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Let's say Covid conspiracies are in fact true

rugger said:
And why aren't the natural immune boosters like Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Zinc and Magnesium being pushed for everyone?

Hint: they want us sick and the only cure is in the shot (which isn't working)
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Correct. It was VERY recently that they admitted those might be helpful. Prior to that it was “there is no evidence that vitamins and supplements can help fight covid.”

It’s a virus. Anything that helps boost your immune system will provide a benefit, even if it isn’t Covid specific. But instead they pass out Krispy Kreme to bribe people to get the shot, which wrecks gut health and the immune system.

I only differ in that I don’t believe they actually want people sick, I think they only care about $, which requires people to stay scared and compliant.
 
rugger said:
And why aren't the natural immune boosters like Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Zinc and Magnesium being pushed for everyone?

Hint: they want us sick and the only cure is in the shot (which isn't working)
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This will is the correct answer. If the government truly truly cared they would be giving this our like candy.

Fauci would be saying we know this vaccine is new and some of you are hesitant in taking it rightfully so. Our best option is the vaccine but the second best is being healthy. What you need to do is cultivate a good immune system. Take these vitiamins daily ect.


But what do we get ? Fauci screaming your gonna die without the 15th booster, productive people being fired from their job, kids educational development being stunted, forming of two societies. All the while this is being applauded by the media , government and the brain washed masses.

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Gatorgrizz27 said:
Correct. It was VERY recently that they admitted those might be helpful. Prior to that it was “there is no evidence that vitamins and supplements can help fight covid.”

It’s a virus. Anything that helps boost your immune system will provide a benefit, even if it isn’t Covid specific. But instead they pass out Krispy Kreme to bribe people to get the shot, which wrecks gut health and the immune system.

I only differ in that I don’t believe they actually want people sick, I think they only care about $, which requires people to stay scared and compliant.
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I would agree and add big pharmaceutical doesn’t want to push healthy immune system ideas. Americans are the pharmaceutical companies cash cows. The healthier the nation is the less pills they sell. Everyone in the nation goes on a vitamin c,d,zinc regiment, their profits would shrink over night. They use their leverage to sway the science that the god fauci makes his decree from.
 
bdkw1 said:
I think the death toll from the vax is just getting started. In the past few weeks I've had 4 people on our race team that were seemingly healthy pass due to random things. It's starting to be more than a coincidence.
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What did they die from? Myocarditis?
 
Gatorgrizz27 said:
Correct. It was VERY recently that they admitted those might be helpful. Prior to that it was “there is no evidence that vitamins and supplements can help fight covid.”

It’s a virus. Anything that helps boost your immune system will provide a benefit, even if it isn’t Covid specific. But instead they pass out Krispy Kreme to bribe people to get the shot, which wrecks gut health and the immune system.

I only differ in that I don’t believe they actually want people sick, I think they only care about $, which requires people to stay scared and compliant.
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If you don't publish a study on it, then there is no evidence

When they have a single track mind, then there is only one outcome. Vaccine......that doesn't work
 
The only conspiracy is that governments actually care about and work for the people. Anyone who actually thinks that they do work for the people on either side of the political fence has the mental capacity if and is as naive as a 4yr old. Looking at you crazy lefty's preaching equality all day and also at you thin blue line boot lickers.

This whole pandemic has further confirmed that all elected officials care about is lining thier and thier friends pockets, power grabbing and covering thier ass when they fuck up (funding labs which leaked this thing in accident while skirting laws then lieing about it).
 
DannyK said:
What did they die from? Myocarditis?
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1 was labeled massive heart attack. 1 was stroke, the 2 that were in Baja we may never know. No autopsy and the body storage isn't refrigerated.
 
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IowaOffRoad said:
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt...

I'm not a 'conspiracy theorist' in the manner that you are referring to, and I don't see the evidence of the MCU 'HYDRA' supervillian that many refer to.
This is a simple case of "not letting a crisis go to waste".

I believe, WITH EVIDENCE, that the virus originated from the Wuhan lab (whether natural or human-enhanced) , sometime back in October '19.
I believe, WITH EVIDENCE, that the CCP did what they could to cover it up, because they didn't want to look like the irresponsible commies that they are.
I believe, WITH EVIDENCE, that they were assisted in this by the WHO and many in the scientific community in the west. They did it mostly for self-preservation as they knew they fucked up.
I believe, WITH EVIDENCE, that once many of the socialist, total-government leaders in the western world realized that there was no stopping this, it is a great opportunity to get a little, or a lot more control, and centralize more of their power.
I believe, WITH EVIDENCE, that the severity of this disease was met with much harsher governmental countermeasures than it warranted to serve the above purpose.
I believe, WITH EVIDENCE, that once the general population began to understand that it wasn't as bad as advertised, that is when the harsher measures were rolled out to 'gas-light' as much of the public could be.
I believe, WITH EVIDENCE, that there are many entities with many agendas operating in the public space today that benefit from this manufactured chaos; media for ratings, politicians for their own re-election, companies like Amazon and Pfizer for the funds that will make their way to their accounts, and many others.

To the conspiracy theory part of this: There's no 'conspiracy'. There are multiple entities that have something to gain from this. Sometimes they work parallel to each other and makes it seem like it's coordinated. Sometimes they are working at cross-purposes. I don't think the endgame for:
The CCP
The pharmaceutical companies
National governments
The Builderbergs/Gates-Clinton-whatever foundations/public-private whatever partnerships
The media
is the same one. All of them have priorities, and they all don't necessarily align. I don't think there is
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^^^THIS level of coordination for a conspiracy. If there was, considering the amount of 'smart' people involved, those who maybe aren't 'genius' level IQ and have jobs and families to attend to on the daily just to survive wouldn't have been able to see through it the way they have.

This is not to say I don't think there is nothing to see, far from it. It's more like
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And we all know how that worked out.

Ultimately, when the experts are trusted blindly, and the solutions always require more control and less freedom, then you know we are headed in the wrong direction.

There is no conspiracy, it's all out in the open, they suck at it, and if all the entities who are trying to grasp power are ever able to get a firm hold on it do, then it will end as badly as it always does. They suck this bad at trying to get it, think of how bad they will suck if they ever do. BTW, if it reaches the 'endgame', it's gonna look like Special Olympics Game of Thrones once their interests diverge.

Personal note: It's natural to be concerned with your baby, I understand the position you are in. I have a 3.5mo old one right now. Everyone in the house has had COVID recently, the baby never even noticed it. Mom wasn't vaccinated when she was pregnant, she's not vaccinated now, not until she's done breast-feeding. I understand your concern for the baby, but as someone who seems to study the figures on such things, if it reassures you, please look at the stats on children under 1yo worldwide. You will find you have nothing to worry about. Trust me, this is #4 for me, there are more pressing and immediate dangers you need to be concerned with. Keep you and the missus healthy, baby will be just fine. Make sure you are taking the more likely reasons for harm to come to the baby into account, disease and otherwise. Please don't put all your focus in caring for your little one on COVID if it means ignoring the more immediate dangers. Influenza has historically killed a lot of babies, so has pools and leaving too many blankets in a crib.

Congrats on the New Addition! I mean that. Babies make you better, enjoy it while it lasts, it never lasts long enough.
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Well I finally found some time to respond.
I agree on all points until we get to the "trust the experts". I don't think that it's that many people that just trust the experts.
Everyone does their analysis of the situation to their capabilities.
It's the loud people on both extremes that fuck it all up for everyone.

The government being wishy washy from week to month certainly evokes lots of trust...

Less control and freedom. In a small community people look out for each other. Take care of each other. Check the people when they go out of bounds. Freedom works.
In the big cities, life is anonymous and lonely. I think this is the big problem. People don't care. So people that care stop caring for people that stopped caring. It's not gonna work.


People on the extremes are always needed, but right now Americans need to approach. Each other. And get back on track quickly.

There is a lot at stake for, well, all of us.



The kiddo was protected from everything until age 6m, then we started introducing normal germs and everything. Was only worried in that time, really. And need to make sure about that 2% chance about Covid.

So of course my decisions always skewed toward the vaccine, mask et cetra solution side, but never uninformed. I try to get both sides of a story.

And these guys make damn well sure I hear it,.

Thanks for congrats and the the tips.
 
TanTJJim said:
Thank you for confirming my suspicions. You'll never understand this so I'm really only speaking to others who are reading this thread, but most intelligent people question their opinions as it usually causes them to seek knowledge and possibly understanding.

Stupid people, on the other hand, are often quite confident in their opinions. Willfully ignorant people, such as yourself, typically seek information that aligns precisely with their opinion only for the purpose of reinforcing it and possibly boosting their ego and perceived level of intelligence. Congratulations, you have achieved exactly what you seek!
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Don't worry snowflake, I'll doubt myself and adapt a view tomorrow.

Stupid people always think they know about others.

Free lesson. In a post like yours you simply write "Dunning Kruger" and hit send instead of typing it out. Try it next time.
 
ev13wt said:
Don't worry snowflake, I'll doubt myself and adapt a view tomorrow.

Stupid people always think they know about others.

Free lesson. In a post like yours you simply write "Dunning Kruger" and hit send instead of typing it out. Try it next time.
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I mean this in the nicest way possible...

You're an idiot.
 
ev13wt said:
Don't even, dumb fuck. The virus changes. Normal result. Was expected by me. Was predicted by science.
Government didn't/doesn't care.
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So, what's the point in rapid roll out of a vaccine that you know will be ineffective by the time it hits the streets? Multiple choice to help:

A. Money
B. Money
C. Money
D. Money
 
ev13wt said:
Don't worry snowflake, I'll doubt myself and adapt a view tomorrow.

Stupid people always think they know about others.

Free lesson. In a post like yours you simply write "Dunning Kruger" and hit send instead of typing it out. Try it next time.
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Happy Thanksgiving!
 
People in here that think the rona and vaccine are bullshit, suck on each others tit, feeding off of each other no differently than those on DU and their "ideas". Those that view the opposite do pretty much the same thing. I'd guess very few from either side of the debate ever research peer reviewed papers. All a bunch of hear say talking point bullshit.
 
Microtus said:
People in here that think the rona and vaccine are bullshit, suck on each others tit, feeding off of each other no differently than those on DU and their "ideas". Those that view the opposite do pretty much the same thing. I'd guess very few from either side of the debate ever research peer reviewed papers. All a bunch of hear say talking point bullshit.
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Well, I guess I'm in the minority with your opinion.

The absolute biggest sticking point about the vaccine has always been the mandate and the pressure applied, which is wholly anti science and anti any peer review unless it is some pie in the sky claim that "if we are 70,80,90,100% vaccinated simultaneously, then nobody will die and the virus won't have a host". While that may be a technically true statement based on the manipulated (by way of lack of control, oversight, repetitions and time) trial program, it will never be true in reality bases on logistics.

So people lament about making it political while at the same time attaching massive political hangers to the issue. Fuck that, remove the politics and l let it rise on the results, if it really is hot shit, it will be adopted.

So blame the politicians, and. Lame the media, and blame the people who said covid policy was a lead motivator to their votes and votes heavily for more government expansion on the basis of politicizing covid.

That's where you need to direct the extremes and lack of peer review vitoral. Odds are decent that both here and du we have a higher percent of people willing and able to read and consider actual published source documents
 
And before vaccine mandate was mask mandate, and isolation mandate, and shutter business mandate, and travel mandate.......do you see the common word that raises the ire of free people and antagonizes the politicization of "science"
 
Microtus said:
People in here that think the rona and vaccine are bullshit, suck on each others tit, feeding off of each other no differently than those on DU and their "ideas". Those that view the opposite do pretty much the same thing. I'd guess very few from either side of the debate ever research peer reviewed papers. All a bunch of hear say talking point bullshit.
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I used to post peer reviewed journal articles and people would just accuse them of bias. You can find on the actual CDC website, articles that agree that it’s man made, the masks are ineffective, and the vaccine is NOT approved nor effective AND is causing issues.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your comparing ibb to DU…
 
Provience said:
Well, I guess I'm in the minority with your opinion.

The absolute biggest sticking point about the vaccine has always been the mandate and the pressure applied, which is wholly anti science and anti any peer review unless it is some pie in the sky claim that "if we are 70,80,90,100% vaccinated simultaneously, then nobody will die and the virus won't have a host". While that may be a technically true statement based on the manipulated (by way of lack of control, oversight, repetitions and time) trial program, it will never be true in reality bases on logistics.

So people lament about making it political while at the same time attaching massive political hangers to the issue. Fuck that, remove the politics and l let it rise on the results, if it really is hot shit, it will be adopted.

So blame the politicians, and. Lame the media, and blame the people who said covid policy was a lead motivator to their votes and votes heavily for more government expansion on the basis of politicizing covid.

That's where you need to direct the extremes and lack of peer review vitoral. Odds are decent that both here and du we have a higher percent of people willing and able to read and consider actual published source documents
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This!!
 
Microtus said:
People in here that think the rona and vaccine are bullshit, suck on each others tit, feeding off of each other no differently than those on DU and their "ideas". Those that view the opposite do pretty much the same thing. I'd guess very few from either side of the debate ever research peer reviewed papers. All a bunch of hear say talking point bullshit.
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How many peer reviewed papers shall I read to not see what I see everyday?

Way to sneak in the strawman! There is practically nobody that says that Rona is bullshit. Maybe some flat earthers somewhere or Alex Jones types.

What IS bullshit is the response, the .gov, the hysteria, and people like you honestly.

The "vaccine" is not a vaccine otherwise the definition of vaccine would not have had to be changed. People would not get the virus in masses that have been vaccinated. "Break through cases" would not be routine rather than an aberration. Measles, polio, etc. are not seeing routine cases develop daily. Are there true "break through cases"? Yes, on a statistically nonexistent scale.

Regardless of all that talk of whether it works or not for the person taking it, there is zero doubt that it does NOT stop the spread of the virus and that taking it only serves to POSSIBLY make the effects on the injected less severe.

So why the mandate? The sell in the past was to stop the spread just like it use to be to not overrun the ICUs. If I want to "suffer" the full effects of Covid without an injection, eat McDonalds everyday, smoke 4 packs of cigarettes a day or sit home and play Russian Roulette with a semi-auto pistol why is it any of your fucking business?

Send me a list of things you do that I don't like so I can demand that you alter your life to fit my needs.

Otherwise, please fuck off and die you ****.
 
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