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Modern professionalism and work ethic - Am I getting old or??

I expect at least a slight attention to detail. Because that is also required for the job.

I'm not talking rocket surgery here. But someone applying for a snow removal position that lives 2 hours away in good weather...seriously?
Snow removal....
That an pass a background check?
And a drug test?
And read an application?

I think your expectations are unrealistic.
 
Again more bias and not seeing what the problem is. I work side by side with people straight out of college and ones that are straight out of highschool and those are determinations I made talking with them, not some dumbass talking points (i.e barista and art history degree comments)
So do I. We have a bunch of those folks here, and at my previous manufacturing job. Don’t think you have unique insight here.
 
So do I. We have a bunch of those folks here, and at my previous manufacturing job. Don’t think you have unique insight here.
Well you obviously are not paying attention to what the problem actually is then or what they are telling you. Again with calling people socialists, illegals taking jobs, and useless degree comments.
 
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Snow removal....
That an pass a background check?
And a drug test?
And read an application?

I think your expectations are unrealistic.

So I won't be expecting an applications from the members here at IBB...got it.
 
I'm a government employee. As such I've always felt that I worked in a pretty laid back environment compared to my previous jobs in the private sector. In the past due to bureaucracy, people taking time off, and holidays that no one else takes, we've always been the weakest link when it came to working with private sector vendors to complete a project or resolve an issue... At least, we used to be.

I'm in IT and we work with a lot of tech vendors. Big names like cisco, fortinet, crowdstrike, microsoft, etc., small installers, low voltage contractors, big time SAS vendors, you name it. Lately I've noticed a lot of people working at those contacts "phoning it in". They're less available than this here government employee with tons of banked vacation hours, extra holidays, and an aversion to scheduling meetings on a Friday afternoon. When they do actually produce something, generally the first attempt looks the like equivalent of something I would have tried to submit to a high school teacher after forgetting I had an assignment due until the morning of. Half of the time someone "technical" comes out to put in work on site, I end up having to redo what they half-assed, or walk them through something they should have researched before even showing up.

Am I getting cantankerous at only 43 years old or is the amount of effort people are putting into their occupations dropping over the last 5 years or so?
That's why they all want to work remote and start crying when its decided to come back to the office. they 'work' so much better at home, blah blah blah. The ones bitching about returning to a office like they were orginally hired to do are generally the ones who don't do shit and are trying to protect thier job, because if a boss actually saw how little they did, they would likely get fired.
 
That's why they all want to work remote and start crying when its decided to come back to the office. they 'work' so much better at home, blah blah blah. The ones bitching about returning to a office like they were orginally hired to do are generally the ones who don't do shit and are trying to protect thier job, because if a boss actually saw how little they did, they would likely get fired.
The part that I don't get is when you get something awesome given to you like work from home, why the heck would you squander it? I partially worked from home(2 days a week in the office 3 days a week home) for 3 years before the app development side of the house ruined it for everyone and we all had to come back to the office. I'm a big proponent of outcomes based work. Basically- I don't give a crap what you're doing at home as long as all your goals and deliverables are met and you're responsive when someone needs to talk to you. It ain't hard. Just get your shit done and be reachable via cell/laptop during the 8 hours you're supposed to be working. Somehow that idea seemed lost on the younger guys- most making right around the six figure mark.

When I worked from home, I got all my shit done, and I got the bonus of getting to go to the gym during lunch, be changed with my bike loaded in my truck to ride when it was quitting time, and make my own lunch and breakfast in my own kitchen rather than drag in a bag of food or eat out. Shoot, my 15 minute break in the morning was me getting to walk my oldest kid to school. Can't beat that! My commute isn't long, but I was also saving on gas to and from the office 3 days a week. win/win/win. With all that, why wouldn't you make sure when the boss calls during work hours, you pick up the fawking phone?? Then those guys cried the loudest when remote work got canceled.
 
Biggest problem we have is people "applying" for an opening with zero relevant experience on a certain position that needs some relevant experience, but they have to fill UA requirements for applying to a job, so they apply for everything. And they want the pay that comes with that position, the top end of that pay.

The ones that do respond, seldom show up for the interview.
This right here is huge. UE requiring a certain amount of applications per week, so any time we have a non-CDL positions (and sometimes a CDL position) available, everyone and their mother is applying, even if they know they cannot do the job, just to keep the free money train on the tracks.
 
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Well you obviously not paying attention to what the problem actually is then or what they are telling you. Again with calling people socialists, illegals taking jobs, and useless degree comments.
You are making a lot of assumptions with your comments as well. You take what they say at 100% face value. They may believe what they are saying, but they are not right. They are not 100% wrong, but they are like the flat-earther that says "this is what I know, and what I've experiences, so this is why I'm right". Their mindset is socialist, it's what they grew up with. They want all the "experiences" without having to work to pay for them. They blame everything but themselves for their shitty work ethic and the shitty jobs they seem stuck in.

I sympathize with the idea that they've been lied to, I have little sympathy for those who are offered a better path and chose not to take it because it's hard. If they are so goddam smart then maybe they should try something different?

Its pretty simple. You will get nowhere by not trying. You still may get nowhere by trying, but if you try long enough and have your head up and your eyes open and are willing to adapt and change you have a much better path to success than doing nothing.

The "own nothing and be happy" crowd win when everyone gives up.

I straddle the materialist and experience generation. I got out of high school during the .com bust and college in the post-9/11 slowdown. I bought a house right before the housing bubble burst. I have every "right" to feel the way these people do and understand their mindset better than you do, because I'm roughly their age and have many of the same experiences. I don't have it even though I can understand it. Why? Because my lifelong democrat broke ex-farmer, mechanic, not a businessman dad (yes, all of that) still raised me to get up and go to work. We had nothing and had to earn everything. I knew I'd still have nothing if I didn't get up and work as hard as I possibly could, and even then I may not make it. I have the work ethic I do because another father figure in my life when I really needed one was an old-school football coach who didn't tolerate pansy's and you need to understand the difference between pain and hurt, and no matter what you get your ass back up and back to the line if its not the latter. I have the work ethic I do because, while I was full of myself because of my intelligence, I was just humble enough to realize after a couple of years working that nobody would pay me for what I knew unless I would also DO.

Too many of these asshats think that because they've been told how goddam special they were (which I was, a lot, by school growing up) that anybody who's paying them gives one fuck. If you can't DO, what are you worth? Nothing.

This is why I have 2 paid for properties, 4 kids, a wife who stays home, and plenty of experiences to show for it. I'm not making any of excuses for what more I could have, and if/when things get tough I'm going to be the one who makes it work. I'm not begging my employer for more money unless I've earned it, not giving them any less regardless of how much I make them. Because its good for ME. Because I put in the same effort at work as I do at play. Because I give my family the same attention that I do my job.

Excuses are like assholes; everyone has one and they all stink. (Thanks Coach Myers for saying that to us repeatedly, RIP)
 
You are making a lot of assumptions with your comments as well. You take what they say at 100% face value. They may believe what they are saying, but they are not right. They are not 100% wrong, but they are like the flat-earther that says "this is what I know, and what I've experiences, so this is why I'm right". Their mindset is socialist, it's what they grew up with. They want all the "experiences" without having to work to pay for them. They blame everything but themselves for their shitty work ethic and the shitty jobs they seem stuck in.

I sympathize with the idea that they've been lied to, I have little sympathy for those who are offered a better path and chose not to take it because it's hard. If they are so goddam smart then maybe they should try something different?

Its pretty simple. You will get nowhere by not trying. You still may get nowhere by trying, but if you try long enough and have your head up and your eyes open and are willing to adapt and change you have a much better path to success than doing nothing.

The "own nothing and be happy" crowd win when everyone gives up.

I straddle the materialist and experience generation. I got out of high school during the .com bust and college in the post-9/11 slowdown. I bought a house right before the housing bubble burst. I have every "right" to feel the way these people do and understand their mindset better than you do, because I'm roughly their age and have many of the same experiences. I don't have it even though I can understand it. Why? Because my lifelong democrat broke ex-farmer, mechanic, not a businessman dad (yes, all of that) still raised me to get up and go to work. We had nothing and had to earn everything. I knew I'd still have nothing if I didn't get up and work as hard as I possibly could, and even then I may not make it. I have the work ethic I do because another father figure in my life when I really needed one was an old-school football coach who didn't tolerate pansy's and you need to understand the difference between pain and hurt, and no matter what you get your ass back up and back to the line if its not the latter. I have the work ethic I do because, while I was full of myself because of my intelligence, I was just humble enough to realize after a couple of years working that nobody would pay me for what I knew unless I would also DO.

Too many of these asshats think that because they've been told how goddam special they were (which I was, a lot, by school growing up) that anybody who's paying them gives one fuck. If you can't DO, what are you worth? Nothing.

This is why I have 2 paid for properties, 4 kids, a wife who stays home, and plenty of experiences to show for it. I'm not making any of excuses for what more I could have, and if/when things get tough I'm going to be the one who makes it work. I'm not begging my employer for more money unless I've earned it, not giving them any less regardless of how much I make them. Because its good for ME. Because I put in the same effort at work as I do at play. Because I give my family the same attention that I do my job.

Excuses are like assholes; everyone has one and they all stink. (Thanks Coach Myers for saying that to us repeatedly, RIP)
Who says the current generation wants any of what you achieved? Their priorities are totally different, and IMO they are in the right space after watching the generations before me grind themselves into dust constantly working. Live for experiences now, because they have grown up in a world of constant emergency and the sky is falling daily. Hell I'm mid career and falling into that bucket as time goes on.
 
Who says the current generation wants any of what you achieved?
Because they constantly say they can't have it because... whatever the buzzword of the day is?
Their priorities are totally different,
They aren't different, they want many of the same things, they just want them NOW and are pissed nobody will just give it to them. You clearly are talking to them about how they waste their time when not at work, not what they WANT.
and IMO they are in the right space after watching the generations before me grind themselves into dust constantly working.
I guess you are part of the problem then? Why is dedicating your life to building something wrong? You wouldn't be typing this on whatever you are sending this on if it weren't for those who do that.
Live for experiences now, because they have grown up in a world of constant emergency and the sky is falling daily. Hell I'm mid career and falling into that bucket as time goes on.
This is because they are being lied to. The sky is not constantly falling, they are being fed that. You and them need to get out and touch some grass once in a while.
 
Because they constantly say they can't have it because... whatever the buzzword of the day is?

They aren't different, they want many of the same things, they just want them NOW and are pissed nobody will just give it to them. You clearly are talking to them about how they waste their time when not at work, not what they WANT.

I guess you are part of the problem then? Why is dedicating your life to building something wrong? You wouldn't be typing this on whatever you are sending this on if it weren't for those who do that.

This is because they are being lied to. The sky is not constantly falling, they are being fed that. You and them need to get out and touch some grass once in a while.
I think to discount the struggles of today is very short sighted.

How am I part of the problem again? Work for me is to pay for leisure activities outside of work, not work for something greater than myself of whatever corporate drivel you buy into. Reality check, the place where you work now will have you replaced within a week of departure and completely forget that you even existed within 2months. I take the same approach with them, yea I'll do what I'm told and work hard when I'm there, but I'm done overextending myself.

I'll also be wheeling while you are working OT the rest of the week and answering emails while your kids are playing around the house on the weekend:flipoff2:
 
I think to discount the struggles of today is very short sighted.
How many of those struggles are self-imposed by lifestyle choices?
How am I part of the problem again? Work for me is to pay for leisure activities outside of work, not work for something greater than myself of whatever corporate drivel you buy into. Reality check, the place where you work now will have you replaced within a week of departure and completely forget that you even existed within 2months. I take the same approach with them, yea I'll do what I'm told and work hard when I'm there, but I'm done overextending myself.
You are part of the problem because you are at a natural point in your life where these things are achievable and project that on the 20-something. Could you have done that at 20 or 25 and be where you are now?
I'll also be wheeling while you are working OT the rest of the week and answering emails while your kids are playing around the house on the weekend:flipoff2:
What makes you think I work AKnate hours?:flipoff2:
Seriously though, you get out of life what you put in.
 
Early 40s and test engineer. I've hung more than a few other hats though. What bearing does that have?

Helps understand weather or not your thoughts are valid in a current workforce context.
If you were 75 and retired for 20 years, I would give a lot less value to your opinion based on the fact it's not relevant anymore.

I'm an immigrant. Legal one, if that makes any difference.
I'm all for busting ass and achieving things. That how I went from nothing to a pretty good life in 8ish years.

I hear you when you say there are no consequences for slacking at work.
And while I don't necessarily disagree with you, I also see that the reward/incentive for busting ass isn't there.
 
How many of those struggles are self-imposed by lifestyle choices?

You are part of the problem because you are at a natural point in your life where these things are achievable and project that on the 20-something. Could you have done that at 20 or 25 and be where you are now?

What makes you think I work AKnate hours?:flipoff2:
Seriously though, you get out of life what you put in.
I have done zero career planning and accidently ended up where I am, so your talking to the wrong dude about what 20 something me would do now, BUT I was paying my own way out of college and still refused to work OT at an hourly job because I would much rather be doing something else and was consistently bucketed as high potential:flipoff2:
 
Work hard, play hard?

This book was PRE-COVID, but covid didn't make it any better, that is for sure.


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iGen: Why Today's Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy--and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood--and What That Means for the Rest of Us​

A highly readable and entertaining first look at how today’s members of iGen—the children, teens, and young adults born in the mid-1990s and later—are vastly different from their Millennial predecessors, and from any other generation, from the renowned psychologist and author of Generation Me.

With generational divides wider than ever, parents, educators, and employers have an urgent need to understand today’s rising generation of teens and young adults. Born in the mid-1990s to the mid-2000s and later, iGen is the first generation to spend their entire adolescence in the age of the smartphone. With social media and texting replacing other activities, iGen spends less time with their friends in person—perhaps why they are experiencing unprecedented levels of anxiety, depression, and loneliness.

But technology is not the only thing that makes iGen distinct from every generation before them; they are also different in how they spend their time, how they behave, and in their attitudes toward religion, sexuality, and politics. They socialize in completely new ways, reject once sacred social taboos, and want different things from their lives and careers. More than previous generations, they are obsessed with safety, focused on tolerance, and have no patience for inequality. iGen is also growing up more slowly than previous generations: eighteen-year-olds look and act like fifteen-year-olds used to.

As this new group of young people grows into adulthood, we all need to understand them: Friends and family need to look out for them; businesses must figure out how to recruit them and sell to them; colleges and universities must know how to educate and guide them. And members of iGen also need to understand themselves as they communicate with their elders and explain their views to their older peers. Because where iGen goes, so goes our nation—and the world.
 
But technology is not the only thing that makes iGen distinct from every generation before them; they are also different in how they spend their time, how they behave, and in their attitudes toward religion, sexuality, and politics. They socialize in completely new ways, reject once sacred social taboos, and want different things from their lives and careers. More than previous generations, they are obsessed with safety, focused on tolerance, and have no patience for inequality. iGen is also growing up more slowly than previous generations: eighteen-year-olds look and act like fifteen-year-olds used to.

As this new group of young people grows into adulthood, we all need to understand them: Friends and family need to look out for them; businesses must figure out how to recruit them and sell to them; colleges and universities must know how to educate and guide them. And members of iGen also need to understand themselves as they communicate with their elders and explain their views to their older peers. Because where iGen goes, so goes our nation—and the world.

Thank goodness I'm as close to retiring as I am.

If they're so freaking tolerant, why don't they learn how to deal with older generations?
 
Thank goodness I'm as close to retiring as I am.

If they're so freaking tolerant, why don't they learn how to deal with older generations?
It's just communism in the kids, victim of state education and dual income household. Decades of media radicalization.


Oddly enough, covid and the 2020-2022 Floyd summer if love riots did more to push people back than anything. Well, opposite reaction, did a shit ton of laws and expansion of collectivism etc
 
Part of the result of generations being told they have to go to college is that almost everyone who isn't a fuck-up did.

And a result of this is that people like Slander wind up dealing with people who are capable of shit like following instructions and seeing the big picture while some guy in Iowa has to hand hold the most bottom of the barrel employees through nutting the white wire to the other white wire or peeling floor mats out of a mold for just enough hours a week to go buy some more weed.
 
We think the 40 and under crowd are a different animal than the people who came before. They are not.

They have the same basic needs: Food, shelter, security
They have the same basic wants: Fun, fucking, and money for both

Depending on their age, their needs are met by helicopter parents or daddy .gov, or their own work.
Depending on their age, their wants are paid for by helicopter parents or whatever BS job they come up with.

What everyone forgets is there are certain needs or wants that nobody articulates to them, or shames them for, or has told them is old fashioned.

Men want to be useful and desirable to the opposite sex. Most do this through a job where they acquire a skillset that others recognize as useful. This is why the late teens-early 20s is so stressful for them. It should come as no surprise that men in this age bracket have high depression rates.
Women want to nurture, have families, and be desirable to the opposite sex. They want to be desirable enough to get a man who is economically at their level or higher, because deep-down women are more practical than men, and no matter how much feminism has attempted to beat it out of them they know that they need someone who has the ability to take care of them and their children. They know it emotionally even if they can't articulate it or even deny it.
For both of these the psychological literature is clear: Forget what they tell you, they mainly just parrot what everyone else says.
Men who develop no skills have low testosterone, have low self-worth, and are more likely to engage in group criminal behavior as well as terrorism as it gives them a sense of power and belonging.
Women who shun relationships and family typically do well (career-wise) until 30-35, then they go fucking nuts because their body is telling them they've thrown away their life. They also typically have their emotional health medicalized by their mid-20s, if not sooner.

Just because the status quo is what it is at the moment with regard to this age group, doesn't mean that its good for society at large or them as individuals.

Rudyard Kipling

As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!


Understand what this means and you will understand why things are the way they are, the old truths are still true, and you will make yourself miserable trying to live your life outside of accordance with the basic principles we all understood.
 
We think the 40 and under crowd are a different animal than the people who came before. They are not.

They have the same basic needs: Food, shelter, security
They have the same basic wants: Fun, fucking, and money for both

Depending on their age, their needs are met by helicopter parents or daddy .gov, or their own work.
Depending on their age, their wants are paid for by helicopter parents or whatever BS job they come up with.

What everyone forgets is there are certain needs or wants that nobody articulates to them, or shames them for, or has told them is old fashioned.

Men want to be useful and desirable to the opposite sex. Most do this through a job where they acquire a skillset that others recognize as useful. This is why the late teens-early 20s is so stressful for them. It should come as no surprise that men in this age bracket have high depression rates.
Women want to nurture, have families, and be desirable to the opposite sex. They want to be desirable enough to get a man who is economically at their level or higher, because deep-down women are more practical than men, and no matter how much feminism has attempted to beat it out of them they know that they need someone who has the ability to take care of them and their children. They know it emotionally even if they can't articulate it or even deny it.
For both of these the psychological literature is clear: Forget what they tell you, they mainly just parrot what everyone else says.
Men who develop no skills have low testosterone, have low self-worth, and are more likely to engage in group criminal behavior as well as terrorism as it gives them a sense of power and belonging.
Women who shun relationships and family typically do well (career-wise) until 30-35, then they go fucking nuts because their body is telling them they've thrown away their life. They also typically have their emotional health medicalized by their mid-20s, if not sooner.

Just because the status quo is what it is at the moment with regard to this age group, doesn't mean that its good for society at large or them as individuals.

Rudyard Kipling

As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!


Understand what this means and you will understand why things are the way they are, the old truths are still true, and you will make yourself miserable trying to live your life outside of accordance with the basic principles we all understood.

This is all fine and dandy, but that doesn't address the discussion we're having.
We're talking about the shitty effort/benefit ratio in the workplace and you're blabing about feminism.
 
Part of the result of generations being told they have to go to college is that almost everyone who isn't a fuck-up did.

And a result of this is that people like Slander wind up dealing with people who are capable of shit like following instructions and seeing the big picture while some guy in Iowa has to hand hold the most bottom of the barrel employees through nutting the white wire to the other white wire or peeling floor mats out of a mold for just enough hours a week to go buy some more weed.
I think I agree with this? I think you missed a couple of word choices (negative for positive) but in context I believe I get it. Though your assumptions about what I deal with are a bit skewed. Remember, these are college-educated engineers who need told how to follow a wiring diagram to hook up a module:flipoff2:

Don't let my disappointment fool you, we have (what I believe are) a disproportional level of good young folks where I currently work. The ones who have their shit somewhat together and realize that they are still empty vessels that will never be filled, and they can take themselves as far as they'd like, those young folks I really enjoy. But from what I read here and see elsewhere, the nature of our work must cull out a lot of chaff.
 
We think the 40 and under crowd are a different animal than the people who came before. They are not.

...blah, blah, blah....

Just because the status quo is what it is at the moment with regard to this age group, doesn't mean that its good for society at large or them as individuals.
You're soooo close but you're just too dumb to put two and two together.

The status quo changes with time, to some degree.

Younger generations and some in the 30-40 age range don't value busting their ass (for any reason) the way the old farts did. And they don't care what you think so your whining falls on def ears.
 
This is all fine and dandy, but that doesn't address the discussion we're having.
We're talking about the shitty effort/benefit ratio in the workplace and you're blabing about feminism.
Yes it does, I'm not satisfied with just bagging on the kids, I like to understand what is behind it.
In the spirit of brevity, you probably could have just posted Maslow's pyramid and been done with it.
Fuck you, I'm going to either max out the character limit in every post or I'm going to post the same thing, one post per sentence!:flipoff2:
You're soooo close but you're just too dumb to put two and two together.

The status quo changes with time, to some degree.

Younger generations and some in the 30-40 age range don't value busting their ass (for any reason) the way the old farts did. And they don't care what you think so your whining falls on def ears.
You are too full of yourself to see the big picture. 'Tis to be expected from a naval-gazing narcissist
 
Yes it does, I'm not satisfied with just bagging on the kids, I like to understand what is behind it.
Let's say I bite and follow you...
Are you saying that the current state of the workforce is 100% due to the younger generation itself and employers are 100% doing amazing?
 
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