast. I had a 110 lbs lab golden mix that was skinny and fucking steong as an oxen. We liked to play hard when he was a pup and a few times when he would jump up and put his front paws on my shoulders it was humbling. I realized that if he hit me like that at speed I was going on the ground hard. At that point your down and your fucked. But yea only pitbulls. Some people are just biased against a breed for what ever reason. As a kid I remember when dobermans were the man eaters.
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Agreed. I once wrestled a Standard Poodle (for fun), and it took all my strength to keep up with him.
Once you're on the ground, you're close to fooked.

Best chances are to attack a charging dog at first contact (assuming frontal attack, most likely and most lucky). If no tool is at hand, shove the fist or forearm you're willing to sacrifice as far into its mouth/throat as possible. Dogs will rarely release from a good bite, and that leverage allows you to keep their throat exposed (otherwise, most dogs worth a shit will protect their throats). Then focus on collapsing its throat with the express purpose of killing it. If the dog passes out & you don't have to kill it, that's the best outcome.

I hope to never need to kill a dog (except mercy killing, completely different matter) but that^ is the best method I know of to survive a life/death dog attack absent a weapon. If multiple-dog attack & I have no weapons at-hand, I'd put my money on the dogs :frown:
 
My neighbor has a couple dogs. Not pit bulls. Two different breeds. One of them has been known to wrestle the other one to the ground and hold it down in a choke hold, sometimes for long periods of time, to the point of making the other dog scream and bleed. For no apparent reason. When this isn't going on, they get along just fine, like old friends. No apparent issue at all. They had a third, completely different dog, and it got the choke treatment, too, so they got rid of it. They got rid of the wrong dog.

The point is, dogs are like people. Most are pretty stable and normal, but then there's the spawny's of the world. Pit bull, poodle, whatever, some just aren't right in the head. And like spawny, they really just need to be put down.
 
ExWrench said:
:homer:

Rottweiler
Bull Mastiff
A few other Mastiff breeds
A few Wolfhound breeds
German Shepherd
Wolf-Husky crossbreeds
And maybe a few Newfoundlands

EDIT: and I would not want to fuck with a 220 lb Caucasian Shepherd (Russian Bear Dog).
Scary level of martial capability, and not an ounce of give-up in 'em.
I'd rather fight a pitte.
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Prove it. Just one. Show me one single news report of it happening....ever.
Go.
 
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