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Libertarian litmus test: Should tips be taxed?

Should tips be taxed? (fuck yo bacon request)

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IowaOffRoad said:
The counterargument is that none of the 'service economy' jobs should be treated as careers, so it matters not if they are getting 'credit' for the income via SS/medicare. Also, if it's not considered taxable income there is no shortfall to make up.


Agreed. I feel like this could be a small step on the road to repeal of the 16th (a man can dream)
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At one time in America, but that time is GONE.

At one time you had a place where the guy who is a slacker, or a non-go getter could work and support his family.
You had production. You got Moses over there, and Moses is a good enough guy. but he's not that smart, he is never going to work on computers, and he's never going to be able to do anything technical, but with a little supervision he can do an easily repetitive tasks, whether that's picking crops, or working the assembly line.
So you took Moses, and you put him on an assembly line and he made a liveable wage, and he got the pension plan, and insurance, and he did this task for 25 years, and retired to drink beer and chase cocktail waitresses in the city.

You automated away what you could, and sent any of the rest of those jobs overseas,

Now what?

You think that guy is now smarter and went to work for the local tech start-up?

No, that guy still has the same obligations, and he has no industrial option. You have displaced his work and NOW the service industry is stuck with that guy as a career employee So this antiquated idea that 'it's not a career"... well ,, yeah,., it is now. .
 
Chevy_man said:
No.

Tips are a gift for above average service.


I found that simply passing around $15-20 in singles every day in Mexico guaranteed me much better service than the European crowd. :laughing:


I also never tip at fast food. We have no server wage here so they're already making at least $12/hr to make me a taco. They don't need more than that for the sub standard service they provide standing behind a counter.

Tips are for servers or bartenders. They come to me to take my order, they bring stuff to me, they get a tip because they were fast and thorough and polite.
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Nah, most service industry don't have a base pay. Tips are their income.
 
clodhopper said:
Maybe, but the state relies on the store's statement of earnings. If the store is including labor sales in with reg sales, then the state will assume the tax submitted is correct.
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I thought of that, but it's disingenuous either way. The consumer should not be paying that tax.
 
grapehead said:
Nah, most service industry don't have a base pay. Tips are their income.
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You have never worked in or known anyone who has worked in a service industry by that statement. I’ve never known anyone who worked in any restaurant that didn’t have a base pay in any state. Not that I Know of them all, but I know what the rules are in several midwestern and southwestern states and can’t imagine that it’s radically different in yours.
Most have a base pay, but set it at or a couple dollars below minimum and expect you make up the rest in tips.
 
grapehead said:
Nah, most service industry don't have a base pay. Tips are their income.
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They have a "Servers Wage" which is substantially lower than standard minimum wage.

The burn is the places like Minneapolis, who are paying servers actual wages, so food goes up to cover this, and the tip didn't go away, so now they are getting tipped off the inflated cost that was a result of their "living wage" .
 
We raised 2 kids on the wifes tip income when I worked for the state...
She made more money than me.
The gubmint did nothing to help her earn so fukkem, that and "pooling tips"
That is all...
 
Roc Doc said:
I thought of that, but it's disingenuous either way. The consumer should not be paying that tax.
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I dont disagree with you. But I can also see it from the store side of it. Have you looked at how many pages of tax code businesses have to conform to? A bunch of it isnt very defined either. For that jewelry store, if pure labor sales are something like 1 or 2 percent of the business, why chance it with getting audited? Treat all sales the same, collect the tax, it just goes on to the govt anyway not like you keep it. Lowers the risk of some sort of fine for having misinterpreted the voluminous tax code. May cost you a client or two along the way, but can be the cost of doing business and being able to sleep at night.

While the jeweler is the one who did the deed, the one you should be pissed at is the govt/politicians who have been tweaking the tax code to benefit friends or for social engineering.
 
I voted yes on taxing tips.... But I am a very heavy tipper for good service at restaurants (20%+). That is only for waiters or waitress that are doing their job. Take out places where I wait in line; they can go fuck them selfs.
II always thought that wait staff were paid at below minimum wage..... Is that true?:homer::homer::homer:
 
I'm pretty sure fed min wage is 2.13/hr with tips however if tips don't add up to the actual minimum wage the business is required to make up the difference.
 
Kyle said:
Social security and Medicare should be disbanded too.

No property tax no income tax.

Sales tax on products only. Not services.
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On new products not used, the used items were already taxed.
 
Clb said:
We raised 2 kids on the wifes tip income when I worked for the state...
She made more money than me.
The gubmint did nothing to help her earn so fukkem, that and "pooling tips"
That is all...
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That’s what they do at a local mom
& pop burger joint I visit about once a week. I think I’m one of the rare people that actually tips there but they pool it. I don’t feel to bad about it as the few people working there work hard.
 
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IowaOffRoad said:
No, but they are the few that advocate for it on these grounds.
Also, got you to click, didn’t it?:laughing:
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Really? :flipoff2:


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  • Donald Trump pledged to cut taxes on tipped income if he wins a second White House term.
  • The promise came at his rally in Nevada, a major battleground state with a thriving hospitality sector that Republicans are looking to flip in November.
  • The Nevada rally was the first Trump has held since he was convicted of 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.
 
Animalmother said:
Really? :flipoff2:






  • Donald Trump pledged to cut taxes on tipped income if he wins a second White House term.
  • The promise came at his rally in Nevada, a major battleground state with a thriving hospitality sector that Republicans are looking to flip in November.
  • The Nevada rally was the first Trump has held since he was convicted of 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.
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Did you even read my links?:flipoff2:
 
This subject came up at lunch.

What about strippers? In some places the strippers pay to work there and their entire income is tips. Should they get tax free income? Well yes, but that’s only because we all should. If we all don’t get it, I think we all should pay tax.
 
WaterH said:
This subject came up at lunch.

What about strippers? In some places the strippers pay to work there and their entire income is tips. Should they get tax free income? Well yes, but that’s only because we all should. If we all don’t get it, I think we all should pay tax.
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Income tax has not been nor is now applied equally. The solution to our tax slave society is not more things or transactions taxed
 
D_JEEPER said:
The USA is an outlier when it comes to the tipping mindset...so much so that you go through a Subway line and get asked for a tip. Like, wtf service did you give me aside from making my food that I am paying for?

You dont see that shit in other countries.
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If I don't sit at a table, I don't tip.

Also, tipping is stupid
 
D_JEEPER said:
The USA is an outlier when it comes to the tipping mindset...so much so that you go through a Subway line and get asked for a tip. Like, wtf service did you give me aside from making my food that I am paying for?

You dont see that shit in other countries.
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I ordered a flow looker water pump. They had a hidden service fee of like 6$. When you looked at the cart it would disappear after a second but was still in the price. Plus they asked for a tip. 🙄
 
Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me, where is sanity?
Tax the rich, feed the poor
'Til there are no rich no more
 
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