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Libertarian litmus test: Should tips be taxed?

Should tips be taxed? (fuck yo bacon request)

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If they are going to stop taxing tips, then required gratuity needs to be made illegal.

Otherwise I will open a restaurant and everything over a 12 year old will have gratuity added to the bill automatically.

Next problem, where does it stop?

I get a monthly performance bonus. Why is that taxed? And taxed at a higher rate than normal payroll?

If servers don't have to pay taxes on their performance bonuses why do i?

Besides it's not like servers report all of their tips anyway.

Leave it alone, pay taxes.
 
Tiha said:
If they are going to stop taxing tips, then required gratuity needs to be made illegal.

Otherwise I will open a restaurant and everything over a 12 year old will have gratuity added to the bill automatically.

Next problem, where does it stop?

I get a monthly performance bonus. Why is that taxed? And taxed at a higher rate than normal payroll?

If servers don't have to pay taxes on their performance bonuses why do i?

Besides it's not like servers report all of their tips anyway.

Leave it alone, pay taxes.
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taxation is theft. So leave the waitresses and baristas alone. Also leave the truck drivers pay alone. And the Secretary's. And the lineworker's, etc etc.
 
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linksoldier said:
My tax dollars are being used to support people that don't pay taxes and i'm the communist, I'd LOVE to hear this argument.
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and you're advocating for more of that by arguing for additional taxation
Animalmother said:
Unless you're naked running around fighting cannibals like scenes from the movie “the road” you are a collectivist statist communist asshole.
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Roc Doc said:
I had a watch bracelet sized at a local jewelry store, and they charged me sales tax. I asked why they were taxing a labor only sale, and the manager, who looked to be all of 25 said, "because that's how we've always done it." I didn't feel like arguing over $1.53, so I just left. So I seriously doubt that they're passing that money collected on to the state.
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In Tennessee, I am required to charge sales tax on the labor charges in my Automotive shop.
My wife is not required to collect sales tax at her salon even though she charges for her labor. Gotta love the fucked up tax code.
 
Blugreenformula said:
In Tennessee, I am required to charge sales tax on the labor charges in my Automotive shop.
My wife is not required to collect sales tax at her salon even though she charges for her labor. Gotta love the fucked up tax code.
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We have to charge sales tax on service call labor.
 
Tiha said:
I get a monthly performance bonus. Why is that taxed? And taxed at a higher rate than normal payroll?
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1. Bullshit, let the kids keep as much of their tips as possible. Don’t force taxes on them to make you feel like the punishment is more fair and equitable.

2. Your bonus is NOT taxed at a higher rate than normal payroll. It’s withheld at a higher rate. At tax time, they don’t care whether the money earned was 90% bonus and 10% salary, or 10% bonus and 90% salary. Just the amount that was earned.
 
OHV Wildcat said:
1. Bullshit, let the kids keep as much of their tips as possible. Don’t force taxes on them to make you feel like the punishment is more fair and equitable.

2. Your bonus is NOT taxed at a higher rate than normal payroll. It’s withheld at a higher rate. At tax time, they don’t care whether the money earned was 90% bonus and 10% salary, or 10% bonus and 90% salary. Just the amount that was earned.
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They are already supposed to be paying taxes on their tips, but I would imagine the majority are deceptive about how much they actually received in tips. At least the ones I know certainly are because I do their taxes.

Verbally they tell me they are making $300-$800 a day in tips yet on their income taxes they want me to put down $0. Which I imagine increases the chances of an audit, but I can only put down what information I am given.

Because of not reporting tips their income comes in very low. So now they are receiving state assistance in the form of health insurance, child care assistance, food stamps, and in one case all of the above plus rent assistance.
Which we are paying for.

When in reality they are getting at least $30k in unreported income. One flat out told me they made over $50k in tips. Reported 0

Why can't I write down zero? Why isn't my bonus the same as tips?

And these are not just kids. Some people spend their whole lives in the service industry.

It is not fair that a server making $20k a year and not reporting tips has more cash in their pocket than someone who makes $60k a year and is honest and above board about everything.
At 20K a year you qualify for all the state programs.
At $60k you have to pay your own way for everything and support the person only reporting $20k.

It is fair that my bonus is being taxed the same as payroll, but they are withholding more. But more withholding means less monthly take home and more tax planning. Why can't I control my withholding? Why is my bonus taxed at all if a servers bonus is not taxed.
 
OHV Wildcat said:
1. Bullshit, let the kids keep as much of their tips as possible. Don’t force taxes on them to make you feel like the punishment is more fair and equitable.

2. Your bonus is NOT taxed at a higher rate than normal payroll. It’s withheld at a higher rate. At tax time, they don’t care whether the money earned was 90% bonus and 10% salary, or 10% bonus and 90% salary. Just the amount that was earned.
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Or punish them heavily early on so they understand that taxation is theft and stop voting dumb.

Lol.
 
Tiha said:
They are already supposed to be paying taxes on their tips, but I would imagine the majority are deceptive about how much they actually received in tips. At least the ones I know certainly are because I do their taxes.

Verbally they tell me they are making $300-$800 a day in tips yet on their income taxes they want me to put down $0. Which I imagine increases the chances of an audit, but I can only put down what information I am given.

Because of not reporting tips their income comes in very low. So now they are receiving state assistance in the form of health insurance, child care assistance, food stamps, and in one case all of the above plus rent assistance.
Which we are paying for.

When in reality they are getting at least $30k in unreported income. One flat out told me they made over $50k in tips. Reported 0

Why can't I write down zero? Why isn't my bonus the same as tips?

And these are not just kids. Some people spend their whole lives in the service industry.

It is not fair that a server making $20k a year and not reporting tips has more cash in their pocket than someone who makes $60k a year and is honest and above board about everything.
At 20K a year you qualify for all the state programs.
At $60k you have to pay your own way for everything and support the person only reporting $20k.

It is fair that my bonus is being taxed the same as payroll, but they are withholding more. But more withholding means less monthly take home and more tax planning. Why can't I control my withholding? Why is my bonus taxed at all if a servers bonus is not taxed.
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And there we have the "they need to pay their fair share" argument. Now complain about the tax rates on capital gains and how that's unfair!!
 
87manche said:
Or punish them heavily early on so they understand that taxation is theft and stop voting dumb.

Lol.
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Both of my boys were shocked and felt like they were being punished seeing their first paychecks.

I told them hey, You are a white male with a full time job. You will pay more taxes than anyone else in the country.
 
linksoldier said:
My tax dollars are being used to support people that don't pay taxes and i'm the communist, I'd LOVE to hear this argument.
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Because you have a problem with socialism, your solution is to steal from your working neighbor?

How is it not communism? or at least hard socialism.
 
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Blugreenformula said:
In Tennessee, I am required to charge sales tax on the labor charges in my Automotive shop.
My wife is not required to collect sales tax at her salon even though she charges for her labor. Gotta love the fucked up tax code.
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There are some exceptions here as well, and yeah its fucked up
 
Here it's the responsibility of the retailer to pay the tax not on the customer / consumer although the retailer sure will attempt to con the "end user" to pay the tax like there is a law that makes the customer / buyer responsible but that's not what the law says from the first inception of the sales tax law.




6051. Imposition and rate of sales tax. For the privilege of selling tangible personal property at retail a tax is hereby imposed upon all retailers at the rate of 2½ percent of the gross receipts of any retailer from the sale of all tangible personal property sold at retail in this state on or after August 1, 1933, and to and including June 30, 1935, and at the rate of 3 percent thereafter, and at the rate of 2½ percent on and after July 1, 1943, and to and including June 30, 1949, and at the rate of 3 percent on and after July 1, 1949, and to and including July 31, 1967, and at the rate of 4 percent on and after August 1, 1967, and to and including June 30, 1972, and at the rate of 3¾ percent on and after July 1, 1972, and to and including June 30, 1973, and at the rate of 4¾ percent on and after July 1, 1973, and to and including September 30, 1973, and at the rate of 3¾ percent on and after October 1, 1973, and to and including March 31, 1974, and at the rate of 4¾ percent thereafter.


Sales And Use Tax Law - Section 6051

www.cdtfa.ca.gov www.cdtfa.ca.gov




linksoldier said:
My tax dollars are being used to support people that don't pay taxes and i'm the communist, I'd LOVE to hear this argument.
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I need a world where I pay taxes ONCE. Like income tax. DONE. Why is there even a sales tax? WHAT THE FUCK its the free market. Why do I pay taxes, to pay more taxes at the pump?



Blackrock et all have us all and the government by the nutsack. And it's not gonna fucking change.
 
grumpy356 said:
Because you have a problem with socialism, your solution is to steal from your working neighbor?

How is it not communism? or at least hard socialism.
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Isn’t that a stretch? “I don’t want to pay for my neighbors stuff” isn’t advocating communism or socialism
 
rockota said:
Isn’t that a stretch? “I don’t want to pay for my neighbors stuff” isn’t advocating communism or socialism
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How?

The problems are with the socialism in our government. How else are you going to define the idea that YOU are paying for your neighbors stuff???

If Socialism is the problem, how do you conclude that justifies the redistribution of wealth through the tax code? (I mean it is VERY ""From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs") BECAUSE IT DOESN'T

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rockota said:
Isn’t that a stretch? “I don’t want to pay for my neighbors stuff” isn’t advocating communism or socialism
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But that isn't the argument made by advocating for additional taxation.
That is the argument you make by supporting the abolition of taxation.

Wealth redistribution just plain never works.
Call it communism, call it socialism, call it humanism, call it statism, call it fascism, call it 'the cost of society' none of the names really matter and are only damaging to discussion.
 
[486] said:
Wealth redistribution just plain never works.
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Except when it's voluntary.

There's a reason that every time the state fucks off good (or never existed) you get some sort of "we help each other and we owe each other" system like you see in pre-roman and immediately post roman western Europe.

That shit works. It's not perfect, but it works.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Except when it's voluntary.
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the only tool the state has is coercion, it cannot persuade (since it cannot effectively/competitively produce) it can only coerce

Fun trick of language that, making the ubiquitous joke about thinly veiled coercion being called "persuasion" with as heavy of air quotes as can be implied
People eventually forget that it's a joke and quit bothering to think about the vast gulf of difference between coercion and persuasion
 
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