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Modern professionalism and work ethic - Am I getting old or??

Provience said:
Starvation builds compliance


Different strategies. Different results. Either way, decent amount of death
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Someone mentioned it earlier, we need a good recession to get employees off their asses and realize they need to produce and work. They can't just walk out the door and find another job within 15 minutes.
 
JD Mark said:
Someone mentioned it earlier, we need a good recession to get employees off their asses and realize they need to produce and work. They can't just walk out the door and find another job within 15 minutes.
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We aren't owed anything. We don't need anything :flipoff2:

Figure out your own life and let them fuck off wherever or whatever.
 
Bebop said:
Let's say I bite and follow you...
Are you saying that the current state of the workforce is 100% due to the younger generation itself and employers are 100% doing amazing?
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No, I'm not. But bitching about the employers is just jacking off into a ceiling fan. They will move when the money tells them to.
Unless you want the .gov to take them all over?

You can 100% control yourself and how you act in the world. You cannot say that about any company out there. Don't like it? Leave, go find something else. If you keep running into the same bad employer, maybe it's you?
 
JD Mark said:
Someone mentioned it earlier, we need a good recession to get employees off their asses and realize they need to produce and work. They can't just walk out the door and find another job within 15 minutes.
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So you're actively wanting a recession just to teach other people a lesson ?
You sound like preppers that are hopping that SHTF so they can justify their paranoia.
 
Bebop said:
So you're actively wanting a recession just to teach other people a lesson ?
You sound like preppers that are hopping that SHTF so they can justify their paranoia.
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We're already in one, have been.

Survival of the fittest...can't survive a recession, too bad.

Do I want one? No

Do youngsters need to learn they need to work in order to eat? Yes
 
IowaOffRoad said:
No, I'm not. But bitching about the employers is just jacking off into a ceiling fan. They will move when the money tells them to.
Unless you want the .gov to take them all over?
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Ok, I agree with you.
But you sound the same when you're talking about the younger generation. What you are doing by complaining is also jacking in a ceiling fan.

IowaOffRoad said:
You can 100% control yourself and how you act in the world. You cannot say that about any company out there. Don't like it? Leave, go find something else. If you keep running into the same bad employer, maybe it's you?
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That's where you're wrong. Or maybe you misunderstand my position.
I am just shinning a light on the situation. I'm working hard outside of my 9-5 because this brings in some rewards in my life.
I have no desire to go bigger in my 9-5. Why should I?
 
So while I'm complaining(I started the thread after all), I also don't see it as just GenZ's problem (or however you want to label them). They came from somewhere, and were brought up/taught by someone. Then there's the "it takes a village" thinking on raising children. If there's a problem with younger generations, it's on us to help them.

I've got some young guys here on my team that when they first got hired I chalked them up to being lazy. Then I noticed one of the guys would absolutely crush it on some of his side projects that he was interested in. I realized they just didn't understand the best way to play the game of work to get ahead. Today I had one of them offer up to stay late and put in some OT to test hardware that had nothing to do with him. Pretty stoked on that. It's on the people that get it to be patient leaders. I only wish areas outside my sphere of influence also felt the same way.
 
Bebop said:
Ok, I agree with you.



That's where you're wrong. Or maybe you misunderstand my position.
I am just shinning a light on the situation. I'm working hard outside of my 9-5 because this brings in some rewards in my life.
I have no desire to go bigger in my 9-5. Why should I?
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I don't remember this being about working a bunch of overtime, it was about showing up on time and doing your job while there.
Sandy Johnson said:
I'm a government employee. As such I've always felt that I worked in a pretty laid back environment compared to my previous jobs in the private sector. In the past due to bureaucracy, people taking time off, and holidays that no one else takes, we've always been the weakest link when it came to working with private sector vendors to complete a project or resolve an issue... At least, we used to be.

I'm in IT and we work with a lot of tech vendors. Big names like cisco, fortinet, crowdstrike, microsoft, etc., small installers, low voltage contractors, big time SAS vendors, you name it. Lately I've noticed a lot of people working at those contacts "phoning it in". They're less available than this here government employee with tons of banked vacation hours, extra holidays, and an aversion to scheduling meetings on a Friday afternoon. When they do actually produce something, generally the first attempt looks the like equivalent of something I would have tried to submit to a high school teacher after forgetting I had an assignment due until the morning of. Half of the time someone "technical" comes out to put in work on site, I end up having to redo what they half-assed, or walk them through something they should have researched before even showing up.

Am I getting cantankerous at only 43 years old or is the amount of effort people are putting into their occupations dropping over the last 5 years or so?
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Here's the OP
 
Bebop said:
We're talking about the shitty effort/benefit ratio in the workplace...
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Video game brain. Once the task is finished (game beaten) time for a new game. What? I gotta keep on playing the same dumb game to get paid?! No fuckin way... I'm out. :laughing:
 
Bebop said:
I have no desire to go bigger in my 9-5. Why should I?
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IowaOffRoad said:
I don't remember this being about working a bunch of overtime, it was about showing up on time and doing your job while there.

Here's the OP
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Ayup- all I'm asking for is C+ at minimum work to keep things running. Right now there seems to be a lot of D- work getting done. I dont' care if these guys don't want to be CEO one day or if they just want to make a wage so they can go on vacation with their family- that's fine. While they're at work though, at least make an effort to not accidentally burn the place down around them and leave it for someone else to pick up the pieces would be nice.
 
u2slow said:
Video game brain. Once the task is finished (game beaten) time for a new game. What? I gotta keep on playing the same dumb game to get paid?! No fuckin way... I'm out. :laughing:
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That's an interesting way to put it but it kinda fits. I like it.
I decided to open my LLC in order to play my own game.

Sandy Johnson said:
Ayup- all I'm asking for is C+ at minimum work to keep things running. Right now there seems to be a lot of D- work getting done. I dont' care if these guys don't want to be CEO one day or if they just want to make a wage so they can go on vacation with their family- that's fine. While they're at work though, at least make an effort to not accidentally burn the place down around them and leave it for someone else to pick up the pieces would be nice.
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Maybe the benefits from the workplace only warrant a D- employee ?
Why do you think they aren't firing all these D- guys ?
 
Sandy Johnson said:
So while I'm complaining(I started the thread after all), I also don't see it as just GenZ's problem (or however you want to label them). They came from somewhere, and were brought up/taught by someone. Then there's the "it takes a village" thinking on raising children. If there's a problem with younger generations, it's on us to help them.

I've got some young guys here on my team that when they first got hired I chalked them up to being lazy. Then I noticed one of the guys would absolutely crush it on some of his side projects that he was interested in. I realized they just didn't understand the best way to play the game of work to get ahead. Today I had one of them offer up to stay late and put in some OT to test hardware that had nothing to do with him. Pretty stoked on that. It's on the people that get it to be patient leaders. I only wish areas outside my sphere of influence also felt the same way.
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Gen x is a failure:flipoff2:
 
Bebop said:
Maybe the benefits from the workplace only warrant a D- employee ?
Why do you think they aren't firing all these D- guys ?
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I can tell you why.
Corporate culture dictates nobody gets fired because of liability (everyone sues)
Corporate culture also has a tendency to treat people as interchangeable.
 
There's a door in my government building down in the depths of one of our back hallways. It leads into an area where we help out the public. Someone put a bumper sticker on the door that says "No one is coming, it's up to us."

That pretty much summed up the realization I got when I stumbled into adulthood. I kinda whish more people would see that sticker. I know it's some meal team 6 wanna be operator website that puts them out, but the statement is still true.

Bebop said:
Maybe the benefits from the workplace only warrant a D- employee ?
Why do you think they aren't firing all these D- guys ?
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In my organization, we have let some of those people go. In my dealings with other companies in a professional capacity- I'm not sure. Some go, some don't.

My question back to you would be- why take the job if it sucks so bad? Why not leave and go elsewhere? I get it- monetary compensation right now isn't keeping up with inflation, but we're all in the same boat there.
 
IowaOffRoad said:
I can tell you why.
Corporate culture dictates nobody gets fired because of liability (everyone sues)
Corporate culture also has a tendency to treat people as interchangeable.
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Well that doesn't make sense.
If everyone is interchangeable, why don't you change the mediocre employee to find a new one?
Added bonus : Why are people bitching about immigrants (legal ones mind you) taking the jobs of "real Americans" when they are just better workers ?

Sandy Johnson said:
My question back to you would be- why take the job if it sucks so bad? Why not leave and go elsewhere? I get it- monetary compensation right now isn't keeping up with inflation, but we're all in the same boat there.
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Because it's enough to survive and going elsewhere isn't a guarantee of success in these uncertain times.
IE risk not worth the rewards.
Bitching is just part of it.
 
Bebop said:
Because it's enough to survive and going elsewhere isn't a guarantee of success in these uncertain times.
IE risk not worth the rewards.
Bitching is just part of it.
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Seems to me that it would be wise to try not to get fired from said job in these uncertain times then, no?
 
Sandy Johnson said:
My question back to you would be- why take the job if it sucks so bad? Why not leave and go elsewhere? I get it- monetary compensation right now isn't keeping up with inflation, but we're all in the same boat there.
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I don't think I know a single person who didn't stay at a job they hated , because of a LOT of reasons, most has to do with bills, and these kids have a LOT of bills, given the level of consumerism they are involved in and how hard it is to get a job in reality.
 
Bebop said:
Because we're all interchangeable, your personal attitude doesn't impact that outcome.
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Attitude is one thing. Not actually accomplishing what you're supposed to accomplish is another. My main complaint when I started this thread was that I noticed things slipping and not getting done.

They can be a dick to me all they want as long as they do their job.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Attitude is one thing. Not actually accomplishing what you're supposed to accomplish is another. My main complaint when I started this thread was that I noticed things slipping and not getting done.

They can be a dick to me all they want as long as they do their job.
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Again, if things don't get accomplished why not fire them then ?
 
Provience said:
Time fixes tolerance :flipoff2:
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:smokin:
Bebop said:
Maybe the benefits from the workplace only warrant a D- employee ?
Why do you think they aren't firing all these D- guys ?
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That’s how my current job is, not d- but more like c-

I’m not gunna cut the quality of my work, but I’m not gunna be busting my ass either. If my employer wants to pay b wages then he’s getting cuts somewhere. I’ll gladly bust my ass for a+ pay but since that aint happening he’s gunna keep getting A~ work on a D~ish timeframe (and seems to be ok with it).

I could go look for other work but I do like what I do, I just wish his boomer ass would understand that cost of living has skyrocketed and those of us actually making him money have bills to pay too. Until then, he gets what he pays for
 
Started my new job a year ago, and fully dig in to the integration of 3 platforms into one, analog info into digital and still at it.

We have an office manager that still can’t do pricing updates and 2 CSRs that can’t even open a new account. I self taught in 10 mins.

I have to stay in my bubble to not go crazy with the lack of competence throughout the building. And yes the incompetent employees still work here.

One manager says he’s to a tech guy and refuses to do his own work in the computer, but the GM allows it. Not a lot of fucks given any more.
 
IowaOffRoad said:
I can tell you why.
Corporate culture dictates nobody gets fired because of liability (everyone sues)
Corporate culture also has a tendency to treat people as interchangeable.
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Construction trades have that beat (but fall short in other ways.) The 'keepers' get kept from job to job, and the D- guys are culled every time a job winds down. No lawsuits.
 
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