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Keep or replace my old POS?

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JR4X

JR4X

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Time to make a decision between spending a lot of money or a ton of money. My PSD tow pig has 205k miles on it and needs new turbo’s. After 10 years of mostly trouble free service it’s time to either rehab it or replace it.

If I had to put a new engine in it I’m looking at needing to put about $20K into it to get doctored back up into the shape I want it in. Lots of things to factor in. Dumping money into my old truck doesn’t guarantee reliability. Spending money on a new one doesn’t guarantee reliability. This truck has been paid off a long time and I’ve been debt free for a long time. The brand new version of what I’ve got is in the low $70k’s range.

I’ve got my flame suit on and ready for every and all shit flinging. I’m a Ford fan and not looking for anything outside of the superduty platform. I put 20,000 miles a year on it mostly towing a trailer and I’ve got a 3 year commitment to uphold my end of bargain starting now. My old truck is a 6.4 so there’s plenty of meat on the bone to make fun of me there. I do not prefer the 6.7 over the 6.4 so there’s that, and I do not prefer the 6 speed over the 5R110 so there’s that. What would IBB do? Light me up, taking anything into consideration. PFA

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from a money and time stand point you save $50k, and not sure how much time will be dedicated to do the engine over haul. personally i am not a fan of all the inflated truck prices right now, but what can you do, and can you even get one. things you have all ready thought about i am sure. me i think i would rebuild. for no other reason than you know and like this truck and like it.
 
I am in the 6.7 camp. 7.3 is great but the 6.7 to the 7.3 is like the 7.3 to the 6.9. Especially when you include the trans.

Plus creature comforts are through the roof.

Last spring I bought a different truck. Granted they were over priced, but prices are coming down.

You can get a used 6.7 with under 30k miles. save yourself at least 20k on purchase.

Just a thought.
 
What do YOU want to do?

Are you confident in your parts/repairs that the $20kinvestment won't have problems?
Do you have the time to invest?

Does "race team" benefit from tax deductions?
 
CarterKraft said:
What do YOU want to do?

Are you confident in your parts/repairs that the $20kinvestment won't have problems?
Do you have the time to invest?

Does "race team" benefit from tax deductions?
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I want a new 6.4 and to have the confidence in the second one that I had in the first one. I’m not confident in anything not having problems these days. If I could get a brand new crate 6.4 assembled by Ford I’d be interested. Any 6.4 from ford now is a reman though and NOT done by FoMoCo. So there’s no reason to go to Ford for it. I don’t benefit from tax breaks. Dad does though because the team is in his name and he pays most of the big expenses.
 
granitestatedestroyer said:
What do you dislike about 6.7 vs 6.4?

What do you dislike about 6r vs 5r?
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The 6.7 doesn’t touch the parameters my 6.4 does. I borrowed the 6.7 version of my truck to tow my trailer to Disney Oklahoma for the finals. 26 psi max boost and having to back out of it on hills for EGT’s. Way to easy to hit 1400°.

My 6.4 does 44 psi at 1140 EGT all day. Until I got a tired turbo I never had to let off for skyrocketing EGT’s. I’ve put over 100K on this truck with 498 rear wheel hp. It takes a lot of secondary investment to get a 6.7 to that place. The 5 speed split just seems to do what I’m asking of it better.
 
JR4X said:
The 6.7 doesn’t touch the parameters my 6.4 does. I borrowed the 6.7 version of my truck to tow my trailer to Disney Oklahoma for the finals. 26 psi max boost and having to back out of it on hills for EGT’s. Way to easy to hit 1400°.

My 6.4 does 44 psi at 1140 EGT all day. Until I got a tired turbo I never had to let off for skyrocketing EGT’s. I’ve put over 100K on this truck with 498 rear wheel hp. It takes a lot of secondary investment to get a 6.7 to that place. The 5 speed split just seems to do what I’m asking of it better.
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Sounds like you invested a lot in the 6.4 But not willing to do that to a different platform?
 
Tiha said:
Sounds like you invested a lot in the 6.4 But not willing to do that to a different platform?
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It only took $2,200 extra bucks to get that out of my 6.4. Still has stock turbo’s in it, stock injectors, stock pumps.

Maybe $2,200 then is the same as $5k or $7k now with inflation.
 
well for what its worth, my dad just rebuilt a 6.4. Granted he owed on it, and it wasnt work what he owed with a popped motor. If the truck is clean and tight otherwise, id rebuild unless you really want something newer. A tuned 6.4 is pretty gnarly.
 
JR4X said:
It only took $2,200 extra bucks to get that out of my 6.4. Still has stock turbo’s in it, stock injectors, stock pumps.

Maybe $2,200 then is the same as $5k or $7k now with inflation.
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I would have to look again but I thought you could get 200hp plug and play out of a 6.7 tuner.
 
Do the minimum viable fixes. If the truck is in generally good shape you can drag out the decline over another 20yr at which point the power/performance gap will be more favorable toward upgrading.
 
I was faced with a similar situation a year or so ago. My 2012 Ram needed a bunch of work, so I dropped $16k at ATS on a turbo and trans and some more in other places on injectors, etc.

I have never been happy with the transmission rebuild.

My truck now has a PITA electrical gremlin.

I need a water pump.

I need suspension work.

I wish I had gotten a new truck.
 
stupid question but why not step up to medium duty truck if going to be racing and towing frequently. seems like you have a large trailer so the extra power and weight of a mdt might be worth it. for 20g you can find a pretty nice mdt truck
 
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Snowracer said:
stupid question but why not step up to medium duty truck if going to be racing and towing frequently. seems like you have a large trailer so the extra power and weight of a mdt might be worth it. for 20g you can find a pretty nice mtd truck
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Price out operating costs on an MDT.
 
lagunaMS said:
isn't this how YotaAtieToo started his 12v swap? lol
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Obviously he needs a ecoboost F150 :flipoff2:


I've also had good personal experience with the 6.4, my work had 2 of them. 1 with ~260k miles when I left and minimal issues.

I'm not understanding why not just put new or upgraded turbos on and keep on keeping on? How does a bad turbo equal a new engine?
 
JR4X said:
With a caveat though. It’s getting pretty sketchy to delete bad things from new diesels.
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Unless testing is required you can hide the mods from visual inspection. Just like the old days. Drop it, gut it, put it back up. Put block off plates under the EGR cooler. Reinstall egr cooler with longer bolts.

I have a 2014 that is deleted. Parts removed. They are in the barn. Heck the Cat from my 1995 is in the barn.

Deleted it because it was going to cost me $1200 to delete or $2800 to repair.

I don't tow as often or probably not as heavy as you but no complaints on stock towing power. Seems weird you had problems.

Tried the boxed tunes that came with the minimax tuner and hated the way they drove so I have been running stock fueling.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Obviously he needs a ecoboost F150 :flipoff2:


I've also had good personal experience with the 6.4, my work had 2 of them. 1 with ~260k miles when I left and minimal issues.

I'm not understanding why not just put new or upgraded turbos on and keep on keeping on? How does a bad turbo equal a new engine?
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Because 200K + 6.4 :confused:

I’ve expected a little 6.4 bashing. A lot people around here think it’s the only thing less reliable than a 6.0
 
Tiha said:
I would have to look again but I thought you could get 200hp plug and play out of a 6.7 tuner.
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You might be able to but with 500hp/1200 as standard rating in a new one with 10 transmission speeds I can't imagine there is a comparison in reality towing 5R 6.4 vs 10R 6.7.
 
I'm not going to bash the 6.4's they caused me a LOT of heartache in my two International service trucks from 2013-2019 but that's a hard job for that engine and I know several people who had great luck from their 6.4's.
 
JR4X said:
Because 200K + 6.4 :confused:

I’ve expected a little 6.4 bashing. A lot people around here think it’s the only thing less reliable than a 6.0
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If you've had good luck, I don't think there is a reason it couldn't go 300k+

Even if it only goes 50k at least you know you got a low mile Turbo for your new long block.

I think the advantage of the 6.0 has is that it's a little easier to work on as a shade tree mechanic and I believe cheaper.
 
JR4X said:
Because 200K + 6.4 :confused:

I’ve expected a little 6.4 bashing. A lot people around here think it’s the only thing less reliable than a 6.0
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Everyone's experience is different. just cuz yours didnt' have problems- if you could buy a new one, maybe it was built on a friday and it would have problems and youd think different?. just like the 6.0 they have been dead reliable for many people.


you cant get a brand new 6.4 so two options are brand new or rebuild yours. both can have issues one has a lower buy in. rebuild what you got, work with the good you know.
(also i'm no stranger to putting more money into a vehicle than its worth, not long ago i spent $6000 for a trans in the wifes burban, 6speeds expensive. only paid $7k for it 3-4yrs ago. sucks but i think it was the best value option for the money at the time)





speaking on economial basis only... the writing is on the wall, the tides haven't turned yet but somewhere around the 25k gvw will be the split. less than 25k gas will save money, over 25k diesel makes since. maybe that number should be 20k or 30k, the points still the same. i tow mostly 18-20k and rarely over 22k. Everyone in my group runs diesels and tow about the same, i spend far less money. the one person with the f450 by far spend the most, gearing kills him. gotta tow over 30k or drive no more than 60mph to make a 450 make any kind of sence
 
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