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The more I understand about what happen the more questions I have. How the fuck was this not covered?





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Provience said:
Especially at something mobile. Like a head.

It's why pistols are the better tool for assassination. Guess thats something holleywood does good, makes it seem like the rifle and distance is the way to go
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If you want to get away with it a rifle with good rounds are always better. And you don't aim at the head, always always center of mass.
 
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Roc Doc said:
I don't think you're aware of what any large number of current competitive shooters are capable of under a 90 or 120 second clock.

I shot a match today in 105* heat, and I'm old and fat, and stil got my hits out to 1080. Modern ballistics , machining, and especially optics make this possible. Shit, even two of my AR's can get first round hits on a torso target at 1k, 400 on a 8" target is no problem...and again, I'm a mid-pack shooter, the guys that are good are really good.

False flag, or whacko. If deep state sponsored it's false flag with intentional misses, or if it's a whacko then he's just a shitty shooter or with shitty gear.
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Plenty aware :laughing:

I don't think you understand where the "average" line actually is.
 
Provience said:
Plenty aware :laughing:

I don't think you understand where the "average" line actually is.
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Plenty aware.

The guys I shoot with are FAR above the average as they are in other shooting clubs around the nation, which is why I don't reference the "average" in this situation.

Whacko or false flag.
 
Roc Doc said:
Plenty aware.

The guys I shoot with are FAR above the average as they are in other shooting clubs around the nation, which is why I don't reference the "average" in this situation.

Whacko or false flag.
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Right, which is why for this guy to pick up a rifle, make the climb, get his shot and be anywhere in the vicinity of his target is probably trained in some way and well likely "the best shooter he knows" or some such
 
Steve300xcw said:
I dunno. He's gotta be wearing a vest of some sorts
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Yeah, I'm not up on the latest body armor, but i'm sure it's the best of the best. Even so, I've not heard of any fashionable body armor that can stop modern HV rounds at semi close distances. Handgun rounds for sure, but even an M855 is going to cause problems if a torso hit, penetration, spalling and all that.
 
Roc Doc said:
Plenty aware.

The guys I shoot with are FAR above the average as they are in other shooting clubs around the nation, which is why I don't reference the "average" in this situation.

Whacko or false flag.
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I saw 130 yards....

And if you carefully listen to the BBC interview with the Witness he stated that they saw the guy climb up on the Roof but they didn't see the rifle right away and the Roof was on an angle that would block him from the counter snipers so wasn't till I got towards the Peak that the counter snipers would have seen a rifle and they started screaming that he had a gun
 
Provience said:
Right, which is why for this guy to pick up a rifle, make the climb, get his shot and be anywhere in the vicinity of his target is probably trained in some way and well likely "the best shooter he knows" or some such
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Maybe, or maybe he's like the bastard that shot up LV, that was just a whacko, that knew a bit of something about ballistics. He had dope cards, but I'm highly doubtful that they were as precise as what we use on on out weekend comps, but with that mass of targets it was good enough. RIP
 
DT75FLH said:
I saw 130 yards....

And if you carefully listen to the BBC interview with the Witness he stated that they saw the guy climb up on the Roof but they didn't see the rifle right away and the Roof was on an angle that would block him from the counter snipers so wasn't till I got towards the Peak that the counter snipers would have seen a rifle and they started screaming that he had a gun
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And with seconds to react, you best not smoke some dude with a rake or leaf blower or some nonsense psycho that just wanted to "test them" or some dumb shit
 
Roc Doc said:
Plenty aware.

The guys I shoot with are FAR above the average as they are in other shooting clubs around the nation, which is why I don't reference the "average" in this situation.

Whacko or false flag.
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Who do you trust to shoot your ear off at - whatever the final yardage is determined to be - that would enable a false flag is you were giving a speech?
 
Roc Doc said:
Maybe, or maybe he's like the bastard that shot up LV, that was just a whacko, that knew a bit of something about ballistics. He had dope cards, but I'm highly doubtful that they were as precise as what we use on on out weekend comps, but with that mass of targets it was good enough. RIP
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That dude was also above average.

Also easier plan to just go for the mass
 
DT75FLH said:
I saw 130 yards....

And if you carefully listen to the BBC interview with the Witness he stated that they saw the guy climb up on the Roof but they didn't see the rifle right away and the Roof was on an angle that would block him from the counter snipers so wasn't till I got towards the Peak that the counter snipers would have seen a rifle and they started screaming that he had a gun
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130 seems like an awfully short perimeter. As I'm sure you know, info is limited/FUBAR right now.
 
Roc Doc said:
Yeah, I'm not up on the latest body armor, but i'm sure it's the best of the best. Even so, I've not heard of any fashionable body armor that can stop modern HV rounds at semi close distances. Handgun rounds for sure, but even an M855 is going to cause problems if a torso hit, penetration, spalling a
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I also think that by the time he went up to the peak And leveled a rifle ....and tried to get a shot off he had very minimal time before Counter snipers would have seen him and the witness was stating that they were waving and they saw the secret service guys with binoculars looking at them they were trying to point to the roof but I don't think SS had a line of sight On the shooters till he was close up due to the angle of the roof to the shooter...


So I think Trump was very lucky and I think the shooter was probably decent but with his adrenaline dump going up to the peak And trying a head shot with minimal time I think Trump was just very lucky
 
I imagine if you study a guy who speaks in public enough, you would notice patterns in his movements.
 
DT75FLH said:
I also think that by the time he went up to the peak And leveled a rifle ....and tried to get a shot off he had very minimal time before Counter snipers would have seen him and the witness was stating that they were waving and they saw the secret service guys with binoculars looking at them they were trying to point to the roof but I don't think they had a line of sight On the shooters till he was closen up due to the angle of the roof to the shooter...


So I think Trump was very lucky and I think the shooter was probably decent but with his adrenaline dump going up to the peak annoying head minimal time I think Trump was just very lucky
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Most likely.

Still, all of the available line of site positions should have been covered me thinks.
 
DT75FLH said:
I also think that by the time he went up to the peak And leveled a rifle ....and tried to get a shot off he had very minimal time before Counter snipers would have seen him and the witness was stating that they were waving and they saw the secret service guys with binoculars looking at them they were trying to point to the roof but I don't think they had a line of sight On the shooters till he was closen up due to the angle of the roof to the shooter...


So I think Trump was very lucky and I think the shooter was probably decent but with his adrenaline dump going up to the peak annoying head minimal time I think Trump was just very lucky
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Guessing I'm a much better shot out in the desert with my buddies playing expert marksman, than I would be taking a shot at a past and possibly future President :laughing:
 
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