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Aisin said:
It’s not always about the numbers. What most doctors say is fine isn’t. The VA will not give you T replacement unless your body isn’t making any for the most part.
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The VA won't look into it at all unless you ask, and you won't be referred for treatment until you get below 230 total T.:shaking:
 
Making me want to go get a test done. 47 year olds
My junk still works great, but my workouts, and motivation have been a battle the last few years. Not gaining strength, basically just maintaining and any slip up in diet and I am putting on pounds easy.

Would love to feel some more energy, muscle gain and get some good sleep. I am always tired.
 
DRTDEVL said:
The VA won't look into it at all unless you ask, and you won't be referred for treatment until you get below 230 total T.:shaking:
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One more reason I do not go to the VA.
 
DRTDEVL said:
I go there for just about everything due to the zero copay and zero out of pocket costs I incur as a 100% DV... nothing states I cannot seek treatment elsewhere for other conditions they don't want to touch.
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My dad is a Vietnam veteran. He only goes to the VA for his flu shot.
 
I felt this should be re-posted
not long ago "normal" was something like 400-1200?

Two things driving it,

1) Pussy doctors and just general lack of knowledge on diet and physical conitioning

2) Pussy population,
average man is carrying less because of how they grow up, little to no activity. and microplastics, ultra processed foods etc...
Mine was in the low 400's at 32 yrs old
I checked it 7 yrs later at 39 after changing my eating habits and weight training regularly starting 7 yrs ago, it was near 600...
Apply that logic in reverse to your average man 30 yrs ago. Nothing but video games as kids, computers as adults..

Cholesterol "normal" has been trending down since the early 70's, used to i think 270ish was normal, yet heart disease is higher than ever. Guessing a large percentage of the people in the "normal" range are medicated with statins which drives the "normal" down. Doing things to lower your cholesterol like the .gov wants you to do hurts your test level also, including statins.
 
Levigarrett76 said:
I felt this should be re-posted
not long ago "normal" was something like 400-1200?

Two things driving it,

1) Pussy doctors and just general lack of knowledge on diet and physical conitioning

2) Pussy population,
average man is carrying less because of how they grow up, little to no activity. and microplastics, ultra processed foods etc...
Mine was in the low 400's at 32 yrs old
I checked it 7 yrs later at 39 after changing my eating habits and weight training regularly starting 7 yrs ago, it was near 600...
Apply that logic in reverse to your average man 30 yrs ago. Nothing but video games as kids, computers as adults..

Cholesterol "normal" has been trending down since the early 70's, used to i think 270ish was normal, yet heart disease is higher than ever. Guessing a large percentage of the people in the "normal" range are medicated with statins which drives the "normal" down. Doing things to lower your cholesterol like the .gov wants you to do hurts your test level also, including statins.
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Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

I refuse to take the statin I am prescribed and I work out 5 days per week. My weekends aren't sedentary, I'm always doing something around the property or shop and working to the point I can barely walk.

I don't eat much processed food, mostly chicken, fish, beef and some pork. Some rice, occasional tater. Lots of veggies and salads. I'm probably in the best physical shape I've seen since before retiring from the Army a decade ago... yet I still have low T and don't see much visible gains from my gym time. My wife noticed how much more solid my mass is, and my belt is a couple notches tighter, but I still have a bit of a leftover gut from my beer drinking days.

I'd probably be better off without the lung damage limiting my cardio, though.
 
DannyK said:
I'm pretty sure he is talking about measured test levels of 400 total and free of 8 which is on the lower end of normal. I've been told the goal with TRT is to get total to 700 because that is the level most men will feel good.

My doctors website lists these as the normal range:
Total = 264-916
Free = 6.8-21.5

I was tested 5 years ago and 2 years ago. My total is in the mid 500's, but my free is below 5. I have yet to do anything about it. I guess I waiting for it to get worse.
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Correct, measured at 400 and 8 free test. I will go back in a month and have labs done again to adjust as needed. Also joining the gym in a week or so. My bestie is a power lifter at said gym and he is going to put a routine together for me.
No complaints yet, if my nuts shrink to the size of raisins, I shall report back!
 
your nuts will definitely shrink, some don`t shrink much and some lose quite a bit of size, you can run Hcg to keep em working if you want.


I went on TRT after I broke my neck and cracked my skull open, for some reason my body couldn`t regulate my testosterone so my levels (along with my mood) would vary greatly, I ran hcg to keep my nut function but my estradoil and blood pressure seemed to really go up with the Hcg mixed in, doctor friend told me it was probably because I didn`t have low testicular function when I got on TRT my body just couldn`t regulate it anymore, so when I kick started my boys again I had a ton of testosterone in my body.

It`s been 5 years and i`d really like to try to get off TRT if my body can self regulate again i`m just not in a spot to go messing with my energy and mental health right now.
 
Blugreenformula said:
Correct, measured at 400 and 8 free test. I will go back in a month and have labs done again to adjust as needed. Also joining the gym in a week or so. My bestie is a power lifter at said gym and he is going to put a routine together for me.
No complaints yet, if my nuts shrink to the size of raisins, I shall report back!
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I get a shot of HCG along with my test every week. The good thing about your balls shrinking it makes your dick look bigger. :flipoff2:
 
Aisin said:
I get a shot of HCG along with my test every week. The good thing about your balls shrinking it makes your dick look bigger. :flipoff2:
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Exactly what my buddy told me. Small beans make the frank look bigger. I can live with it, my porn career never really took off anyways.
 
Russell said:
I have severely low testosterone. I've had a dozen blood tests and always come back in the 120 - 130s. I'm 34 years old. I figured it out on my own by piecing together the symptoms. Same issues as you had - Excess weight, no muscle, no endurance, very slow to recover from exertion, low sex drive, foggy brain, zero motivation and totally burnt out after a 9hr work day. My mental state has not been good for a long time. I don't have any friends or work on projects because I just don't have the energy for it after work and it takes me all weekend to recover enough to face the next week.

I am not currently taking any kind of treatment for it because my wife and I are not done having kids. HRT has a significant impact on fertility and I'm not willing to mess around with that. I've had my fertility tested and it came back normal despite my testosterone issues. We've had a lot of problems with fertility as it is, our first one took nearly a year to conceive and we've had a couple of miscarriages while trying for the second.

I'm fairly sure I've always had low testosterone, right since I was a teenager. My brother and father are both fit, active and highly motivated people. I've always been overweight with no muscle and no endurance. I have always had to put monumental effort into getting myself up and out the door every morning for work.

I'm hoping that our second kid is a boy so we can call it quits and I can start HRT. I think it is going to make a massive difference in my quality of life.
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Took 4 years, but finally managed to get our communist medical system to find the root cause of this. I have pituitary microadenoma, aka a tumor on my pituitary. Just got the word today, not sure what comes next. Initial research shows it could be hormone producing or non-producing. Non-producing is a meh, take HRT where needed and scan it annually. Producing is more of a deal involving radiation therapy or brain surgery to kill / remove the tumor. I don't know what type I have yet. Based on my blood work, I am guessing non-producing, but it is big enough that it is causing hypopituitariansm.

On a positive note, I'm one month into test HRT and feel a lot better. Gained another 5 lbs I'll never lose though.
 
Total was 143.4, free was 5.1 at my last blood test, and my PA >still< didn't want to do anything about it. Finally got him to put me on one pump of Androgel 1.62 three weeks ago. Still haven't noticed any difference, but everything I've read says it takes 4-6 weeks to see any changes... :mad3:
 
4x4mechanic said:
Total was 143.4, free was 5.1 at my last blood test, and my PA >still< didn't want to do anything about it. Finally got him to put me on one pump of Androgel 1.62 three weeks ago. Still haven't noticed any difference, but everything I've read says it takes 4-6 weeks to see any changes... :mad3:
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gels are garbage. You need the shot.
 
4x4mechanic said:
Total was 143.4, free was 5.1 at my last blood test, and my PA >still< didn't want to do anything about it. Finally got him to put me on one pump of Androgel 1.62 three weeks ago. Still haven't noticed any difference, but everything I've read says it takes 4-6 weeks to see any changes... :mad3:
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I know a couple people who do okay on the gel but the shot is way better as far as side effects ago or lack thereof.
 
Aisin said:
gels are garbage. You need the shot.
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Brian468 said:
I know a couple people who do okay on the gel but the shot is way better as far as side effects ago or lack thereof.
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Every thing I've read over the last few weeks says that the gel keeps your levels much more even and prevents the "rollercoastering" caused by the level spikes and dips from shots. If you were doing a shot every day your levels would stay steady, but I ain't up for being stuck every day or even once a week after going thru a year of leukemia treatments. My only complaint so far is taking so long to get started and only receiving the lowest dose possible when my numbers are in the basement. :mad3:

:flipoff2:
 
4x4mechanic said:
Every thing I've read over the last few weeks says that the gel keeps your levels much more even and prevents the "rollercoastering" caused by the level spikes and dips from shots. If you were doing a shot every day your levels would stay steady, but I ain't up for being stuck every day or even once a week after going thru a year of leukemia treatments. My only complaint so far is taking so long to get started and only receiving the lowest dose possible when my numbers are in the basement. :mad3:

:flipoff2:
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Alot of people roller coaster on shots because the doctors put people on way too high of a dose and they take it all in one shot, 200mg is what alot of online clinics and cookie cutter places prescribe, actual replacement dose trt would be somewhere around 8-15mg per day depending on the individual.


take your shot every other day, every 3 days every 4 days, every body is different and every body responds differently, being that you are abmisally low any dose will probably make you feel better than you currently feel now but getting dialed in to your optimal dosing will take some experimenting, same with estrogen control the standard number for estrogen in mean is 20pg/ml is the sweet spot, but some people feel better with it being higher or lower, personally I float around 50pg/ml and that's where I feel best and don't have joint pain, this is controlled with aromatize inhibitors and you'll get dosing all over the board on that as well.


if the needle bothers you get 29g insulin syringes, it's absolutely painless, I pin in my delts every 3 days, the oil also goes in smoother if you warm it up first so you can run it under water if you'd like, I personally just stick it under my arm pit and take my meds and supplements and after a minute it's body temperature.


If the doctors are fucking you around you can get quality gear online with minimal searching way cheaper than a doc or an online clinic, alot of people say you need doctor supervision and if it's a doctor who specializes in hormone replacement I'd agree, unfortunately most people are seeing primary care doctors who don't know fuck all about hormone replacement.


you can also order blood work online for yourself and just show up to the hospital for your labs and get the results back in a few days.
 
get off the gel and do the shots yourself.

Take test -c at twice a week and preferably three times a week and you aren't going to rollercoaster.

Get the shit online and do it yourself. Read up, join some forums and learn how to interpret your blood tests. Anyone can walk in to Quest or Labcorp and get tests. You don't need a dr order. I do it all the time.
 
dntsdad said:
get off the gel and do the shots yourself.

Take test -c at twice a week and preferably three times a week and you aren't going to rollercoaster.

Get the shit online and do it yourself. Read up, join some forums and learn how to interpret your blood tests. Anyone can walk in to Quest or Labcorp and get tests. You don't need a dr order. I do it all the time.
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dntsdad said:
If you need sources that are reliable and legit, let me know via PM
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The $$$ isn't an issue, I met out-of-pocket in March so everything is covered 100% until the end of the year, and I'm certain I'll blow right thru it again next year too. The only reason I've gotten as far as I have is because of the side effects of the chemo. I'm probably going to get a referral to an endocrinologist if things don't start improving here soon...
 
4x4mechanic said:
The $$$ isn't an issue, I met out-of-pocket in March so everything is covered 100% until the end of the year, and I'm certain I'll blow right thru it again next year too. The only reason I've gotten as far as I have is because of the side effects of the chemo. I'm probably going to get a referral to an endocrinologist if things don't start improving here soon...
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I wasn't implying it was about money.

All I was saying is that if your medical professionals are only going to give gel on weekly injections, you are wasting your time and probably just going to make things worse.

Just throwing out the offer to steer you towards some reliable sources
 
I didnt read all of it so sorry if its been discussed.

Anyone taking ashwagandha. Ive heard good things about it fer lots of things including low-t.
 
dntsdad said:
I wasn't implying it was about money.

All I was saying is that if your medical professionals are only going to give gel on weekly injections, you are wasting your time and probably just going to make things worse.

Just throwing out the offer to steer you towards some reliable sources
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I appreciate the offer, but with my cancer history I'm playing it safe and going thru channels at least to start with. I've been diagnosed with clinically low testosterone so I >should< be able to get things straightened out, even if I have to go to an endocrinologist. It's just frustrating jumping thru all of the hoops they require, which is aggravated by the low-t to boot. 😬
 
DRTDEVL said:
Frequent visitor over there?:flipoff2:
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Ever wonder why I hate collectivization so fucking much?
L getting lumped in with G getting lumped in with B and then all those 'somewhat normal' fags getting lumped in with the fucking Ts...

Just found it funny, seeing all the same discussion about people trying to get shit that shouldn't be regulated to begin with like two sides of the same damn coin. They're screaming about getting it "now that trump blah blah blah"
Also ties it back into the hate of government, everything's all the same fucking shit show...
 
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