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bgaidan said:
So that's at all UR locations on the same date? Do all the sales reps deal with used sales or just certain ones?

I never realized they did direct sales. I thought they just sent everything to auction. I wold have been bugging my reps a long time ago for deals!

I have a UR location right down the road from me and I deal with them all over the southeast/midatlantic for work. I'm in the market for a forklift or, more preferably a mini telehandler. Gonna have to keep my eyes open come November.


Speaking of that, if I were spending that kind of money on a machine, it would be something like this. Some brands come with high flow hyrdros and bobcat style quick connects so you can run most any skidsteer attachment. You can find them used for about the same money that OP is looking at.


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I don't think those are really designed to do ground engagement work. And there isn't a practical way to do tracks like a skid steer.
 
ive got 3 T650s in my control. Good units. Have a/c issues but everything is easy to get too. Had a sending unit go bad on one again fairly easy. The glass gets broken alot from miss use. at about 2k hours we had to put tracks on.

They are good and they are like 80k new soo
 
larboc said:
I don't think those are really designed to do ground engagement work. And there isn't a practical way to do tracks like a skid steer.
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Not at all, they make a bucket for them, but it's pretty much for scooping loose material and lifting it really high or out if needed. Telihandlers are awesome, but I can't imagine how often you would really need the Telihandler part vs just having a skid steer. I wouldn't think it would run many skid steer attachments, but I can't say for sure.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Not at all, they make a bucket for them, but it's pretty much for scooping loose material and lifting it really high or out if needed. Telihandlers are awesome, but I can't imagine how often you would really need the Telihandler part vs just having a skid steer. I wouldn't think it would run many skid steer attachments, but I can't say for sure.
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xfaxman over on TBN uses a Bobcat V417 telehandler for digging dirt, moving hay bales, moving trees (with a grapple or tree spade) and running a 7' hydraulic bush hog: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/bobcat-construction-equipment/160568-compact-telehandler.html
Seems to do well with it.

Aaron Z
 
What are friends for :flipoff2:​​​​​​
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I'm about 5'11" and have never felt cramped in any skid steer, but I'm more torso than legs.

If it's anything like the tl12 taco hoochi I hopped in the other day, anyone will fit in it. I felt like a kid inside that thing.
 
Muckin_Slusher said:
whoever said the working load was 3 something thousand pounds, RitchieSpecs has it listed at 5200 lbs. That's a huge machine. (which is a plus!)

https://www.ritchiespecs.com/model/b...terrain-loader
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No manufacturer publishes what skid steer loaders or compact track loaders will physically lift off the ground. They are rated at their tipping load (ROC) rated operating capacity. Sslders are rated at 50% of their tipping load whereas CTLs are rated at 35% of their tipping load. They raise the bucket to its most unstable position (radial lift straight out roughly half way up, vertical lift at full height) they put weight in the bucket until it starts to tip. Reason for the difference in % is because CTLs are more stable. The ROC is to class machines for comparisons (like f-150 f-250 etc) and a published safety margin rating.

big chassis machines will lift pretty serious weight. The Deere 333G will lift two of those big rectangle concrete retaining wall blocks one placed in front of the other to full height. That’s a bunch of weight. All depends on what your needs are really
 
I don’t have much experience. I’ve only rented units a dozen or so times. Small, medium, large, tracks, tires, etc. I really do not like the Bobcats. A buddy of mine hooks me up that’s the only reason I use them. I don’t like the controls and for some reason, every single Bobcat I’ve used had to be at high/full rpm to operate smoothly. Even just moving down the driveway.

The Deere’s and Case I’ve run just seemed to be smoother easier to operate. Also, fuck foot controls.
 
NORDFORD said:
I don’t have much experience. I’ve only rented units a dozen or so times. Small, medium, large, tracks, tires, etc. I really do not like the Bobcats. A buddy of mine hooks me up that’s the only reason I use them. I don’t like the controls and for some reason, every single Bobcat I’ve used had to be at high/full rpm to operate smoothly. Even just moving down the driveway.

The Deere’s and Case I’ve run just seemed to be smoother easier to operate. Also, fuck foot controls.
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The job I'm on now is the first time I've spent much time in a bobcat, it's a t750 with ~2600 hrs and is kinda beat up. (skid steers get treated like shit on big jobs)

I'm not sure if it's just this one, but it's a gutless pos and FAR from smooth. I've have a fair amount of time on a wide variety of cat's and it's night and day.

I really wish I got some time in that tl12. All I did was put the bucket on, scoop up a hammer and load it on a trailer. First impression was really good. Bucket seemed smooth, but the steering seemed a little touchy. (again, 5 mins on seat time) the way they do the door is how they all should be. Certain tasks it's nice to run with the door open, can't do that on a cat or bobcat, plus it's nice that you can get out with out having the boom all the way down, or all the way up.

I've never ran a JD skid steer, but I'm not a fan at all. Ran alot of their green shit, and they were terrible. Dealer service sucks. 1 brand new 250 excavator, seemed sloppy or something? Even though they are made by Hitachi, which are good, I'm not sure. The almost new 524l loader I'm running is having a ton of issues with the joystick control.

Who makes their skid steers?

X's whatever on fuck foot controls. Maybe if all you run is that pos, it might be ok, but when you are used to dozers, loaders, ect, it's nice to have similar controls. Unless you're a fag who runs the other style joystick controls :flipoff2:
 
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aczlan said:
xfaxman over on TBN uses a Bobcat V417 telehandler for digging dirt, moving hay bales, moving trees (with a grapple or tree spade) and running a 7' hydraulic bush hog: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/bobcat-construction-equipment/160568-compact-telehandler.html
Seems to do well with it.

Aaron Z
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This. The Bobcat and JCB both have models that are specifically made for ground engagement.

Fuck, I forgot how much I wanted one of these.....teleskid:

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bgaidan said:
This. The Bobcat and JCB both have models that are specifically made for ground engagement.

Fuck, I forgot how much I wanted one of these.....teleskid:

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I looked into those and unfortunately they haven't dropped into my price range.

I will have to look into the mini telehandlers if they do in fact have one rated for ground engagement. I'd consider myself a pretty skilled operator on those and always though one with a bucket would be sweet. I've never seen one with auxiliary hydraulics running something like a brush hog or auger but if that's a possibility that would be sweet.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I can't think of a reason yet, but running a masticator head on one of those just seems wrong :flipoff2:
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I feel like a medium size excavator would be much more useful, having to turn the machine to move from side to side would get old QUICK
 
bgaidan said:
So that's at all UR locations on the same date? Do all the sales reps deal with used sales or just certain ones?

I never realized they did direct sales. I thought they just sent everything to auction. I wold have been bugging my reps a long time ago for deals!

I have a UR location right down the road from me and I deal with them all over the southeast/midatlantic for work. I'm in the market for a forklift or, more preferably a mini telehandler. Gonna have to keep my eyes open come November.


Speaking of that, if I were spending that kind of money on a machine, it would be something like this. Some brands come with high flow hyrdros and bobcat style quick connects so you can run most any skidsteer attachment. You can find them used for about the same money that OP is looking at.


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Yep, that sale is in most metro areas across the country. Call a local branch and they will have the info.
United has a large fleet of Takehuechi skids in different sizes. They have considerably less maintenance than most other brands from my experience and parts are not outrageous like some others. Buddy up to the service manager at the branch, most will shoot you staright. They are also a very stout machine- you can do a lot more work with a smaller machine with the frame and track design. I dont have a dog in the fight, just giving out some info. Most people have there own opinions about specific brands.
 
2big bronco said:
Hmm... totally different beast but...
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You'd have all the same benefits as the skidsteer, but the speed, efficiency, and maneuverability. Anytime you have to move your hands to change directions or steer from your operating controls, you will lose speed and efficiency. You'll get good at running it for what you want to do but you'll never be as fast or efficient as you would with the skidsteer, wheel or tracked type. Any time you have wheel steering, unless they turn exceptionally far in both directions or all 4 wheels steer, you will lose small area maneuverability. With steering wheels, you alter the direction of the machine travel from one end of the machine. 0 steer or what ever the technical term is for skidsteers turn from the center point of the machine. Which is what allows them to spin on a dime. Even with 4 wheel steer, your turning area is reduced but its still not turning from the center point of the machine. I know I'm not spouting mind shattering news here, but it'll be something you notice....a lot.

It will have the same low center of gravity and will work on slopes...sort of. Unless you are lifting a lot on a slope, it would be ok but you'll lose traction with the 4 tire ground connections points as opposed to the tracks. More or less, you would be able to traverse slopes but not necessarily be able to operate on slopes.

All in all, its bigger and probably a little heavier than the skidsteer option you are looking at. If all you want to do is grind the property clean, move some stuff around the property and dig a little dirt every now and then...its a pretty viable option. If you plan to move more dirt than you anticipate and in smaller areas, I would still go with the skidsteer because of the more condensed package it provides. You'd be able to to dig, shape and grade way more effectively with the skidsteer.

This is not the machine you would want to clean small lots with on the side to make money. Mostly due to the maneuverability, efficiency and digging differences.
 
Rooster831 said:
I feel like a medium size excavator would be much more useful, having to turn the machine to move from side to side would get old QUICK
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Yes, depending on what you're doing obviously. Not the best for moving dirt long distances. Also, not all excavators can run a masticator.
 
I just bought a 2015 cat 262D for $20900. $23k after tax. 2300 hrs. High flow, AC, seat heater, backup camera, and about 10 more buttons I don't know what they do. It's 8k lbs, and I can tow it with my half ton. No way I'd buy that monster for $40 freaking k.

(TLDRT)
 
jpmassey said:
I just bought a 2015 cat 262D for $20900. $23k after tax. 2300 hrs. High flow, AC, seat heater, backup camera, and about 10 more buttons I don't know what they do. It's 8k lbs, and I can tow it with my half ton. No way I'd buy that monster for $40 freaking k.

(TLDRT)
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Where'd you find this? Seems like a good deal, any special circumstances, liquidation, buddy deal?

I really wanted a $7k machine, a 20 year old 773 or something with 5k hours.

But, now I'm considering taking on a payment, getting a newer machine with a cab, thinking that I'll budget it as "cost per hour left inn machine life" or "billable hours" and if it has a cab, I'm willing to hire out year round

I don't think I'd buy OPs monster machine at that price, transporting it seems like a bear, too much effort
 
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Projectjunkie said:
Where'd you find this? Seems like a good deal, any special circumstances, liquidation, buddy deal?

I really wanted a $7k machine, a 20 year old 773 or something with 5k hours.
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Roller auction in Denver. https://bid.rollerauction.com/cgi-bi...ry/SKID-STEERS

I also seriously considered 3 bobcats at a Richie brothers auction last month. They went in the low 20s. They seemed a little beat up, and when I inspected them, each had something not working.

Look at auctiontime.com. There was a great looking bobcat 850 that went for $23k last month. I was tempted, but it was in Kansas, and I couldn't see it in person.
https://www.auctiontime.com/listings...d-steers-wheel

Just make sure to inspect in person. Most everything auctioned were rentals. Their condition can vary greatly depending on abuse.
 
Just want to add a kubota is the only skid/CTL worth owning due to the door design.

cant tell you how many times when I'm working by myself and hop in and out of the machine with the bucket halfway up. The swing door design is fucking dumb.
 
jpmassey said:
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Roller auction in Denver. https://bid.rollerauction.com/cgi-bi...ry/SKID-STEERS

I also seriously considered 3 bobcats at a Richie brothers auction last month. They went in the low 20s. They seemed a little beat up, and when I inspected them, each had something not working.

Look at auctiontime.com. There was a great looking bobcat 850 that went for $23k last month. I was tempted, but it was in Kansas, and I couldn't see it in person.
https://www.auctiontime.com/listings...d-steers-wheel

Just make sure to inspect in person. Most everything auctioned were rentals. Their condition can vary greatly depending on abuse.
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That looks like a score, I rented an open cab 262 a few months back, was a really nice machine
thanks for the info
It reminded me, a friend is a Cat mechanic in the rental dept of the local dealer, I think I need to see what happens with their machines when they get turnover
 
TRINDU said:
Just want to add a kubota is the only skid/CTL worth owning due to the door design.

cant tell you how many times when I'm working by myself and hop in and out of the machine with the bucket halfway up. The swing door design is fucking dumb.
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I don't disagree with the door dumbass design. Just playing with the cat for 30 minutes had me pissed at the door. 50% of the time, I shut the unit off, and bang the door against the bucket, and have to restart to lower the bucket 2".
FYI, the john deer door pulls up over your head.
 
TRINDU said:
Just want to add a kubota is the only skid/CTL worth owning due to the door design.

cant tell you how many times when I'm working by myself and hop in and out of the machine with the bucket halfway up. The swing door design is fucking dumb.
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My buddy who lives down the road just bought one to replace his mini JD skip loader, rubber tires suck around here. I haven't talked to him about it yet.

Like I mentioned, taco hoochis use the same type of door. I'm not sure why cat and bobcat haven't gone the same way.
 
jpmassey said:
I don't disagree with the door dumbass design. Just playing with the cat for 30 minutes had me pissed at the door. 50% of the time, I shut the unit off, and bang the door against the bucket, and have to restart to lower the bucket 2".
FYI, the john deer door pulls up over your head.
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I hate how the cat machines make you jump through hoops to start it. you can't just hop in and turn the key.
 
Door design it's just small shit you really dont think about, until you get it home and it pisses you off repeatedly in the first 30 minutes :laughing:

yes, tracks are superior until you have to pay for new ones. I wish there was a standard size to keep the price dropping.
 
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