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Modern professionalism and work ethic - Am I getting old or??

This is why some companies are pulling back on work from home. It has definitely been taken advantage of.

In my industry another cause is the fact that it’s been an employee market since Covid started. You can’t afford to fire anyone because there’s nobody to replace them and they all know that.

We really need an economic reset to get things back to normal.
 
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Splib said:
I have been involved with drilling since I walked out of the door with my degree. Private, oilfield, private, my own company and then 21 years of State work ended up managing an entire "Foundation Drilling" branch with 13 crews out on the slab or whatever.

WHAT THE FUCK IS DEP ???

Department of Environmental Pussy ?

DumbAss Ended Poorly ?

Douche Entry Portal ?

Spell your shit out at least once so someone, anyone, has at least a chance at a tiny clue of what the fuck you are talking about.

I have more :lmao::lmao::lmao:
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Double entry penis work?
 
Animalmother said:
Double entry penis work?
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Lets try that on and see how it fits:
Archer said:
After many years of doing double entry penis work I know I'm about fed up with the state and just about wanna tell them to pound sand and find someone else who will put up with it. Can't speak about other areas but around here it's getting hard for double entry penis to find drillers willing to work under their bullshit.
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eh.. 5/10
 
All of our engineers and sales and all the other “work from home” people seem to let their job get in the way of fucking off somewhere or relaxing on the couch. Its a fucking miracle if i can get someone on the horn during business hours if I need something.
 
Tin Roof said:
This is why some companies are pulling back on work from home. It has definitely been taken advantage of.

In my industry another cause is the fact that it’s been an employee market since Covid started. You can’t afford to fire anyone because there’s nobody to replace them and they all know that.

We really need an economic reset to get things back to normal.
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Yes yes and yes.

Although my industry was never work from home.
 
Guessing Department of Environmental Protection, mostly based on his mention of drilling.


Covid apathy is a thing. But also seeing too much work, no one applying for work, leaving people trying to juggle too much and deciding what takes priority and what can be ignored/delayed. It can seem like slackassin on the other end of the email, when it is really the opposite.
 
I don't work with strangers. all the major vendors and small companies, I have vetted their people and have a relationship with them that matches my attitude toward things. My phrase with people that I work with is 'everyone gets to eat steak' which is to say, if we operate at equal values, this for that, you will do well, I will do well, we'll cooperate, kick ass and we can both afford to eat steak.

Vendors like the fortinet lady, would get the shit stomped out of her, and I'd escalate until I got to someone who matched my commitment.

You mentioned you work to live. I've never been like that. I have always been very committed to my work and I've always worked on things that really mattered to me. I am invested in the work personally. To that end, most of my vendors and I become friends. If they aren't as committed as me, I go looking for someone who is.

It took me 5 years at my current gig to weed out the shitbirds. I never have to crack the whip anymore, everyone knows what we need and how to do it.

It is true that pressure makes diamonds, and that you only REALLY find out who people are when things go wrong, but it is stupid to just do business with people without really trying to make sure they won't disappear when the shit happens.

Now, all my business relationships are friendly and we all keep it real. I'm amazed when people put up with bullshit and think it is a trend. People have done a shitty job forever... if you let them.

We just finished a very complex and interdependent project with multiple organizations who are bureaucratic and retarded... the other organizations specialize in politics and misinformation. Because all my tech vendors are cool and stay on shit, we were able to get everything going and set despite them. This ONLY works if you spend time finding the right folks to work with. Let the rest of the world complain about the workforce. Instead, there are plenty of good companies and people within those companies to kick ass and have fun while accomplishing great stuff.

Don't take it Sandy. There is always someone above them who will finally give a shit and/or on the bid proposal evaluations, we have 20% of the evaluation 'we have a successful and positive work experience with this vendor'.... if they are 'off' at 5 and don't come in til '9' but are suggesting off hours tests.. give them a zero. fuck them. When you vet the company ask all these things, get them in writing but more importantly, sit with them, in a room and look into their eyes... 'will they be there?' if you can't tell... fuck'em.

Don't accept shitty work. It is amazing how quickly things change when you stop accepting less. The challenge will be that you have to be more committed to what you do in order to achieve that. There is the rub. as they say.
 
NakedJeep said:
I lead a bunch of nerds that do tech support for Micrsoft Entra (via a delivery partner so not for Microsoft money).
Nobody under 30 is working hard.
They have long lists of things that suck and why they aren't making more money.
Sadly, their own name is never on the list.
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I have to say I have a deep hate for the microsoft cloud support guys. Most times it's an issue microsoft is having on their end and I am looking for some confirmation and maybe an eta for a resolution that I can pass on to our people. Instead they have to "investigate the issue" and then email me back again 2 days later to say the 1 hour long incident was an issue Microsoft was having and is now resolved. No shit sherlock.

Also the call quality sucks every single damn time I have to talk to one of them on the phone.
 
I understand both sides honestly. I don't have it in me to not work hard. Always been like that, my whole dad's side of the family is the same way. But, it's never paid off either and I've been working since I was 16. Current job is leaps and bounds better than any other I've had and is going the right direction but hard work didn't land me in it either.

Looking at what young people are facing starting out, I get why so many are jaded and just don't give a fuck. The economy is a complete dumpster fire and the cost of living is insane. I make close to six figures and it feels like when I was making $15 an hour a decade ago. Can't imagine starting out now when beater cars are $5k+ or your other option is financing some 200k mile piece of shit for $15k+ at god awful interest rates. Most employers, especially management who tend to be older are completely out of touch with the realities of what the current cost of living is like. Bedrooms for rent with random people are $1000+ now, 400 sq ft shitbox apartments are $2k+, food and utilities are through the roof even if you're splitting them with room mates. Even if you can manage to get by, it leaves basically no room for savings or any sort of safety net. Most people are a missed paycheck away from facing homelessness and that shit wears on you big time mentally.

The youth have no real incentive to work in their teens anymore either. A summer job isn't even close to buying you a car anymore and even if you can swing one good luck with fuel and insurance prices. Everything teens used to have to do for fun has disappeared as well. Everywhere I used to go for fun in high school is closed. Hell you can't even go to Walmart late at night if you're bored anymore. The bottom rung of the ladder keeps getting higher and higher and we wonder why kids today don't give a shit about anything.
 
gladman said:
Don't take it Sandy. There is always someone above them who will finally give a shit and/or on the bid proposal evaluations, we have 20% of the evaluation 'we have a successful and positive work experience with this vendor'.... if they are 'off' at 5 and don't come in til '9' but are suggesting off hours tests.. give them a zero. fuck them. When you vet the company ask all these things, get them in writing but more importantly, sit with them, in a room and look into their eyes... 'will they be there?' if you can't tell... fuck'em.

Don't accept shitty work. It is amazing how quickly things change when you stop accepting less. The challenge will be that you have to be more committed to what you do in order to achieve that. There is the rub. as they say.
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Figured out it was fortinet huh? I guess it was pretty obvious in my rant. Maybe my issue is layers of government BS in that case. We've got 2 HA paired firewalls and some core switches that actually get funded by a larger state agency for us. They do this for state organizations all across California, and while we could choose to pay our own way, the savings is too good. Anyway, this agency contracts a managed security services vendor provider to support that hardware(the 1st and 2nd tier support guys I talked to). They handle the support contracts on our hardware, so even though I knew the firewall was dead, I couldn't RMA it myself through fortinet. It's under a special contract. This is also why I can't talk to fortinet directly, and this dude has to get a fortinet engineer on a conference call instead. Basically, that lady sucked, but I can't do shit about it because the vendor is actually their customer, not me.

I did go back and let the managed security services guys know that whole thing sucked. I'm still technically not the entity paying their bills, but I'm kinda-sorta their customer.

We have two other sites with fortinet firewalls and my government rep over there has been awesome.

It just seems like there are more and more people not giving enough of a fawk to be successful at what they're doing. I've got more stories like these about other aspects of the industry, and damn it's getting hard to find reliable people anymore.
 
Motorcharge said:
The bottom rung of the ladder keeps getting higher and higher and we wonder why kids today don't give a shit about anything.
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don't you worry one little bit, we're gonna print some more money in order to combat the inflation
along with a bunch of horseshit programming about how capital accumulation is only for the owners of the world, not for the peasants
(and other such things that allow Ralphie to claim that he's helping)
 
I became a little less motivated this week learning a coworker received a 30k bonus in q4 a previous year.

Same job, same position, same pay, different products and different quotas (mine is significantly higher). It’s not their fault… it’s head offices fault. He played the game and won.

I still haven’t got my annual quota for 2024 and we are in Q2… I have an idea of where I’m supposed to be but come on…
 
total newb said:
At the mill you either last 2 days, 2 months, or 20years.

People are more concerned with getting fucking high and paid than doing a job, even minimaly correct.
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I was sitting with some coworkers and we were talking how besides the old core group nobody lasts over a year. The one chick pipes up, my anniversary date is this week. An hour later fired and escorted to her car in tears. I'm sure the manager overheard her and thought it was a great joke.
 
I have a hierarchy of response time.

You call you get me immediately.

Text you get me when I check my phone, could be immediately, could be an hour or 2

An email…. I’ll check it before i leave, and I’ll get back to you when I return to the office.

I had a guy I quoted a job 2 years ago contact me today to see if a price was still good.
I had my supervisor get pissy when I didn’t immediately respond to the guy.
I sent the quote in 2022, no it’s not good, and it’ll take a week to get a new quote optimistically.
That shit is not high on my importance radar for a drop
Everything you’re doing and respond immediately.

I think with the volume of information we receive, important shit gets mixed in with the trash sometimes too.

Plus, when everything is an emergency, nothing is an emergency.
 
Bebop said:
I stopped caring at work.

I'll match the effort of the general level that's needed for me to be slightly above the masses and get my full bonus and rate increase, then go home and put my energy into projects that will grow my personal skillset, make me money or let me enjoy life.
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I think this has become commonplace since Covid….
 
Bebop said:
I stopped caring at work.

I'll match the effort of the general level that's needed for me to be slightly above the masses and get my full bonus and rate increase, then go home and put my energy into projects that will grow my personal skillset, make me money or let me enjoy life.
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Pretty much this
 
:lmao::lmao::lmao: You of all people telling someone to spell it out so others can understand what your spewing :lmao::lmao::lmao:


Edit, I'm talking water wells, and you only have another 30 years to catch up...:stirthepot:


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Sandy Johnson said:
I'm a government employee. As such I've always felt that I worked in a pretty laid back environment compared to my previous jobs in the private sector. In the past due to bureaucracy, people taking time off, and holidays that no one else takes, we've always been the weakest link when it came to working with private sector vendors to complete a project or resolve an issue... At least, we used to be.

I'm in IT and we work with a lot of tech vendors. Big names like cisco, fortinet, crowdstrike, microsoft, etc., small installers, low voltage contractors, big time SAS vendors, you name it. Lately I've noticed a lot of people working at those contacts "phoning it in". They're less available than this here government employee with tons of banked vacation hours, extra holidays, and an aversion to scheduling meetings on a Friday afternoon. When they do actually produce something, generally the first attempt looks the like equivalent of something I would have tried to submit to a high school teacher after forgetting I had an assignment due until the morning of. Half of the time someone "technical" comes out to put in work on site, I end up having to redo what they half-assed, or walk them through something they should have researched before even showing up.

Am I getting cantankerous at only 43 years old or is the amount of effort people are putting into their occupations dropping over the last 5 years or so?
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Quiet quiting...
You're a few years late but it's a real thing.

And we're getting old and the next generations don't value the same shit.
 
I work at a mine camp, I'm not that old at 39. We work 12's though most days only really spend 6-8 hours a day on our tools. The only reason you aren't getting a good night's sleep is because you didn't get off the phone with your wife/ girlfriend. It's dry and most of us live at work so you aren't hung over. It's amazing how much the younger generations drag when they don't get a good night's sleep or we actually have to turn wrenches for 12+ hours with a quick sandwich break in the drift mid repair. I remember the days of drinking all night, getting maybe 4 hours of sleep and busting your ass at work so the boss didn't know you were out partying the night before. Where the fuck is the hustle we used to have?
 
Was listening to a podcast and they were talking about zoom meetings and emails, and how now it is way to easy for people to hold meetings, or to send out emails tasking shit to other people who are already busy and overloaded. Since there is no face to face, its all just eating up time, and nothing gets done.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
I'm a government employee. As such I've always felt that I worked in a pretty laid back environment compared to my previous jobs in the private sector. In the past due to bureaucracy, people taking time off, and holidays that no one else takes, we've always been the weakest link when it came to working with private sector vendors to complete a project or resolve an issue... At least, we used to be.

I'm in IT and we work with a lot of tech vendors. Big names like cisco, fortinet, crowdstrike, microsoft, etc., small installers, low voltage contractors, big time SAS vendors, you name it. Lately I've noticed a lot of people working at those contacts "phoning it in". They're less available than this here government employee with tons of banked vacation hours, extra holidays, and an aversion to scheduling meetings on a Friday afternoon. When they do actually produce something, generally the first attempt looks the like equivalent of something I would have tried to submit to a high school teacher after forgetting I had an assignment due until the morning of. Half of the time someone "technical" comes out to put in work on site, I end up having to redo what they half-assed, or walk them through something they should have researched before even showing up.

Am I getting cantankerous at only 43 years old or is the amount of effort people are putting into their occupations dropping over the last 5 years or so?
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I have been in IT for long enough that you would have been one of those lazy snot nosed kids. 1st job fixing computers was in the mid 80s and it wasn't my first job... ;)

That said, you are not wrong. But it isn't just IT, it is just evident more in situations where the work is not done in a specific location like a manufacturing floor, and even those tasks are getting shittier.

The outsourcing of everything is just another way to pass the buck and play the blame game. I have been watching it happen for 20+ years and it is just more obvious now. If we outsource, it is someone else's fault. And when I as an outsourced resource come in, I can get away with shitty work because it is not my shit to deal with later, so fuck it now and do as little as possible.

It is the abdication of personal responsibility. Nothing more and nothing less.
 
barrelroll said:
I work at a mine camp, I'm not that old at 39. We work 12's though most days only really spend 6-8 hours a day on our tools. The only reason you aren't getting a good night's sleep is because you didn't get off the phone with your wife/ girlfriend. It's dry and most of us live at work so you aren't hung over. It's amazing how much the younger generations drag when they don't get a good night's sleep or we actually have to turn wrenches for 12+ hours with a quick sandwich break in the drift mid repair. I remember the days of drinking all night, getting maybe 4 hours of sleep and busting your ass at work so the boss didn't know you were out partying the night before. Where the fuck is the hustle we used to have?
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The hustle left when wages never kept up with inflation. If I was making the equivalent of the 80s or 90s I'd be working like aknate eating cold cans of soup one bite at a time at the tool box grabbing tools.

On top of that the jobs want me to output the same amount of work of 3 people and guess what happens when I meet that amount of work? I get the work of 4 or 5 people as a reward with no increase in pay and nobody gets hired to help out.

Why would they spend the money to hire someone else they got some dumbass doing the work of x amount of people for 1 persons wage.
 
I'm the same age and I agree, but I work with both the younger generation and some older folk's who just started making good money. Large Aircraft Manufacturer.... Lately, both groups are pining for upgrades without putting the time in, in my opinion. Two of our younger folks got pissed because management hired someone new from out of state, and that required an upgrade (in level) so that the position included moving expenses. Now those two are on the warpath to upgrade a level as a result.

I'm at a higher level, put in the time and learned the job and now their upgrade expectations are affecting my performance it seems. I'm a good coach, advocate and teacher for these people, but you have to put the work in in my humble opinion. It's been so bad lately, I've been looking for work else-ware, closer to home. They want the money but just don't want to work.
 
Motorcharge said:
I understand both sides honestly. I don't have it in me to not work hard. Always been like that, my whole dad's side of the family is the same way. But, it's never paid off either and I've been working since I was 16. Current job is leaps and bounds better than any other I've had and is going the right direction but hard work didn't land me in it either.

Looking at what young people are facing starting out, I get why so many are jaded and just don't give a fuck. The economy is a complete dumpster fire and the cost of living is insane. I make close to six figures and it feels like when I was making $15 an hour a decade ago. Can't imagine starting out now when beater cars are $5k+ or your other option is financing some 200k mile piece of shit for $15k+ at god awful interest rates. Most employers, especially management who tend to be older are completely out of touch with the realities of what the current cost of living is like. Bedrooms for rent with random people are $1000+ now, 400 sq ft shitbox apartments are $2k+, food and utilities are through the roof even if you're splitting them with room mates. Even if you can manage to get by, it leaves basically no room for savings or any sort of safety net. Most people are a missed paycheck away from facing homelessness and that shit wears on you big time mentally.

The youth have no real incentive to work in their teens anymore either. A summer job isn't even close to buying you a car anymore and even if you can swing one good luck with fuel and insurance prices. Everything teens used to have to do for fun has disappeared as well. Everywhere I used to go for fun in high school is closed. Hell you can't even go to Walmart late at night if you're bored anymore. The bottom rung of the ladder keeps getting higher and higher and we wonder why kids today don't give a shit about anything.
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This is a lot closer to the truth than a lot of people on this site are willing to admit.

You have two, soon to be three, generations that have only been told that hard work pays off. But all they have seen is the opposite. Work hard and no pay off.

Things like people leaving, not being replaced, their work getting split up, and no accompanying pay raise to go with increased the workload and responsibilities. Or social media promoting bums who live off of taxpayers. Or once affordable hobbies become unaffordable or unavailable. Or fix one emergency, get handed ten more and asked why you are not putting out perfect work for every bandaid. Or older generations staying in the workplace increasingly longer, causing an ever increasing backlog of promotions. And when a promotion spot opens up? It does not get filled with someone from within the company. Or being expected to be reachable afterhours. Or schools and colleges relaxing requirements.

Millennials bought it hook, line, and sinker and are questioning it. Gen Z, the oldest of whom are 26, saw this happen, graduated highschool or college into covid, and are now saying hold on a moment, something is very wrong. Gen Alpha sees all this through the window they are licking and decides becoming an digital prositute onlyfans creater pays better.

And yes, there are a number of delusional wimps out there. But try to see the forest through a couple of rainbow colored trees.
 
To add more to this ^, I’ll say I first became jaded about four years ago when I realized I was just a number.

Previous job… literally built the place, constructed shelving and put the greenfield order away. Let go after four years in the middle of Covid “because your position is no longer required”. Come to find out the new shitty sales manager (who was fired after a year and a half) hired a new sales person he used to work with at his old company (they were both fired from the prior years apart)

That was the nail in the coffin for me… I became a number on a spreadsheet in the middle of the pandemic when people weren’t hiring… all with a newborn at home and my wife off work for maternity leave.

I put in a lot of unpaid OT as a salaried employee and was walked. I learned earlier that job hopping boosts your salary versus time…

One stepping stone later… I boosted my pay over 50% from 2020. Took the current position May of 2021 and have been here since.

There are many perks with pension matching etc. and even though I was bitching about my quota in a previous post it is a good career.

Was talking to a customer yesterday who can barely pay his staff on time (just took
money from a loan shark)… he was bitching about a guy that shows up one minute before his shift and clocks out no later than a minute after his shift ends and the owner of the business is pissed off the employee doesn’t do any extra work for him… for free? Like are you kidding?!
 
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