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Potential for Alabama Offroad Parks Being Forced to Close

FelixstoweF.2 said:
Actually, most Insurance policies are based on their risk of damage and the probability that you will have damage.

You argument about oil coming from the Earth and its implication that it cannot be dangerous is called a natural fallacy. Arsenic , Uranium , Radium, Polonium, Thallium , Strontium, Cesium, Cobalt, Lead, etc and so on are all natural and are found in the Earth's crust right? But you don't necessarily want to have your drinking water supply come from an area where those are found in the water right? Just like you dont' want to have a crude oil or refined oil in your water supply either.

As for snowplowing I do like to do it. But is also sort of necessary if you want safe roads and driveways. But that being said I don't think you should purposely try to damage the environment either. So, I don't like push dirty snow with liter into watersheds I try not to pollute the watershed that I live in at all.

That seems to me to be the intent of the law that hey we all have to use the finite supplies of water in this area of the country and we should all try our best to maintain these resources. Which is why I find your response and those of others to it so interesting. It seems to me that many people here want to tell others that only their rights to use things matters. And that attitude I really find disheartening. Because you're going to make these issues hostile instead of trying to create a viable plan that all can benefit from.
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Deathmatch?
 
Stuck said:
Let me guess, the fat bastard lives near one and the noise bothers his precious foo foo doggy and his gay partner.
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More likely his brother/cousin/friend is a developer who has land abutting some park and wants to close the park to up the value or something he's got or wants to close the park so he can buy it because it will dovetail nicely with what he's got.

These people aren't idiots. They're evil.
 
AKnate said:
Just curious, what does a $5 million insurance plan cost?
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Probably way the fuck too much because on a fundamental level you basically can't insure something that the state is trying to destroy because they can just keep throwing plaintiffs in front of a judge until they get a friendly judge and damages stick.
 
FelixstoweF.2 said:
How about you get to the back of the fucking line genius. You do realize that off road driving is terribly destructive to the environment and while you might not mind drinking gasoline and oil filled water-- others don't want to.

It seems to me we can and must do better to protect the enivronment
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You think roads are better for the environment?
 
45acp said:
I'm going to explain this to you once, and then I'm not going to fuck with you anymore. Outside of maybe helping others look up your personal info.

The people of this forum have been offroading for many years. They are well aware of the minor environmental impacts, and all have spent decades personally minimizing this impact. I'm not going to go into long boring detail of all the trail cleanups and 1000's of other things IBB people have done the last 25 years... just suffice it to say everyone here is very environmentally conscious of our hobby/ sport.

You are obviously not a rock crawler. You are basically the vegan at the world championship BBQ cook-off. Be mindful of that. Going into a possible trail closure thread, and preaching enviro-nonsense to a big group of people who are some of the most environmentally mindful offroaders on the planet is not smart. You are not smart. This is not the thread for you to not be smart in.

It's none of my business if you poke the bear... its just that this is the wrong bear to poke.




*edit- bonus tip
If you keep going with this, you might want to start changing passwords on everything. It won't stop the bear, but it should slow it down a little bit
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You're right I'm not that impressed by rock-crawling--I've done it and it is okay. I like different types of terrain. But, you really cannot minimize the effects on the environment if we're operating on these trails year after year causing soil erosion, habitat destruction, and so on. This law is sorta just basic environmental law in most places.

Also Pro-Tip probably not a good idea to spout off about stalking and cyber harassing.
 
rockota said:
You think roads are better for the environment?
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A little better in some case and in some case worse. Depends on where they are located. The type of use they get. The type of environmental factors.
 
FelixstoweF.2 said:
You're right I'm not that impressed by rock-crawling--I've done it and it is okay. I like different types of terrain. But, you really cannot minimize the effects on the environment if we're operating on these trails year after year causing soil erosion, habitat destruction, and so on. This law is sorta just basic environmental law in most places.

Also Pro-Tip probably not a good idea to spout off about stalking and cyber harassing.
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You just do not understand that you have outed yourself as a pure enemy to our sport and hobby. I think your welcome has officially diminished and now these are polite gestures to get out.
 
FleshEater said:
You just do not understand that you have outed yourself as a pure enemy to our sport and hobby. I think your welcome has officially diminished and now these are polite gestures to get out.
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Pure Enemy-- that fuck is this drivel? Because I'm realistic to know that you just cannot do things the old way? You might want to have the environmental study have the proper permits for the state and to make sure your guests don't go around abusing any property is this adjacent to yours as an off-park isn't the end of the world. It is actually a really good policy since it helps you to create better relationships with your neighbors when incidents happen. It's also good not to destroy potable water supplies they aren't infinite.

Welcome to the real world--its 2024 not 1924...
 
FleshEater said:
I will add this: if this turns into the old board shenanigans this is going to be fun to watch. It’ll feel like the good ol’ days of dangerous internet play. :smokin:

:flipoff2:
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A bunch of old men trying to relive their youth. That's just what Austin needs. :laughing:
 
FelixstoweF.2 said:
Pure Enemy-- that fuck is this drivel? Because I'm realistic to know that you just cannot do things the old way? You might want to have the environmental study have the proper permits for the state and to make sure your guests don't go around abusing any property is this adjacent to yours as an off-park isn't the end of the world. It is actually a really good policy since it helps you to create better relationships with your neighbors when incidents happen. It's also good not to destroy potable water supplies they aren't infinite.

Welcome to the real world--its 2024 not 1924...
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If it were just a few permits and not fucking your neighbors the .gov was asking for the boot licking boomers would be trotting out all their usual garbage they use to justify ponying up and licking the boot. "We live in a society" and all that shit.

The problem is that it's not a few permits and common sense mitigations. It's oversight by capricious state (government environmental and safety bullshit) and state adjacent (insurance) bureaucracies which time and time again has been a foot in the door to fuck over our sport if not an attempt to do that from the get go.

And the true enemy here is people like you because you take their bullshit pretexts at face value and lend legitimacy and support to their actions. Arguably worse than that, you are the automotive equivalent equivalent of a fudd. You are happy to have the .gov shit on our sport because they're not coming after your snowblowers, yet and your casual involvement in an adjacent hobby is used to convey false legitimacy when offering opinions about ours.
 
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Provience said:
Destructive in the sanctioned way.

Bore the mountain, damn the river, heaven forbid you meander with the ridges
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FelixstoweF.2 said:
I didn't say stop offloading did I? I said offloading needs to try to reduce its environmental impact. Because increasing the silt in rivers and streams destroyers them not only for the wildlife but also for the people that like to use them for fishing. And contaminating the water sheds is just stupid since the often supplies drinking water.
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Its a statistically insignificant area affected by offroading.

Like has been said, most everyone here is all about taking care of the environment and treading lightly, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t still enjoy wheeling in the few little places we can.

FelixstoweF.2 said:
/snip

That seems to me to be the intent of the law that hey we all have to use the finite supplies of water in this area of the country and we should all try our best to maintain these resources. Which is why I find your response and those of others to it so interesting. It seems to me that many people here want to tell others that only their rights to use things matters. And that attitude I really find disheartening. Because you're going to make these issues hostile instead of trying to create a viable plan that all can benefit from.
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Its Alabama, not Vegas. They aint hurting for water down there.

People get upset cause the few places we do have to go wheeling keep getting shut down over bullshit that is so minor in the grand scale of the planet. Its not like there are offroad parks behind every walmart, and its not like they give us new places to wheel in lieu of the places shut down.

The environmental impacts on such a small area are negligible in comparison to infrastructure, commercial and residential construction, solar and wind farms…
 
FelixstoweF.2 said:
You're right I'm not that impressed by rock-crawling--I've done it and it is okay. I like different types of terrain. But, you really cannot minimize the effects on the environment if we're operating on these trails year after year causing soil erosion, habitat destruction, and so on. This law is sorta just basic environmental law in most places.

Also Pro-Tip probably not a good idea to spout off about stalking and cyber harassing.
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you're a fuckwad
 
FelixstoweF.2 said:
How about you get to the back of the fucking line genius. You do realize that off road driving is terribly destructive to the environment and while you might not mind drinking gasoline and oil filled water-- others don't want to.

It seems to me we can and must do better to protect the enivronment
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We should protect the environment. I would think that having the offroading done in a single area would be more beneficial? If we can't do anything because it might hurt the environment then lets do away with solar fields.

Fort Bend Co. neighbors want to know whether solar panel farm's hailstorm damage leaked chemicals​

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Fort Bend Co. neighbors want to know whether solar panel farm's hailstorm damage leaked chemicals

One of the neighbors in Guy, Texas, likened the damage to shotgun pellets falling to earth. Now, Fort Bend County and state environmental officials are investigating.
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pretty sure the oil fields were just fine after the storm.

and this is the agency you want in charge of it?
EPA denies $1 billion-plus in claims from toxic Colorado mine spill
 
nahmus said:
We should protect the environment. I would think that having the offroading done in a single area would be more beneficial? If we can't do anything because it might hurt the environment then lets do away with solar fields.

Fort Bend Co. neighbors want to know whether solar panel farm's hailstorm damage leaked chemicals​

abc13.com

Fort Bend Co. neighbors want to know whether solar panel farm's hailstorm damage leaked chemicals

One of the neighbors in Guy, Texas, likened the damage to shotgun pellets falling to earth. Now, Fort Bend County and state environmental officials are investigating.
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pretty sure the oil fields were just fine after the storm.

and this is the agency you want in charge of it?
EPA denies $1 billion-plus in claims from toxic Colorado mine spill
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This tool is a complete fascist/commie/government loving nut swinger. All his posts in any thread is just begging to be bent over a barrel and taken advantage of by Uncle Sam in every imaginable way.
 
Well i believe that in the last jobs report that gov jobs were the biggest gain. So he's in good company.
 
AKnate said:
Just curious, what does a $5 million insurance plan cost?
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I carry a 1 mil umbrella policy on my shop. It's 3k a year and it's a very narrow scope policy. 5 mil gen liability on an off-road park would probably be 10x or more. The enviro cuck saying it's no big deal knows fuck all about the shit he is squawking about.
 
FelixstoweF.2 said:
Pure Enemy-- that fuck is this drivel? Because I'm realistic to know that you just cannot do things the old way? You might want to have the environmental study have the proper permits for the state and to make sure your guests don't go around abusing any property is this adjacent to yours as an off-park isn't the end of the world. It is actually a really good policy since it helps you to create better relationships with your neighbors when incidents happen. It's also good not to destroy potable water supplies they aren't infinite.

Welcome to the real world--its 2024 not 1924...
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Felix,
What are your thoughts on the Emissions Restrictions on your rigs?

Sorry for the derail and keeping the Troll going, guys............:homer:
 
Hmmm this rant sounds familiar about NYC watersheds. I think I bought something like parts or similar once before from the this guy about 5-6 years ago off Craigslist or marketplace or something.

You guys have to realize something here, you’re arguing with a guy who WILLINGLY lives in a NYC watershed. Everything that happens there is basically illegal and a threat to the environment in some convoluted loop-de-loop way. It’s a liberal Utopia. Putting down salt on some of the roads there is illegal. They literally make your cows cross bridges instead of walking in muddy water. You'll never win this argument with him
 
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