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NY to ban natural gas in new construction.

Yeah. And I think it's a great idea.

If AECL wasn't a govcuck bunch of tax thieves they would have had this shit in production a long time ago, but nah, let's just keep trying to sell the 60 year old CANDU reactors. :homer:
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at least you get old breeder reactors
we get stupid fucking dinosaurs compared to your shitty shit
 
Electric resistance heat is 100% efficient; you get what you pay for. The beef is the cost of the electricity.

I'm not sure about your comparables... as far as btu-out vs electric-in. The wood/woodstove doesn't use anything electric unless you have a powered fan or electric chainsaw. :laughing:
Yup, wood stove is cheap.

And 100% is garbage for heat.
 
Just make sure you change all the orifices. Natural gas and propane are different. I only know this from people who live in mobile homes ordering gas appliances, then being upset not everyone refers to propane as gas.
just soldered up some orifices and redrilled smaller for a hangy furnace going from NG to LP

the pilot is still throwing off a big stupid yellow flame and if I adjust it down it doesn't reach the thermocouple
I'm just gonna leave the pilot doing bad things, it's only getting fed off of 100lbers with a barbecue grill reg lol
 
bro
at least you get old breeder reactors
we get stupid fucking dinosaurs compared to your shitty shit
my local unit is a BWR that has it's roots in the fucking 60's.

but instead of retiring it and building new shit so that it might be competitive with natrual gas we just had a bunch of bribery in the statehouse to get state subsidies tacked onto everyone's electricity bill.

it was fantastic.


which brings up another relevant point for new york. Are they aware that we're currently burning a shit ton of natural gas to generate electricity?
 
Yup, wood stove is cheap.
More importantly the Feds can't just shut it off because you wrote something mean about them on the FagBook.

Because that 100% is coming to all of you domestic terrorists.

I switched to wood heat for the house, fuel oil for the shop. Fuck 'em, my social credit score will be a negative number and I'll still be toasty warm.
 
I'll do some napkin calculations just for you

5 ton AC unit, draws 7kw, moves 60k btus worth of heat from the evap to the condenser
resistive heat is 3.41 btu per watt, so that means 17.6 Kw input to get the same 60k btu

17.6/7=2.51 so 251%

feel free to shove the long dick of thermodynamics right through any of that, I'm just a dummy with a shitty calculator

If that is true, it’s creating more energy than using… that doesn’t make sense. We should put heat pumps on every power plant to increase output by 250%….

And then add them to every EV to over double the range.
 
If that is true, it’s creating more energy than using… that doesn’t make sense. We should put heat pumps on every power plant to increase output by 250%….

And then add them to every EV to over double the range.
it's not creating more energy than it's using, it's using energy to move energy rather than just applying it directly to create heat.
the heat energy is coming from the outside air or the ground, you're just moving it indoors.
 
Doesn
my local unit is a BWR that has it's roots in the fucking 60's.

but instead of retiring it and building new shit so that it might be competitive with natrual gas we just had a bunch of bribery in the statehouse to get state subsidies tacked onto everyone's electricity bill.

it was fantastic.


which brings up another relevant point for new york. Are they aware that we're currently burning a shit ton of natural gas to generate electricity?
Doesn't matter, little bit at a time nobody will complain other than grumble about this, then just phase out carbon electricity because it doesn't even get used in the home, so nobody will think about it much.

Don't do it all at once, but in 50 years they can easily rebuild society. It's been done before and will be done again.
 
If that is true, it’s creating more energy than using… that doesn’t make sense. We should put heat pumps on every power plant to increase output by 250%….

And then add them to every EV to over double the range.
The point is we should be shying away from electric resistance and and everything whenever possible.

Banning gas and wood is the opposite of good for the environment
 
it's not creating more energy than it's using, it's using energy to move energy rather than just applying it directly to create heat.
the heat energy is coming from the outside air or the ground, you're just moving it indoors.

So they are great at hearing the house when it’s warm out. :flipoff2:

Overall, I hate em. They warm the air, they don’t heat it. Efficient may be true, but in my experience, they don’t make the house “feel” as warm as wood or gas. At least our electric rates are some of the lowest in the country here
 
Please explain the math because 200% efficiency means twice as much power out as you put in.
Calling people out about their EE and you don't even know how a heat pump works? :laughing:

You know how when it's cold outside, it feels cold? Just because it feels cold doesn't mean it has no heat. A heat pump essentially concentrates the heat in the outdoor air (or ground, or a lake) and pumps it indoors. 1 watt hour of electricity can easily extract 2+ watt hours worth of heat from the environment on a coldish day.
 
More importantly the Feds can't just shut it off because you wrote something mean about them on the FagBook.

Because that 100% is coming to all of you domestic terrorists.

I switched to wood heat for the house, fuel oil for the shop. Fuck 'em, my social credit score will be a negative number and I'll still be toasty warm.
yeah ya'll got some scary shit going on during the protests

now that the world ain't watching any more, are they going about rounding up and disappearing the political dissidents?
 
If that is true, it’s creating more energy than using… that doesn’t make sense. We should put heat pumps on every power plant to increase output by 250%….

And then add them to every EV to over double the range.
no, it isn't making heat, well it is making some heat but that's all inefficiency

it is moving heat from outdoors to indoors
think of a window A/C unit put in the window backwards so the hot goes in and the cold goes out
 
The way you throw words around with no clue what they mean is funny :laughing:

Check the temp of air coming out of a register in a heat pump against a gas furnace. The difference is noticeable. 85-90 out of the register in a heat pump and 110+ out of furnace.

Not like I’ve owned both or spent a lot of time with the HVAC company owner here in TN (or the two hvac engineers who are neighbors)

Regardless, each has their benefit and their place. I prefer gas/wood. But around here, heat pumps are the most common.
 
no, it isn't making heat, well it is making some heat but that's all inefficiency

it is moving heat from outdoors to indoors
think of a window A/C unit put in the window backwards so the hot goes in and the cold goes out

There should be a graph of their efficiency dropping as temp drops, correct?
 
well fuck, around here it's totally common to have a separate A/C and furnace
ain't no difference I can see from having a separate a/c and heating-specific heat pump

Uh… around there, heat pumps are rare as hens teeth. :flipoff2:
 
Check the temp of air coming out of a register in a heat pump against a gas furnace. The difference is noticeable. 85-90 out of the register in a heat pump and 110+ out of furnace.
And in both cases the air is being warmed and the air is being heated :laughing:

Heat pumps do indeed put out lower temperature air than the typical gas or electric furnace, which is not my favorite feature. But they do it over longer periods of time, so it still heats (and warms :laughing:) the house just fine.

My least favorite feature is that they're fairly complex mechanical machines. They're expensive to buy and to keep running. I'm in the process of replacing mine which is dead :frown:
 
well fuck, around here it's totally common to have a separate A/C and furnace
ain't no difference I can see from having a separate a/c and heating-specific heat pump
Cost would be the difference. Sure you could put two coils in the air handler and run two different heat pumps, but those fuckers are spensive!
 
And in both cases the air is being warmed and the air is being heated :laughing:

Heat pumps do indeed put out lower temperature air than the typical gas or electric furnace, which is not my favorite feature. But they do it over longer periods of time, so it still heats (and warms :laughing:) the house just fine.

My least favorite feature is that they're fairly complex mechanical machines. They're expensive to buy and to keep running. I'm in the process of replacing mine which is dead :frown:

We’re saying the same thing bug arguing because we’re saying the same thing.

We had to replace our unit with a smaller one after adding insulation and encapsulating the crawl… should have switched to propane….
 
Cost would be the difference. Sure you could put two coils in the air handler and run two different heat pumps, but those fuckers are spensive!
well, it wouldn't cost any more than two stupid simple A/C systems
which themselves I haven't priced out in a long time because I'm one to piece shit together from garbage that would otherwise be destined for the scrap yard

remember that all the complexity in the heat pump over a simple A/C is in the switching valve and control electronics
 
Uh… around there, heat pumps are rare as hens teeth. :flipoff2:
as we've gone over, because they're using the wrong refrigerant for MN cold
If they used the right refrigerant for winter they would not work in the summer as an air conditioner
 
well, it wouldn't cost any more than two stupid simple A/C systems
which themselves I haven't priced out in a long time because I'm one to piece shit together from garbage that would otherwise be destined for the scrap yard

remember that all the complexity in the heat pump over a simple A/C is in the switching valve and control electronics
Valid point. In fact the reversing valve died on mine. I opted to have it replaced. I opted wrong :frown:
 
There should be a graph of their efficiency dropping as temp drops, correct?
ain't so much efficiency dropping as they just stop working because the evaporator fills with liquid and resistive heat takes over
 
as we've gone over, because they're using the wrong refrigerant for MN cold
If they used the right refrigerant for winter they would not work in the summer as an air conditioner
It's not just that. The colder it is, the less heat there is to extract from the air, and the more work (KWH) it takes.
 
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