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'I can't breathe': Man dies after pleading with officer during Minneapolis arrest

Paragon said:
The cause of death, according to the private autopsy, was mechanical asphyxia and the manner of death was homicide.

Shortly after the family’s autopsy findings were announced, the Hennepin County medical examiner released its own findings, also concluding that the manner of death was homicide. The county attributed the cause of death to “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.”

In other words, Mr. Floyd’s heart stopped beating and his lungs stopped taking in air while he was being restrained by law enforcement.
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That's a lie and post where you got it from.

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The case title is

CASE TITLE: CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION
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There is literally no 'cause of death' listed in the entire document.

This medical exam was conducted under the presumption of his cause of death being that, and the findings do not indicate it was the cause of death.

Sneaky sneaky sneaky :shaking:
 
the Hennepin County medical examiner released its own findings, also concluding that the manner of death was homicide
 
rockota said:
Dumb question... should they not also arrest the bystanders as accessories for not intervening?
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I've asked myself that--why didn't someone tackle that fucker off of him? It's because they would've likely been shot. At the very least, beat on and arrested for Assault on an Officer, and it would've taken at least weeks in jail before they dropped the charges, maybe months.
 
Paragon said:
Yes, that was a dumb question
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perhaps... But if it wasn't officers involved, they would be accessories... So if those who are standing around and not intervening is *not* worthy of arrest... then why are the other 3 officers being arrest?
 
rockota said:
perhaps... But if it wasn't officers involved, they would be accessories... So if those who are standing around and not intervening is *not* worthy of arrest... then why are the other 3 officers being arrest?
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I’m not going to entertain your absurdness because it’s a simple-minded troll attempt. Using absurdity has never been a successful debate tactic and is weak and amateurish
 
Paragon said:
I’m not going to entertain your absurdness because it’s a simple-minded troll attempt. Using absurdity has never been a successful debate tactic and is weak and amateurish
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Wasn't a trolling attempt. But if you're classifying any question that doesn't fit your world view as trolling, then perhaps you should reevaluate your definition of weak and amateurish. Oh well, I'll not sleep any less.
 
rockota said:
Wasn't a trolling attempt. But if you're classifying any question that doesn't fit your world view as trolling, then perhaps you should reevaluate your definition of weak and amateurish. Oh well, I'll not sleep any less.
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I’m classifying you as weak and amateurish. No way are you world view, fuck you ain’t even nationwide.

Yes it is a troll attempt because you are asking an absurd question you already know the legitimate answer to
 
rockota said:
Dumb question... should they not also arrest the bystanders as accessories for not intervening?
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Jebuss dude. That is about the dumbest question I have heard this week. The bystanders did not arrest him. They were not active participants. The were witnesses who tried to communicate to the officers that Floyd was in distress.

So if a bystander had shot all 4 cops to get Floyd free because they feared for his life you are cool with that? Cause that is the only way that you are going to stop a cop from doing his perceived job at the time. You see where that would go fast?

One basic premise of our justice system SHOULD be no matter what happened to land you in cuffs once you are in them it is "BAD" that any retribution or damage is inflicted while they are helpless. It is simply dirty pool after that. Fear of that is one of the things that makes people run from the cops and risk hurting other innocent bystanders in car chases.
 
If someone would have ran in there and tackled the officer off the top of him, they would likely have been beaten or even shot. Surely charged with impeding an officer.

If that happened and Floyd didn't die, there would likely be no riots/protests that ever happened so therefore what you actually accomplished would have been a blip in a news cycle and your life could be fucked, or over.
 
Johann said:
Jebuss dude. That is about the dumbest question I have heard this week. The bystanders did not arrest him. They were not active participants. The were witnesses who tried to communicate to the officers that Floyd was in distress.

So if a bystander had shot all 4 cops to get Floyd free because they feared for his life you are cool with that? Cause that is the only way that you are going to stop a cop from doing his perceived job at the time. You see where that would go fast?

One basic premise of our justice system SHOULD be no matter what happened to land you in cuffs once you are in them it is "BAD" that any retribution or damage is inflicted while they are helpless. It is simply dirty pool after that. Fear of that is one of the things that makes people run from the cops and risk hurting other innocent bystanders in car chases.
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In the video, 3 of the officers appear to be doing nothing as well. I'm not saying they should not be charged... I'm just stating that if they are accessories, the only thing that differentiates them from others who were watching and recording is their uniform. I was curious, so I asked.

Have no good answer to your question about shooting the officers. That wasn't really the crux of my inquiry, but a good point of which I do not disagree.

Agree with your last statement.
 
rockota said:
In the video, 3 of the officers appear to be doing nothing as well. I'm not saying they should not be charged... I'm just stating that if they are accessories, the only thing that differentiates them from others who were watching and recording is their uniform. I was curious, so I asked.

Have no good answer to your question about shooting the officers. That wasn't really the crux of my inquiry, but a good point of which I do not disagree.

Agree with your last statement.
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If they actually saw what was going on and it looks like they did I would imagine that they SHOULD be charged with lesser offences like failure to give aid or what else is on the books for negligence. Cops need to have the motivation to correct a fellow officers actions when they go wrong either maliciously or by failure in training.

Either way a pound of flesh will be carved from those other officers and thrown to the mob.
 
rockota said:
Dumb question... should they not also arrest the bystanders as accessories for not intervening?
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Yes, they should have. Any time you see the Police interacting with a Citizen, you should stop what you're doing and give play-by-play instructions to the Police, make sure they're doing it right. If they don't comply you should intervene. They're our Police, they should do what we say.
 
rockota said:
perhaps... But if it wasn't officers involved, they would be accessories... So if those who are standing around and not intervening is *not* worthy of arrest... then why are the other 3 officers being arrest?
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Have another cup of coffee.

If the cops are arresting someone and you intervene, at a minimum your going to get arrested and face multiple charges regardless of your intent. If it was a mob of people doing that to a guy then thats different. But interfering in an arrest especially in todays day and age will probably get you shot.
 
Thefishguy77 said:
Have another cup of coffee.

If the cops are arresting someone and you intervene, at a minimum your going to get arrested and face multiple charges regardless of your intent. If it was a mob of people doing that to a guy then thats different. But interfering in an arrest especially in todays day and age will probably get you shot.
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I agree with your statements...
 
If you're charging the one cop with murder, I guess it kind of turns the other cops into 'accomplices' in the act. Seems that will depend on how pinning a guy to the ground during arrest is viewed. Is it not lawful to pin a guy ground? Or just not with your knee on his neck as he passes out?


Going to backfire when those other officers get off on charges, cue more 'no justice, no peace' narrative and rioting.
 
Ebs said:
If you're charging the one cop with murder, I guess it kind of turns the other cops into 'accomplices' in the act. Seems that will depend on how pinning a guy to the ground during arrest is viewed. Is it not lawful to pin a guy ground? Or just not with your knee on his neck as he passes out?


Going to backfire when those other officers get off on charges, cue more 'no justice, no peace' narrative and rioting.
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you don't think the other guy(s) that were on his back and helping to hold down the guy for nearly 9 minutes are as culpable?

This is the oddity of video, it's all you focus on

The guy on the neck might likely not be the exact total reason for the asphyxiation. The guy on his back certainly contributed

And no, it was never and should never be standard to sit on a cuffed guy on his stomach for 8 minutes waiting on a bus to arrive because you suspect he has medical issues.
 
and why was he still fighting the police? he was cuffed and would not get in the car. i am starting to think he would be alive today if he had not made a series of bad decisions. granted the cops is a killer and needed to go. but the more i see, the more it is escalated by the dead fella.
 
gunracer1 said:
and why was he still fighting the police? he was cuffed and would not get in the car. i am starting to think he would be alive today if he had not made a series of bad decisions. granted the cops is a killer and needed to go. but the more i see, the more it is escalated by the dead fella.
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I never saw video of him "fighting" the police but there is nothing that would change my opinion on the matter from the one video where he was not fighting for nearly 9 minutes
 
I just heard a blurb on the radio that the dead guy tested positive for COVID during his autopsy. Makes me wonder if it's actually true or if the hospital is just trying to get paid.
 
Floyd was a convicted felon, his crimes were of a violent nature. Police were good as spotting him for what he was. Maybe he had turned over into a good citizen...He certainly didn't deserve what he got from the cops...At the same time it's hard for me to have sympathy for a man that in the past pushed himself on other people.
 
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