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Pit bull dumpster fire

east_beast said:
It makes me sad when a company that's trying to keep business in the states fails, but you gotta understand going into it that some people will be willing to pay somewhat of a premium for a made in America product, but they're probably not going to be willing to pay double on an already pricey product like tires. You really paint yourself into a corner when you build your company image on "made in America" then figure out well down the road that it's simply not economically viable. Seems like that's where they're at.
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the prices weren't out of line before the perpetually-going-out-of-business-furniture-store pricing model was put in to place :( I think that is what makes me most sad about it. they got themselves way sucked up in the highs and lows of mob swings and it has cost them significantly.
 
Provience said:
the prices weren't out of line before the perpetually-going-out-of-business-furniture-store pricing model was put in to place :( I think that is what makes me most sad about it. they got themselves way sucked up in the highs and lows of mob swings and it has cost them significantly.
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Yeah, I've never understood the overprice everything and run constant promos method of doing business. You pretty much train your customers to sit and wait for a better deal.
 
I liked his post. Good for him for speaking his mind, whatever it may be. Ill try to give him business if I ever buy new tires.
 
I really don't see price as the biggest issue for PB. Lots of people wanted/paid for tires, sadly only some got them eventually. Interco is still made in America (with one line exception) and they are doing just fine, but to my knowledge they don't sit on peoples money for 6 months +. PB is constantly accused of lying about lead times. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, if they don't control every aspect of production they don't actually know for sure when product will ship.

Calmini is in the middle of a class action lawsuit for the same thing right now. They got in trouble for taking peoples money with no product on the shelf, and not willingly refund people after they were caught lying about lead times.

I know from working with Milestar that one tire mold is $50,000 dollars, so it is a substantial investment to get started.
 
I've never had problems waiting for Interco tires, I think MOST of their tire line up is made in the US. Are their tires actually made in Louisiana? or another state?
 
dnsfailure said:
I've never had problems waiting for Interco tires, I think MOST of their tire line up is made in the US. Are their tires actually made in Louisiana? or another state?
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I've been running TrxUs MTs on my TJ pretty much since they came out and they're made in old Mexico.
 
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I think pit bull has gone way to long making tires that no one wants. I get that the mold is expensive, but at some point, you got to give up on what's not selling.

The 37 bias rockers are like 34" tall

The 39 bias rockers are like 36x18 and don't even do well in snow.

The 42 bias are decent depending on who you talk to, but are pretty wide and very round.



The maddog or whatever is a huge flop, I can count on half of 1 hand how many I've seen in person, much less on the trail.

The growler is probably their most promising tire, but goes from like a 31 to a 46? A 37 and 40 Radial would probably sell.

The only tires they sell that are decent size and performance are the 37 and 41.5 rocker Radial. They measure true to sidewall (37 is taller than the 39 bias:laughing:​​​​​​) They are a great width, flat tread, have good traction, good side wall durability and even drive decent on the road. I had the 41.5s and had no complaints other than they were too big for my rig. Had they offered a 40" rocker or growler Radial I probably wouldn't have got that.


I'd like to have another set of the 41.5s, but not enough to deal with all their bs.
 
east_beast said:
Yeah, I've never understood the overprice everything and run constant promos method of doing business. You pretty much train your customers to sit and wait for a better deal.
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well, they sold out in a day and had a year long backorder on tires. pretty damned big bump, also reflects the mentality that they weren't such a shit company back then as people jumped all over their product. never been a sticky, but still filled a spot. and on the short list of 16.5 tire MFG
 
NOTHINGWILLCHANGELANCE said:
how so? companies are about profits first and foremost. how do you keep them in check for the greater good?
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ill let Uncle Milton explain. start about 8:20 minute mark about environmental issues. atleast stay through the solitmyde discussion. Then jump to 20:35 for how he hacks the Cabinet down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSumJxQ5oy4

"Market arrangement vs command & control"

now, im not sure i agree with him on the suggestion of a "carbon credit" system. But he avoids the health issues of it.
 
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Texas97 said:
ill let Uncle Milton explain. start about 8:20 minute mark about environmental issues. atleast stay through the solitmyde discussion. Then jump to 20:35 for how he hacks the Cabinet down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSumJxQ5oy4

"Market arrangement vs command & control"

now, im not sure i agree with him on the suggestion of a "carbon credit" system. But he avoids the health issues of it.
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I will give this an honest watch tomorrow at work. can't be learning this kinda stuff on my own dime.
 
Provience said:
well, they sold out in a day and had a year long backorder on tires. pretty damned big bump, also reflects the mentality that they weren't such a shit company back then as people jumped all over their product. never been a sticky, but still filled a spot. and on the short list of 16.5 tire MFG
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Yes because people saw half off and went nuts. Then they pissed off a lot of people by turning half off what their cart said. Some people got that, then some were charged shipping and some had to pay half off inflated prices 6-8 months later.

I think that sale hurt their reputation big time.
 
Texas97 said:
ill let Uncle Milton explain. start about 8:20 minute mark about environmental issues. atleast stay through the solitmyde discussion. Then jump to 20:35 for how he hacks the Cabinet down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSumJxQ5oy4

"Market arrangement vs command & control"

now, im not sure i agree with him on the suggestion of a "carbon credit" system. But he avoids the health issues of it.
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One of the better videos I have watched recently. Thank you for the link. I agree with Milton the .gov needs to get out of most everything. Let the market work!
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
One of the better videos I have watched recently. Thank you for the link. I agree with Milton the .gov needs to get out of most everything. Let the market work!
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fundamentally I agree. as long as we are willing to let progress destroy the planet. profits will always come before any sense of neighborly responsibility. thats the only fault I can't work out.
 
JR4X said:
We ran the black label 40's in 4400 at KOH this year. Only lost one and it was due to driver error flying off the trail and into a boulder field at 60 mph. They are no Krawler but there are many tires I think they are better than. I have been playing with them in the down time in my crawler and they are impressive for what they cost. Down the road that probably means they will increase in cost too and then who knows what will happen.
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Are you sponsored by them?
 
Stress is a hell of a thing.
 
NOTHINGWILLCHANGELANCE said:
fundamentally I agree. as long as we are willing to let progress destroy the planet. profits will always come before any sense of neighborly responsibility. thats the only fault I can't work out.
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nature finds a way.

do you think there are currently no "neighborly" companies?

I don't support complete deregulation, but there is a long ways to go to get back to reasonable and functional without fucking things off
 
OSHA is pretty well tits on a boar at this point. Companies in the US try very hard not to hurt their people. The profit margin is a big reason for that, since lawsuits force the right behavior.

I actually think the EPA needs to exist in some form. But the current version of it is full of so many competing pet project priorities that it does very little real good. We do have to do what we can to make sure companies can't simply externalize costs by polluting. But not try to run everything into the ground to prevent manbearpig.
 
Provience said:
nature finds a way.

do you think there are currently no "neighborly" companies?

I don't support complete deregulation, but there is a long ways to go to get back to reasonable and functional without fucking things off
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there is somewhere in between full leftie regulate everything and the free for all china is. we can do it.
 
NOTHINGWILLCHANGELANCE said:
fundamentally I agree. as long as we are willing to let progress destroy the planet. profits will always come before any sense of neighborly responsibility. thats the only fault I can't work out.
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Watch the video I posted. We don't have to let anything destroy the planet. The market will provide checks and balances. The FDA was a great example they used.

Companies won't destroy the planet because the cost to do so is to high. There is retribution that can be had by those who are harmed. Government isn't the only bringer of that retribution.
 
I just don't understand how the rant is "USA! USA!" and then we are moving production overseas.

I love my PBRs. Shit they have an American flag on them and say god guts and glory on the sidewall.

Sad times.
 
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