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Weakening Russia doesn't seem to be working.... Except for more sales.

We've been hearing about Russia "as a threat" in little sideways "news' propaganda for no reason for 15 FUCKING YEARS out of nowhere. In little side news radio/TV, they'd slip it in, when NOTHING was going on.
Russia is struggling mightily against a far smaller, weaker neighbor. If Russia was what we were being sold, they would've steamrolled through Kyiv in a month or less. The media and powers that be have been speaking out of both sides of their mouth this whole time.

"We have to stop Russia in Ukraine or they'll blitzkrieg their way through Europe like Hitler." At the same time they talk about Russia's incompetence and mock them for their struggles in Ukraine. Both can't be true at the same time.

Then they say "Putin is irrational! He's insane!" while at the same time completely laughing off the possibility of him using nukes. Both can't be true at the same time.
 
Russia is struggling mightily against a far smaller, weaker neighbor. If Russia was what we were being sold, they would've steamrolled through Kyiv in a month or less. The media and powers that be have been speaking out of both sides of their mouth this whole time.

"We have to stop Russia in Ukraine or they'll blitzkrieg their way through Europe like Hitler." At the same time they talk about Russia's incompetence and mock them for their struggles in Ukraine. Both can't be true at the same time.

Then they say "Putin is irrational! He's insane!" while at the same time completely laughing off the possibility of him using nukes. Both can't be true at the same time.


What you need to keep in mind here, is that the Western media is full of shit, it's not news.

Second is what you were lead to believe what Russia's goals were.

What is Russia goal?

Pretty sure it wasn't to take over Ukraine. Or kill civilians (like Ukraine did before the "invasion").

So, what's the goal you think?


It's a land bridge to Crimea (which they owned before 2014) and protecting their cultural siblings that were put on notice to die (?) .

Black Sea access is BIG, baby!
 
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What you need to keep in mind here, is that the Western media is full of shit, it's not news.

Second is what you were lead to believe what Russia's goals were.

What is Russia goal?

Pretty sure it wasn't to take over Ukraine. Or kill civilians (like Ukraine did before the "invasion").

So, what's the goal you think?


It's a land bridge to Crimea (which they owned before 2014) and protecting their cultural siblings that were put on notice to die (?) .

Black Sea access is BIG, baby!
If you think anything you're reading from the media about an active war is "news" you're as gullible as they come. You haven't really shown yourself to be much different than CNN on this thing. You're just the Moscow version of CNN.
 
Black Sea access is BIG, baby!
The have access to the Black Sea without Crimea. The Ukraine military has taken huge looses this week. They lost more men and equipment in the Liman front than Bakmut. The Russian airforce now is in play Ukraines air defense is nowhere to be seen. Russian Army units now are hunting the Leopard because after all no one want to be the last to destroy one of those tanks.
 
If you think anything you're reading from the media about an active war is "news" you're as gullible as they come. You haven't really shown yourself to be much different than CNN on this thing. You're just the Moscow version of CNN.

You're kidding, right?

I hope you are, or you're showing flippant ignorance.
 
The have access to the Black Sea without Crimea. The Ukraine military has taken huge looses this week. They lost more men and equipment in the Liman front than Bakmut. The Russian airforce now is in play Ukraines air defense is nowhere to be seen. Russian Army units now are hunting the Leopard because after all no one want to be the last to destroy one of those tanks.

Yes, it's true, they've had access to the Black Sea. It really wasn't the MAIN issue.
 
The have access to the Black Sea without Crimea. The Ukraine military has taken huge looses this week. They lost more men and equipment in the Liman front than Bakmut. The Russian airforce now is in play Ukraines air defense is nowhere to be seen. Russian Army units now are hunting the Leopard because after all no one want to be the last to destroy one of those tanks.

These tanks are deployed and in combat regions ? Show me. :confused:

Surely there is a pic of a destroyed one on Tik Tok and the CCP has its serial number and shit by now.
 
Waiting for the Spring thaw; then....













The breakout!!1!
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Ukraine: Why has Russia's 64km convoy near Kyiv stopped moving?​

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      3 March 2022
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WATCH: 3D model shows extent of Russian military convoy
Russia's huge military convoy, said to be 40 miles (64km) long, near Ukraine's capital Kyiv has hardly moved in three days, the UK defence ministry says.
But US defence officials say Russia still intends to surround and seize the city where some three million people live - by siege tactics if necessary.
Recent satellite images showing the size of the convoy sparked fears that an attack would be imminent.
But UK and US officials say logistical problems could be slowing the advance.
In an intelligence update on Thursday morning, the UK Ministry of Defence said the column had made "little discernible progress in over three days" and remains more than 30km from Kyiv.

Why has the convoy stalled?​

Several reasons could explain why the huge column, which includes armoured vehicles, tanks, and towed artillery, has stopped its advance on the capital. They include logistical problems, unexpected Ukrainian resistance, and low morale among Russian troops.

Mechanical breakdown and congestion are causing problems, according to the UK government. Food and fuel are said to be in short supply, and there are reports that poor quality and badly maintained tyres may also be an issue.
"There's a massive logistical failure to provide fuel, food, spare parts and tyres... they got stuck in the mud in a way that makes it difficult to move vehicles out," General Sir Richard Barrons, former Commander of the UK Joint Forces Command, told BBC Radio 4's Today Programme.
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However, he said that command and control issues - for example faulty radio networks and communicating on open networks - are likely to be causing bigger problems.
The Pentagon also said Russia was having logistical issues and had taken the decision to deliberately regroup and reassess the "progress they have not made and how to make up the lost time".
Ukrainian resistance is also thought to be hampering the progress of the convoy, according to the Pentagon, although it noted that it could not fully independently verify that claim.
The stronger-than-expected Ukrainian resistance could also be impacting on Russian morale - another reason given for the convoy's lack of movement.

"The overall morale of people sitting in this convoy is going down every day," Oleksandr Danylyuk, a former Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council for Ukraine told the BBC, comparing that with the strong motivation of the Ukrainian military to defend its capital.
On Tuesday, a US defence official told reporters that there were signs of morale problems in the Russian force, which makes use of a large number of conscript soldiers.
"Not all of them were... even aware that they were going to be sent into a combat operation," the official said.
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Could the convoy be destroyed?​

Ukraine does have some air capability, and has been using powerful Turkish-made drones to destroy other Russian convoys. But according to Gen Barrons, Kyiv simply does not have the military force necessary to destroy a column of this size.
"They've been good at attacking the convoy from the front and sides," he said, but any damage inflicted from the air would be too localised.
Russia will also have air defences around the convoy which could bring down Ukrainian targets, Gen Barrons added. So an air attack on the convoy would risk losing more of Ukraine's already limited air force.

Some commentators have suggested that Nato should consider destroying the convoy, but that would be a major escalation which would risk war between two nuclear powers.
Western governments have said repeatedly that they have no intention of getting directly involved in the conflict.
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Russia attacks Ukraine: More coverage​

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What will the convoy do next?​

Despite all the reported problems, the fact remains that a huge column of Russian military equipment is located to the north of Kyiv and at some point it is likely to advance.
"This enormous column...will encircle and lay siege to the capital," the former head of the British Army, General Lord Dannatt, told the BBC, adding that an attempt by the Russians to take Kyiv street by street would be hugely damaging.
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IMAGE SOURCE,REUTERS
Image caption,
In Irpin, close to Kyiv, residential buildings have been destroyed
And Gen Barrons said the convoy still contained a lot of military capability which could bring great harm to Kyiv.
He said the convoy was likely to become part of a force that would encircle Kyiv with a combination of artillery and infantry.
At that point, he said, the Russians would have two choices. Either issue an ultimatum to surrender, or recognise that the city would not give up and attack it in the same way they have in Ukraine's second city, Kharkiv.
For now the people of Kyiv can only watch and wait to see what the convoy does next.

Media caption,
Watch: Do Russia's attacks on
 
What you need to keep in mind here, is that the Western media is full of shit, it's not news.

Second is what you were lead to believe what Russia's goals were.

What is Russia goal?

Pretty sure it wasn't to take over Ukraine. Or kill civilians (like Ukraine did before the "invasion").

So, what's the goal you think?


It's a land bridge to Crimea (which they owned before 2014) and protecting their cultural siblings that were put on notice to die (?) .

Black Sea access is BIG, baby!

These tanks are deployed and in combat regions ? Show me. :confused:

Surely there is a pic of a destroyed one on Tik Tok and the CCP has its serial number and shit by now.
Didnt write that they found any yet or any has been destroyed. Just they are actively hunting them.
 
Broadcast by Putin from Kiev jus now :lmao::lmao::lmao:
Feel free to elaborate. They opened up their special military operation on the basis of recognizing and supporting the "sovereignty" of dontesk and lunesk or whatever those two eastern regions are called. In doing so they said they would weaken Ukraine from being aggressive against them.

Well, that's pretty much where the lines are and, what half?, of the population of Ukraine has fled and the other half has had significant disruptions to daily life.

Russia pretty much picked their spot for the winter and the conflict zones haven't moved for quite a while....I'm not saying Russia is happy with the way things have gone and such, but they've pretty well done what the opening goals were.

Live from Moscow by putin would be something like full russification of the region and the dismantling of all Ukraine. We are far from that
 

Ukraine: Why has Russia's 64km convoy near Kyiv stopped moving?​

    • Published
      3 March 2022
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Media caption,
WATCH: 3D model shows extent of Russian military convoy
Russia's huge military convoy, said to be 40 miles (64km) long, near Ukraine's capital Kyiv has hardly moved in three days, the UK defence ministry says.
But US defence officials say Russia still intends to surround and seize the city where some three million people live - by siege tactics if necessary.
Recent satellite images showing the size of the convoy sparked fears that an attack would be imminent.
But UK and US officials say logistical problems could be slowing the advance.
In an intelligence update on Thursday morning, the UK Ministry of Defence said the column had made "little discernible progress in over three days" and remains more than 30km from Kyiv.

Why has the convoy stalled?​

Several reasons could explain why the huge column, which includes armoured vehicles, tanks, and towed artillery, has stopped its advance on the capital. They include logistical problems, unexpected Ukrainian resistance, and low morale among Russian troops.

Mechanical breakdown and congestion are causing problems, according to the UK government. Food and fuel are said to be in short supply, and there are reports that poor quality and badly maintained tyres may also be an issue.
"There's a massive logistical failure to provide fuel, food, spare parts and tyres... they got stuck in the mud in a way that makes it difficult to move vehicles out," General Sir Richard Barrons, former Commander of the UK Joint Forces Command, told BBC Radio 4's Today Programme.
_123495100_56d59aa4-ebe6-4bd7-b95f-370eccc07a74.jpg

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However, he said that command and control issues - for example faulty radio networks and communicating on open networks - are likely to be causing bigger problems.
The Pentagon also said Russia was having logistical issues and had taken the decision to deliberately regroup and reassess the "progress they have not made and how to make up the lost time".
Ukrainian resistance is also thought to be hampering the progress of the convoy, according to the Pentagon, although it noted that it could not fully independently verify that claim.
The stronger-than-expected Ukrainian resistance could also be impacting on Russian morale - another reason given for the convoy's lack of movement.

"The overall morale of people sitting in this convoy is going down every day," Oleksandr Danylyuk, a former Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council for Ukraine told the BBC, comparing that with the strong motivation of the Ukrainian military to defend its capital.
On Tuesday, a US defence official told reporters that there were signs of morale problems in the Russian force, which makes use of a large number of conscript soldiers.
"Not all of them were... even aware that they were going to be sent into a combat operation," the official said.
5_ukraine_russian_control_areas_map_03_01_2x640-nc.png

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Could the convoy be destroyed?​

Ukraine does have some air capability, and has been using powerful Turkish-made drones to destroy other Russian convoys. But according to Gen Barrons, Kyiv simply does not have the military force necessary to destroy a column of this size.
"They've been good at attacking the convoy from the front and sides," he said, but any damage inflicted from the air would be too localised.
Russia will also have air defences around the convoy which could bring down Ukrainian targets, Gen Barrons added. So an air attack on the convoy would risk losing more of Ukraine's already limited air force.

Some commentators have suggested that Nato should consider destroying the convoy, but that would be a major escalation which would risk war between two nuclear powers.
Western governments have said repeatedly that they have no intention of getting directly involved in the conflict.
line

Russia attacks Ukraine: More coverage​

line

What will the convoy do next?​

Despite all the reported problems, the fact remains that a huge column of Russian military equipment is located to the north of Kyiv and at some point it is likely to advance.
"This enormous column...will encircle and lay siege to the capital," the former head of the British Army, General Lord Dannatt, told the BBC, adding that an attempt by the Russians to take Kyiv street by street would be hugely damaging.
_123485506_tv074284463.jpg
IMAGE SOURCE,REUTERS
Image caption,
In Irpin, close to Kyiv, residential buildings have been destroyed
And Gen Barrons said the convoy still contained a lot of military capability which could bring great harm to Kyiv.
He said the convoy was likely to become part of a force that would encircle Kyiv with a combination of artillery and infantry.
At that point, he said, the Russians would have two choices. Either issue an ultimatum to surrender, or recognise that the city would not give up and attack it in the same way they have in Ukraine's second city, Kharkiv.
For now the people of Kyiv can only watch and wait to see what the convoy does next.

Media caption,
Watch: Do Russia's attacks on
Yeah, 1 year ago this month. What has happened since? Well, turns out they didn't surround and seige kyiv. :homer:

Nope, whole 40 miles just disappeared into the dust. Poof, magic show.

Such a massive convoy by any nation would be comical
 
Didnt write that they found any yet or any has been destroyed. Just they are actively hunting them.

They cant hunt them if they are not there. :confused: :idea:

EDIT: well I guess they can but . . . . . .. :lmao:
 
Our clownword airfoce is complaining what Russia did to the drone is "environmentally unsound"
 
Our clownword airfoce is complaining what Russia did to the drone is "environmentally unsound"
Technically correct. Dumping a drone filled with fuel and li-ion batteries is definitely not good environmental practice. Neither is blowing up a gas pipeline.

Do the Russians at least get credit for recovering the drone (and all associated technology?)
 
Technically correct. Dumping a drone filled with fuel and li-ion batteries is definitely not good environmental practice. Neither is blowing up a gas pipeline.

Do the Russians at least get credit for recovering the drone (and all associated technology?)
The Black Sea is over 7,000ft deep.

Think they found it that fast?🤔
 
Technically correct. Dumping a drone filled with fuel and li-ion batteries is definitely not good environmental practice. Neither is blowing up a gas pipeline.

Do the Russians at least get credit for recovering the drone (and all associated technology?)
To tag onto this I imagine a superpowers army and a nation being proxy supported by all of NATO does some serious environmental damage and has a pretty massive carbon foot print. If we care so much about the environment, should we not be trying to de escalate this ASAP, you know, for the planet??





Oh and to stop killing shit loads of people and also with a high likelihood of this going nuclear.
 
To tag onto this I imagine a superpowers army and a nation being proxy supported by all of NATO does some serious environmental damage and has a pretty massive carbon foot print. If we care so much about the environment, should we not be trying to de escalate this ASAP, you know, for the planet??





Oh and to stop killing shit loads of people and also with a high likelihood of this going nuclear.
Everything you just mentioned simply points to how incredibly stupid and self-destructive humans really are. And it should be noted that those doing these idiotic things will NOT do any of the things you mentioned, because they are, indeed, stupid.
 
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Russia is struggling mightily against a far smaller, weaker neighbor. If Russia was what we were being sold, they would've steamrolled through Kyiv in a month or less.
And what do you would have happened if the US and other countries didn't toss billions and weapons to prop up UKR?

It's like weekend at Bernie's. Russia would have stomped their ass quick and the only thing our money does is get wasted while delaying the inevitable.
 
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