Is there a "hidden jem" place to live left in America?

[YotaAtieToo]

Like seemingly every other person living in CA, we really liked Northern ID. We visited 7 years ago, and just loved it. Kinda similar to where we live now, but more green and cheaper land. We decided against making the move because we didn't want to leave family behind. Fast forward to the present and we have to leave this state. The fact that they're not only not prosecuting anyone, but straight up releasing felons, is already apparent when watching near by crime.

Looking at North ID, the property prices are pretty much the same as where we are, but the wages are less than half. It's seeming like an unrealistic move.

For the heck of it, I have been looking at TN, AL, AR, MO, ect. God dang is stuff cheap out there. I've never been east of San Antonio and even then, it was only a brief trip. I always hear about how bad the humidity is. I'm not a fan of the heat, but I have dealt with working in ~110* many times. Yet people say 110* dry ain't got shit on 90* in the south. Is it as bad as everyone says?

I also like mountains, snow, ect. Not sure what part of that area is actual mountains. I'm not expecting any real snow anywhere in the south.

Also, "xx is full" ya I get it, no one wants a CA guy moving to their state. Don't worry, we're just looking for a place where the government will help us out and people from all over the world have the same rights as us

 

[Deleted Member]

There is a hidden gem "place to live" left... quite a few actually. My little town is getting swamped this summer.

Sucks, but kinda sweet at the same time. Getting crowded, but my home price is seemingly soaring.

 

[Provience]

AL/AR/MO/TN/KY/GA/NC/SC

pick up a map with elevation indicated, find some decent sized hills and go check them out sure, the mountains aren't real, but they are certainly good enough!

 

[evernoob]

If we tell you, it wouldn't be hidden now would it?

It doesn't exist. Go to the SouthEast, they love Californians. Their economy is growing, and land is still cheap. If someone calls the cops on you for a gun, the cops will come and beat them with sticks. Learn how to say 'winders' instead of 'windows'. Get comfortable with vertical family trees.

Yeah, I think the SouthEast is for you. Georgia or Alabamy.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

There is a hidden gem "place to live" left... quite a few actually. My little town is getting swamped this summer.

Sucks, but kinda sweet at the same time. Getting crowded, but my home price is seemingly soaring.

We looked in AZ before we even had kids (9 years ago?) we liked flagstaff, but it felt like a small area that was actually timbered mountains. I have always been jealous of AZ wheelin though.

White mountains is east of flagstaff?

AL/AR/MO/TN/KY/GA/NC/SC

pick up a map with elevation indicated, find some decent sized hills and go check them out sure, the mountains aren't real, but they are certainly good enough!

We've talked about borrowing her sisters 35' trailer and checking out the south, we've never been.

You've lived all over right? If the south is so good, why don't you live there?

 

[YotaAtieToo]

If we tell you, it wouldn't be hidden now would it?

It doesn't exist. Go to the SouthEast, they love Californians. Their economy is growing, and land is still cheap. If someone calls the cops on you for a gun, the cops will come and beat them with sticks. Learn how to say 'winders' instead of 'windows'. Get comfortable with vertical family trees.

Yeah, I think the SouthEast is for you. Georgia or Alabamy.

You just mentioned in another thread that you live in an apartment, so your opinion is invalid here.

 

[Provience]

We looked in AZ before we even had kids (9 years ago?) we liked flagstaff, but it felt like a small area that was actually timbered mountains. I have always been jealous of AZ wheelin though.

White mountains is east of flagstaff?



We've talked about borrowing her sisters 35' trailer and checking out the south, we've never been.

You've lived all over right? If the south is so good, why don't you live there?

because i live all over due to work, and they've got me in WA right now

also, i apparently bought in ID before the price exploded, but when it was still high. I hope it doesn't get bad, or else i'll have to move to ND or somewhere more cold and more windy to get away from people

 

[evernoob]

You just mentioned in another thread that you live in an apartment, so your opinion is invalid here.

I don't get it. Why is it invalid? Apartments are in some way not in the place they're in?

 

[evernoob]

You just mentioned in another thread that you live in an apartment, so your opinion is invalid here.

Also, it's Gem not 'jem'. I can't remember the last time I saw someone misspell a 3-letter word.

 

[Slander]

NC is full. Illinois is pretty sweet!!

On a serious note ID is sweet, but you hit the nail on the head, stupid expensive real estate and low pay. I enjoyed montana but my guess its the same situation as ID.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

I love when people think they're more intelligent because they wasted more time memorizing how to spell words. I know some stupid people who are pretty good at spelling. But good for you, you got me. :rolleyes:​​​​​​




Anyway, how's that humidity?




The other area would be say Michigan? Everyone here thinks it's snow and ice 11 months of the year, but maybe it's not that bad. I'm fine with colder winters, but not really looking for 9 months of winter.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

NC is full. Illinois is pretty sweet!!

On a serious note ID is sweet, but you hit the nail on the head, stupid expensive real estate and low pay. I enjoyed montana but my guess its the same situation as ID.

Quick to jump on the bandwagon I see ​​​​​​

I'm still not counting out ID, I have feeling that it's going to drop soon, it just can't keep going up as it is. Western MT, has the same thing going. I haven't been to the Eastern side, but I'm not super interested, back to the 9 month winters, and wind, I hate wind.

 

[CenCon]

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[Slander]

Michigan is nice, but get ready to drive FAR for good wheeling... down in the south east. If you are into boating and shit it's nice! The great lakes are damn near inland oceans. I enjoy the cold and snow, but be forwardned midwest snow isnt like fluffy mountain snow, its slushy icey heavy stuff!

 

[Slander]

Quick to jump on the bandwagon I see ​​​​​​

I always wanted to say that LOL

 

[CLRracer]

Anyway, how's that humidity?

Humid

It sucks, but like anywhere else you can get used to it. Stay hydrated. The higher elevations have temps and humidity more tolerable than lower elevations, and can see some decent snowfall too.

Duane

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Michigan is nice, but get ready to drive FAR for good wheeling... down in the south east. If you are into boating and shit it's nice! The great lakes are damn near inland oceans. I enjoy the cold and snow, but be forwardned midwest snow isnt like fluffy mountain snow, its slushy icey heavy stuff!

I can't justify moving or not moving for wheelin. We do a lot of exploring type shit as it is. Probably just get more into dirt bikes. I do hate boats though, so ​​​​​​

I just want to live somewhere where you don't need to have 2 incomes and work your life away just to afford an average house. Everyone I know is either working constantly to afford their mortgage and/or gets off work and has to work on their house or property constantly.

We also live in one of the lowest wage counties in CA, and the property isn't really that cheap.

 

[ExWrench]

Also, it's Gem not 'jem'. I can't remember the last time I saw someone misspell a 3-letter word.

Actually, it's "gem", not "Gem". I can't believe you fucked up capitalization while correcting spelling.

 

[Slander]

I can't justify moving or not moving for wheelin. We do a lot of exploring type shit as it is. Probably just get more into dirt bikes. I do hate boats though, so ​​​​​​

I just want to live somewhere where you don't need to have 2 incomes and work your life away just to afford an average house. Everyone I know is either working constantly to afford their mortgage and/or gets off work and has to work on their house or property constantly.

We also live in one of the lowest wage counties in CA, and the property isn't really that cheap.

If that's your metric, pretty much everywhere east of the Rockies until you hit 100miles from the east coast fits your bill. Seriously... I dont know how you all live out there in CA cost wise.

 

[Deleted Member]

We looked in AZ before we even had kids (9 years ago?) we liked flagstaff, but it felt like a small area that was actually timbered mountains. I have always been jealous of AZ wheelin though.

White mountains is east of flagstaff?

I know what ya mean by small timbered area, and it is small compared to the white mountains... This area is VAST and wanders way in to New Mexico territory.
I live maybe 50 - 60 minutes or so from the New Mexico border. These mountains run up into the continental divide, and go as far west as Payson. Beautiful area, but the town I am in now is getting busy. To busy for the miss's and I.
There are a lot of places like this though.

We were panning a short term move to the South, then on to another area back up here in the White Mountain area... but alas, we are now waiting to see what kind of cluster fawk the election is gonna bring.

 

[Provience]

I can't justify moving or not moving for wheelin. We do a lot of exploring type shit as it is. Probably just get more into dirt bikes. I do hate boats though, so ​​​​​​

I just want to live somewhere where you don't need to have 2 incomes and work your life away just to afford an average house. Everyone I know is either working constantly to afford their mortgage and/or gets off work and has to work on their house or property constantly.

We also live in one of the lowest wage counties in CA, and the property isn't really that cheap.

yeah just about the whole world will work out for you. go exploring!

I don't know the difference between many of the northern states east of about one of the Dakota's, but the prices drop off a bunch more outside the cities and the wages are still generally decent.

pick a HVAC zone that you like and go visit a few

 

[YotaAtieToo]

If that's your metric, pretty much everywhere east of the Rockies until you hit 100miles from the east coast fits your bill. Seriously... I dont know how you all live out there in CA cost wise.

Were far outside of any city. If you are patient and a little lucky you can get decent prices on property. My buddy picked up 5 acres with a decent 3/2 and 2 car garage for $160k a few years ago. He's been remodeling it, but it's been liveable the whole time.

The fire really whacked out the pricing in the area, 18k houses deleted in an area that isn't really that populated. Then people were taking their insurance money from their house and belongings and throwing crazy offers at places, just because they were sick of a trailer or hotel, or a spare room at the inlaws.

The one kicker with the south is how far it is from here. As much as I want to get out, it's still where I grew up and where a good chunk of friends and family are. I'd like to be able to drive back somewhat regularly, TN to CA isn't going to happen much.

 

[KrustyTJ]

I can't justify moving or not moving for wheelin. We do a lot of exploring type shit as it is. Probably just get more into dirt bikes. I do hate boats though, so ​​​​​​

I just want to live somewhere where you don't need to have 2 incomes and work your life away just to afford an average house. Everyone I know is either working constantly to afford their mortgage and/or gets off work and has to work on their house or property constantly.

We also live in one of the lowest wage counties in CA, and the property isn't really that cheap.

I would go take some trips to check things out I've made a few moves myself mostly work related. I moved back to Michigan about 6 yrs ago probably going to stay for awhile at least up to retirement. There's lots of atv/ dirtbike trails check out the DNR web page for trail maps and such also some private places to go wheeling.

 

[McCracken]

You can come to the southeast if you'd like but being from where you are I'd say the humidity will take you down. I'm amazed the difference in where I used to live (western NC) compared to here (eastern TN) and they're only an hour to an hour and a half apart. It got hot back home but the humidity was nowhere near what it is up here.

 

[subybaja]

Also, it's Gem not 'jem'. I can't remember the last time I saw someone misspell a 3-letter word.

Pfft.

No winter? Well, nevermind then. I wish climate had kept out the Californians who run Anchorage.

 

[woods]

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No neighbors. In the woods. Lakes. Mountains. Ocean 1h away. Hunt from my back porch. Lake fishing 20m away. Tons of dirt roads to explore. Zero guns laws. Low crime. Not a single to worry about. We get all four seasons; negative temps in the winter and 100º in the summer. Property taxes are a little high, but no income or sales tax.

We done good.

 

[evernoob]

I love when people think they're more intelligent because they wasted more time memorizing how to spell words. I know some stupid people who are pretty good at spelling. But good for you, you got me. :rolleyes:​​​​​​




Anyway, how's that humidity?




The other area would be say Michigan? Everyone here thinks it's snow and ice 11 months of the year, but maybe it's not that bad. I'm fine with colder winters, but not really looking for 9 months of winter.

Michigan is not snow and ice for 11 months. It is snow and ice for 10 months, then 2 months of mosquito season. They use tons of salt per mile of road, so the lifespan of a vehicle is 5 years. There are literally no old cars left in the State, every single barn find was gone by 1997. Chevy trucks rust out the cab behind the lower door. Fords rust out the fenders. Dodges rust out the doors themselves. Doing any sort of work on your vehicle will involve 2 cans of pb blaster, an impact gun, breaker bar, and multiple snapped bolt heads. Every city south of a line from Saginaw to Muskegon Heights south is dominated by joggers. Crime is through the roof. Our Governor is a pumpkin-headed richie girl angling for the VP spot and she's more than happy to sacrifice the State to do it. State politics is dominated by the SouthEast, literally nobody else gets a say, and I'm not exaggerating. The car companies dominate what happens vis a vis vehicles, so that they can sell more shitboxes. The State sales tax is 6%. The roads are the worst I've ever seen, you will be replacing shocks and ball joints all the time (they will be rusted to the point of needing a torch), and forget lo-pro tires because you'll be buying rims on a monthly basis. The snow is beautiful for 10 minutes, then it turns into a dark gray polluted shit pile of hell. Ice dams build up on your eaves and then water comes through the ceiling. The cuisine is terrible, our idea of exotic ethnic food is the perogi (don't ask). If you eat too much fish you get mercury poisoning. Several thousand people die each year falling through the ice while ice-fishing. The nearest wheeling to any city that has jobs is a minimum of 4 hours unless you like running through the same mud hole multiple times. The Great Lakes are cold as fuck and they never give up their dead when the gales of November come calling. We have something called 'Lake Effect Snow' which is a prettified way to say 'instant Zero visibility while you are driving on the highway'. We have 250-car pileups on a more or less regular basis. Every August, when Winter begins and we get our first blizzard, everyone pretends they forgot how to drive the last two months and makes like a Floridian, mashing the gas peddle to the floor and driving at least 10 mph faster on black ice than they do on dry roads. Oh yeah, we have something called black ice. This means that any time, from August until June, you can be driving on a perfectly dry asphalt road and suddenly it feels like your wheels are not connected to the Earth. This effect is random and there is no warning. You will total your car on deer strikes at least 3 times per year. You can't eat the roadkill because they have Zombie disease. This is a condition where deer will show up in your driveway and stare at you, huffing and drooling, bobbing its head around. They charge a $1.00 per can deposit on all beverage containers, you will spend hours at Meijer returning all your disgusting pop and beer cans which you have to save to return to make the mortgage. We call 'soda' Pop. Not Coke. Not soda pop. Pop. We have a State Uniform, it is called Mossy Oak. If you do not wear at least one article of Mossy Oak, you can and will be arrested. The State Troopers are a mafia, we call them the Gumball Mafia. they have a giant gumball machine on top of their cruisers which need to be filled with speeding tickets. Every July 4th, when Fall begins, the leaves fall off the oak tress and they... never... rot... and kill all your grass. The State lawn is crabgrass. All of our coins are Canadian and they don't work in any vending machines or car washes. $10 roll of quarters? All Canadian. It is against the Law to use coins from the US Mint here, and you will be arrested for Coining if you try. We have No Fault insurance which means that every Illegal Alien that the Texans lets through somehow winds up in Michigan to run into your car then drive off. Now your insurance goes up. The tag fee is $10 per pound of vehicle. Every June, when Spring begins, they switch to a formula of gasoline that makes your engine knock. We are an unattractive folk, and fat. I haven't seen a woman over a 6/10 in at least four years. The average body weight is 328 pounds. Michigan's idea of BBQ is boiling leg quarters in Sweet Baby Ray's in a hotel pan on a steam table. We have something called 'Broasted Chicken' which means chicken boiled in pressurized oil until it resembles cookie dough. Every white person west of Lansing and south of Ludington is Dutch. Every last name begins with a 'Van' and ends with two a's: aa. If your name is not Dutch you will be quietly stalked and shunned until you sell your house for 50% of its market value and move away. Every other white person in the State is Polish, and their name ends with 'ski'. Our professional football team has never won a Superbowl or as far as I know even finished a Regular Season. Hockey fans are still talking about octogenarians who last played hockey in 1998. Our State Dish is Little Caesar's Pizza which is a fine way to describe a saltine cracker with tomato juice poured on top. We have 10,000 dams constructed out of beaver pelts in 1812 which fail on a weekly basis. The only time that you will not see Turkeys mobbing up the Interstate Highway to the point of bringing commerce to a dead halt is Turkey Season. During Turkey Season, all of our turkeys fly to Wisconsin. Our State's premier college football team has not won a game since 1962. The official language of the city of Ann Arbor is Mandarin. One semester of college at UMich is $425,000 per white State resident, and -$22,000 for a Chinese guy from Shenhzen. We boast a solid 13 days of sunshine per year. Even though Michigan is buried in at least fourteen feet of snopack for 10 months out of the year, inexplicably no one can remember the last White Christmas we've enjoyed. Climatologists and Geologists seem to be settling on some time in the Paleozoic Era. The well water smells and tastes like brimstone, and the city water is gray with lead. Our State Game is called 'Euchre', and if you do not know how to prepare a card deck for this game or understand the intricate rules of it, you will be quietly escorted to the Ohio border by a mob of stony-faced men. If you over-trump your partner's Bower, you will be executed on the spot and your children sold into slavery. Repeat after me: If your partner orders it up, always show your right Bower as soon as trump is broken. If you do not understand these words, you are not welcome here.

If you can abide these conditions and agree to our rules, you are welcome to enjoy our State.

 

[Toreadorranger]

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No neighbors. In the woods. Lakes. Mountains. Ocean 1h away. Hunt from my back porch. Lake fishing 20m away. Tons of dirt roads to explore. Zero guns laws. Low crime. Not a single to worry about. We get all four seasons; negative temps in the winter and 100º in the summer. Property taxes are a little high, but no income or sales tax.

We done good.

I'm 2 states south of you, your property taxes could be worse, they could be what I pay.

 

[SanDiegoCJ]

Like seemingly every other person living in CA, we really liked Northern ID. We visited 7 years ago, and just loved it. Kinda similar to where we live now, but more green and cheaper land. We decided against making the move because we didn't want to leave family behind. Fast forward to the present and we have to leave this state. The fact that they're not only not prosecuting anyone, but straight up releasing felons, is already apparent when watching near by crime.

Looking at North ID, the property prices are pretty much the same as where we are, but the wages are less than half. It's seeming like an unrealistic move.

For the heck of it, I have been looking at TN, AL, AR, MO, ect. God dang is stuff cheap out there. I've never been east of San Antonio and even then, it was only a brief trip. I always hear about how bad the humidity is. I'm not a fan of the heat, but I have dealt with working in ~110* many times. Yet people say 110* dry ain't got shit on 90* in the south. Is it as bad as everyone says?

I also like mountains, snow, ect. Not sure what part of that area is actual mountains. I'm not expecting any real snow anywhere in the south.

Also, "xx is full" ya I get it, no one wants a CA guy moving to their state. Don't worry, we're just looking for a place where the government will help us out and people from all over the world have the same rights as us

I spent a year outside Memphis, Tn and in the summer it's like living in a steam bath. In less than a minute after you step out of the shower you're sweaty again. They didn't have snow when I was there, just a nasty ice storm that left 2" of ice on everything. Also, be prepared for a mega-shit-ton of very large bugs.

 

[IH-SSII]

I suggest Chicago.