Potential for Alabama Offroad Parks Being Forced to Close

[Provience]

Get the fuck out of here. Go fuck your sister, stick your dick in a blender, drink a gallon of bleach, and suck start a shotgun before you OD on said bleach.

This is an off roading forum. You stupid fucking cum stain.

You spew the dumbest shit in every thread you frequent.

Without the syndicate, who would build roads? Without roads, we couldn't drive anywhere

 

[FleshEater]

Without the syndicate, who would build roads? Without roads, we couldn't drive anywhere

Roads are way more destructive than any off road activity. This Felix guy is a fucking twat.

 

[Provience]

Roads are way more destructive than any off road activity. This Felix guy is a fucking twat.

Destructive in the sanctioned way.

Bore the mountain, damn the river, heaven forbid you meander with the ridges

 

[FleshEater]

Destructive in the sanctioned way.

Bore the mountain, damn the river, heaven forbid you meander with the ridges

I just get so tired of hearing the same echo chamber about erosion and destructiveness with off roading. Rain causes erosion, landslides change landscapes, literally everything about the earth changes naturally…but drive 4 wheel drive vehicles off the pavement and now it’s a call to arms from all the suburbanite women like Felix finding their cause to fight and live for.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

Get the fuck out of here. Go fuck your sister, stick your dick in a blender, drink a gallon of bleach, and suck start a shotgun before you OD on said bleach.

This is an off roading forum. You stupid fucking cum stain.

You spew the dumbest shit in every thread you frequent.

I didn't say stop offloading did I? I said offloading needs to try to reduce its environmental impact. Because increasing the silt in rivers and streams destroyers them not only for the wildlife but also for the people that like to use them for fishing. And contaminating the water sheds is just stupid since the often supplies drinking water.

 

[Provience]

I didn't say stop offloading did I? I said offloading needs to try to reduce its environmental impact. Because increasing the silt in rivers and streams destroyers them not only for the wildlife but also for the people that like to use them for fishing. And contaminating the water sheds is just stupid since the often supplies drinking water.

 

[jeeptj19992001]

I didn't say stop offloading did I? I said offloading needs to try to reduce its environmental impact. Because increasing the silt in rivers and streams destroyers them not only for the wildlife but also for the people that like to use them for fishing. And contaminating the water sheds is just stupid since the often supplies drinking water.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

I would think that you just might want to protect the environment more since you want use it. The contempt for environmental protection and keeping the areas safe as possible for not only our use with our vehicles but others too does baffle me.

Silt in the streams in my home town killed the fishing and wild life for nearly century after the Tanning industry left in the 1860's. So, I would think we as responsible off-roaders would want to minimize our impact so we can enjoy the land for a multitude of uses along with others. I see that is not your view. I find it strange but not unpredictable.

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[Bogus One]

Felix,
Your argument is as valid as this:
GOD FORBID a concrete truck drop some concrete on the dirt on one of our sites.

I wipe it with a wood trowel??

SIDEWALK!!

 

[Roktoy829]

I have grown up seeing the main creeks the color of mudd around here. Before the idea of an offroad park existed. The amount of rain we get here at times does that.

Shit, part of my yard is a hill. I have erosion and it gets in the natural drainage and builds up. Can my neighbors sue me? I hope I don't have to get a 5 million dollar insurance policy. Can I sue my other neighbors if it comes in my yard from their land?

What about the very strong poisons only a farmer can get? He can pay for and use the chemicals, cause he is a farmer and better than we are. Which he will use on a more large scale than a regular land owner will.

It is more harmful to the area around here. When a farmer using large scale amounts of poison for a hedge row or 3M poisoning the river and THE GROUND WATER. Which the 3M issue is a very real case.

Then you have the old coal plants. Colbert was one, and IIRC one in Muscle Shoals back during WW2.

So, some little bit of oil or gas getting in the dirt or water is not going to hurt. What about the oil that leaks out in the ocean. What about the tar oil they were going to refine about 10 years back in the state of Alabama.

I have some older friends that their family owns large amount of land in the mountainous areas ( for us they are a mountain). They have talked about a sludge being on the surface at times. Then we have the company buying land for it.

So, Felix shut the fuck up. Your cry baby bullshit stinks more than a maggot throwing up.

I bet in the end, some big donor is crying about the noise. That is one of the biggest problems about HawkPride. You should see of the comments and lies certain ones are saying. Blaming the offroaders for needles on the road. Nevermind the fucking Zombie methheads walking the road.

The county wanted to pitch a fit about the noise and parking. The commissioner was being bother by it from complaints. The RBD event is the main reason for this. They will not do shit to the round track that echos. I can hear it at my sister's inside her house. Funny thing the round track noise flows up on the mountian also. There is nothing said to them. They run to about 3am.

I will give the old Bastard this. He does complain about them too. They run every clear weekend in the warm months.

The run off issue is just bullshit.

 

[FleshEater]

I have grown up seeing the main creeks the color of mudd around here. Before the idea of an offroad park existed. The amount of rain we get here at times does that.

Shit, part of my yard is a hill. I have erosion and it gets in the natural drainage and builds up. Can my neighbors sue me? I hope I don't have to get a 5 million dollar insurance policy. Can I sue my other neighbors if it comes in my yard from their land?

What about the very strong poisons only a farmer can get? He can pay for and use the chemicals, cause he is a farmer and better than we are. Which he will use on a more large scale than a regular land owner will.

It is more harmful to the area around here. When a farmer using large scale amounts of poison for a hedge row or 3M poisoning the river and THE GROUND WATER. Which the 3M issue is a very real case.

Then you have the old coal plants. Colbert was one, and IIRC one in Muscle Shoals back during WW2.

So, some little bit of oil or gas getting in the dirt or water is not going to hurt. What about the oil that leaks out in the ocean. What about the tar oil they were going to refine about 10 years back in the state of Alabama.

I have some older friends that their family owns large amount of land in the mountainous areas ( for us they are a mountain). They have talked about a sludge being on the surface at times. Then we have the company buying land for it.

So, Felix shut the fuck up. Your cry baby bullshit stinks more than a maggot throwing up.

I bet in the end, some big donor is crying about the noise. That is one of the biggest problems about HawkPride. You should see of the comments and lies certain ones are saying. Blaming the offroaders for needles on the road. Nevermind the fucking Zombie methheads walking the road.

The county wanted to pitch a fit about the noise and parking. The commissioner was being bother by it from complaints. The RBD event is the main reason for this. They will not do shit to the round track that echos. I can hear it at my sister's inside her house. Funny thing the round track noise flows up on the mountian also. There is nothing said to them. They run to about 3am.

I will give the old Bastard this. He does complain about them too. They run every clear weekend in the warm months.

The run off issue is just bullshit.

I almost replied to him…then remembered he’s the snow plowing version of Eviltwit. Like an absolute clone of the German moron.

 

[Curbkrawler]

I would think that you just might want to protect the environment more since you want use it. The contempt for environmental protection and keeping the areas safe as possible for not only our use with our vehicles but others too does baffle me.

Silt in the streams in my home town killed the fishing and wild life for nearly century after the Tanning industry left in the 1860's. So, I would think we as responsible off-roaders would want to minimize our impact so we can enjoy the land for a multitude of uses along with others. I see that is not your view. I find it strange but not unpredictable.

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[FelixstoweF.2]

Oh Boy....

 

[Slander]

How about you get to the back of the fucking line genius. You do realize that off road driving is terribly destructive to the environment and while you might not mind drinking gasoline and oil filled water-- others don't want to.

It seems to me we can and must do better to protect the enivronment

So are your dumbass plow trucks, die in a fire please

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

So are your dumbass plow trucks, die in a fire please

They can be damaging to the environment. Most of the time they're not driving so they really aren't doing any damage. And I put pans to collect any potential fluid leaks in critical areas.

You see I'm not saying we shouldn't have the right to enjoy off-roading-- I'm saying we should be try to figure where we can do it and how we can do it without impacting the environment in the most negative ways possible.

 

[Blugreenformula]

I didn't say stop offloading did I? I said offloading needs to try to reduce its environmental impact. Because increasing the silt in rivers and streams destroyers them not only for the wildlife but also for the people that like to use them for fishing. And contaminating the water sheds is just stupid since the often supplies drinking water.

What's your address bitch? I'm sure your wife would like some dick from someone who doesn't pee laying down.
Seriously, go out in the woods and lower the population by one. There is absolutely nothing in this world for you.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

What's your address bitch? I'm sure your wife would like some dick from someone who doesn't pee laying down.
Seriously, go out in the woods and lower the population by one. There is absolutely nothing in this world for you.

Does this ever impress anyone?

 

[DirtRoads]

I didn't say stop offloading did I? I said offloading needs to try to reduce its environmental impact. Because increasing the silt in rivers and streams destroyers them not only for the wildlife but also for the people that like to use them for fishing. And contaminating the water sheds is just stupid since the often supplies drinking water.

The only reason they are saying that is because water quality “concerns” have an unbelievably successful track record of closing trails in the southeast.

In several cases, the trails will close and the land will be 100% clear cut for timber 5 years later.

So yeah, you should probably sit this one out.

 

[AKnate]

Just curious, what does a $5 million insurance plan cost?

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

Just curious, what does a $5 million insurance plan cost?

Not as much as you think. I had 25 million bond on my company for working with certain clients and that only cost me insurance about $12-15K a year with everything else.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

The only reason they are saying that is because water quality “concerns” have an unbelievably successful track record of closing trails in the southeast.

In several cases, the trails will close and the land will be 100% clear cut for timber 5 years later.

So yeah, you should probably sit this one out.

Don't you think that happens in the Northeast too?

 

[DirtRoads]

Don't you think that happens in the Northeast too?

If you are aware of that, I’d expect for you approach presenting your case a little differently.


100% of this board will agree that the environment needs to be protected within reasonable accommodations. Everyone except you is aware that off readers aren’t dumping buckets of oil and gasoline on the trail as you suggest.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

If you are aware of that, I’d expect for you approach presenting your case a little differently.


100% of this board will agree that the environment needs to be protected within reasonable accommodations. Everyone except you is aware that off readers aren’t dumping buckets of oil and gasoline on the trail as you suggest.

No one says that you're dumbing buckets of oil.

But, let's face it that any popular park is going to have more hydrocarbons in the soil and in any surface ground water because of the exhausts, general use and so on. That's just reality. And if we are going into streams and water that is used in watersheds for drinking then we have problems.

And silt in the streams from erosion is a serious problem to streams.

I live in the NYC watershed so I know about restrictions and I can still enjoy my hobbies without too many issues.

Too me clear cutting is also another terrible thing to do and negates the entire ecological protection of land.

 

[tracyb]

Not as much as you think. I had 25 million bond on my company for working with certain clients and that only cost me insurance about $12-15K a year with everything else.

its more than you think

you think the cost for your bond relates in any way to what it would in another industry?


I believe I have a small bond, a friend the same size. he pays 20x as much as I do. we do different work



a 5mil bond for an off-road park I could see easily being very prohibitive.






on your enviro retardation... are you worried about co2 as well?

you realize oil comes out of the ground? and isn't made of fossils? such a shame the earth would dirty itself that way.

the issues you bring up are unlikely and an order of magnitude smaller than something like your example of a tanning company, polluting a river. imagine the horror of all those 2stroke in the water ways.



I'd bet an offroad park is far better for the environment, than if all those people that attend that park were to find other places to do their activities. but by your logic we should shut down all motor sports. but your cool with your plowing because you like it.


maybe you should live in a more temperate climate where you don't need to plow and can hug trees year round.

 

[4RunnerGuy]

Signed

 

[45acp]

--- complete garbage---

You wanna get Wenzeled? Because going on the premier rockcrawler fabrication forum and chastising offroaders for offroading is a good way to get Wenzeled.

From what I've seen of you thus far, the people here have been very tolerant of your ignorance. You might wanna slowly step away from this thread and just go chill for a bit you worthless shitfuck.

 

[Curbkrawler]

You wanna get Wenzeled? Because going on the premier rockcrawler fabrication forum and chastising offroaders for offroading is a good way to get Wenzeled.

From what I've seen of you thus far, the people here have been very tolerant of your ignorance. You might wanna slowly step away from this thread and just go chill for a bit you worthless shitfuck.

He's doing his part to save water by taking showers with his dad...

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

You wanna get Wenzeled? Because going on the premier rockcrawler fabrication forum and chastising offroaders for offroading is a good way to get Wenzeled.

From what I've seen of you thus far, the people here have been very tolerant of your ignorance. You might wanna slowly step away from this thread and just go chill for a bit you worthless shitfuck.

I questioned your attitude towards the realities of the activity and its damage to the environment is to me puzzling. The fact that anyone with a difference of opinion is the enemy is really concerning. As for your status as premier how do you even judge that?

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

its more than you think

you think the cost for your bond relates in any way to what it would in another industry?


I believe I have a small bond, a friend the same size. he pays 20x as much as I do. we do different work



a 5mil bond for an off-road park I could see easily being very prohibitive.






on your enviro retardation... are you worried about co2 as well?

you realize oil comes out of the ground? and isn't made of fossils? such a shame the earth would dirty itself that way.

the issues you bring up are unlikely and an order of magnitude smaller than something like your example of a tanning company, polluting a river. imagine the horror of all those 2stroke in the water ways.



I'd bet an offroad park is far better for the environment, than if all those people that attend that park were to find other places to do their activities. but by your logic we should shut down all motor sports. but your cool with your plowing because you like it.


maybe you should live in a more temperate climate where you don't need to plow and can hug trees year round.

Actually, most Insurance policies are based on their risk of damage and the probability that you will have damage.

You argument about oil coming from the Earth and its implication that it cannot be dangerous is called a natural fallacy. Arsenic , Uranium , Radium, Polonium, Thallium , Strontium, Cesium, Cobalt, Lead, etc and so on are all natural and are found in the Earth's crust right? But you don't necessarily want to have your drinking water supply come from an area where those are found in the water right? Just like you dont' want to have a crude oil or refined oil in your water supply either.

As for snowplowing I do like to do it. But is also sort of necessary if you want safe roads and driveways. But that being said I don't think you should purposely try to damage the environment either. So, I don't like push dirty snow with liter into watersheds I try not to pollute the watershed that I live in at all.

That seems to me to be the intent of the law that hey we all have to use the finite supplies of water in this area of the country and we should all try our best to maintain these resources. Which is why I find your response and those of others to it so interesting. It seems to me that many people here want to tell others that only their rights to use things matters. And that attitude I really find disheartening. Because you're going to make these issues hostile instead of trying to create a viable plan that all can benefit from.

 

[45acp]

I questioned your attitude towards the realities of the activity and its damage to the environment is to me puzzling. The fact that anyone with a difference of opinion is the enemy is really concerning. As for your status as premier how do you even judge that?

I'm going to explain this to you once, and then I'm not going to fuck with you anymore. Outside of maybe helping others look up your personal info.

The people of this forum have been offroading for many years. They are well aware of the minor environmental impacts, and all have spent decades personally minimizing this impact. I'm not going to go into long boring detail of all the trail cleanups and 1000's of other things IBB people have done the last 25 years... just suffice it to say everyone here is very environmentally conscious of our hobby/ sport.

You are obviously not a rock crawler. You are basically the vegan at the world championship BBQ cook-off. Be mindful of that. Going into a possible trail closure thread, and preaching enviro-nonsense to a big group of people who are some of the most environmentally mindful offroaders on the planet is not smart. You are not smart. This is not the thread for you to not be smart in.

It's none of my business if you poke the bear... its just that this is the wrong bear to poke.




*edit- bonus tip
If you keep going with this, you might want to start changing passwords on everything. It won't stop the bear, but it should slow it down a little bit