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87manche said:
I'm not opposed.

but I wonder how many people don't pay attention and they're gonna get a big surprise when the state tacks on a $200 tax, oh I'm sorry, a $200 "fee" for owning a specific type of vehicle.
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Apparently freedom ISN'T free.

I wish they would extort a fee for the bicycles too, just to make it even.
 
Ditchrunner said:
I wish they would extort a fee for the bicycles too, just to make it even.
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Most people riding bikes have no money to take.

Also there's a bunch of people who deserve to share a hole in the ground who will unironically advocate for bike registration because <insert European city here> does it.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Most people riding bikes have no money to take.

Also there's a bunch of people who deserve to share a hole in the ground who will unironically advocate for bike registration because <insert European city here> does it.
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around here the cocksuckers riding bikes are one extreme or the other. the methhead on a 20yo bmx bike or the spandex dickhead riding a $5-10k road bike. They spend millions adding bike lanes, bike paths and other shit that the road tax pays for. the fucking bike paths are smooth as glass meanwhile the damn roads are so chug holed out that you will bend rims if you aren't careful. :flipoff:
 
87manche said:
I guess it depends on how many miles you drive.

but if a big selling point was not paying the fuel tax, the state just took it away this year.
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.38 tax per gallon in Ohio.

200/.38 is 526 “gallons” 526 x 40mpg for a standard hybrid is 21k getting a bit rich on their estimates.

I liked the hybrid I had and generally drove it when I didn’t need a truck. It would cruise at 75 and 40mpg all day long. The extended range and mpg was worth it over any savings on registration.
 
Does old age make people forget how to count or has it been that long since you idiots have gotten out of your gated subdivisions?

Sure there's a few rich idiots in spandex but they're outnumbered 100:1 if not 1000:1 by tweakers and no-hablas, or at least that's the case in any state where being an asshole in spandex is a seasonal thing.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Does old age make people forget how to count or has it been that long since you idiots have gotten out of your gated subdivisions?

Sure there's a few rich idiots in spandex but they're outnumbered 100:1 if not 1000:1 by tweakers and no-hablas, or at least that's the case in any state where being an asshole in spandex is a seasonal thing.
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yeah, but your state is a liberal cesspool.

don't judge the rest of us by your metrics.
If someone's riding a bike out my way they are probably doing it for fun, not necessity.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Most people riding bikes have no money to take.
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Let me help you out here. People riding bikes EITHER have no money anyway OR already pay road taxes on one or more cars anyway.


Taxing bicycles is a waste of money. I disagree with the excessive number of bicycle lanes and stuff. But if we tax a bike, then tax your feet too cause you walk across the road occasionally.

Suck roads will not be solved by taxing other lightweight road users. It will be solved by cutting way back on all the bullchit DOTs spend on including plush offices, social support programs and excessive construction oversight/management.
 
clodhopper said:
Let me help you out here. People riding bikes EITHER have no money anyway OR already pay road taxes on one or more cars anyway.


Taxing bicycles is a waste of money. I disagree with the excessive number of bicycle lanes and stuff. But if we tax a bike, then tax your feet too cause you walk across the road occasionally.

Suck roads will not be solved by taxing other lightweight road users. It will be solved by cutting way back on all the bullchit DOTs spend on including plush offices, social support programs and excessive construction oversight/management.
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I would argue that the single largest reason roads cost too fucking much to build is disadvantaged business owners.

it's basically a shell game for large contractors, they take 10-20% of the contract price for doing not much other than being a woman or minority so that the big contractor can satisfy the requirements to bid on the jobs from the state.

source:
A guy I know builds bridges for the state.
Guess what his wife and all his daughters own? Businesses that reflect his business hiring women owned businesses.
At least he keeps it all in his own family.

Then after the big dog contractors pump the "disadvantaged business" beyond the $$$ number the state qualifies them at, they get dropped like a hot potato and go bankrupt, because their utility is now gone.

DBE - Qualifications

oklahoma department of transportation, DBE, Disadvantaged Business Enterprise
www.odot.org
 
87manche said:
I would argue that the single largest reason roads cost too fucking much to build is disadvantaged business owners.

it's basically a shell game for large contractors, they take 10-20% of the contract price for doing not much other than being a woman or minority so that the big contractor can satisfy the requirements to bid on the jobs from the state.
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Don't forget the road salt, bullshit patching and other "spend a nickle every day because we can't afford a dollar once a month" type behavior.

My dad used to ride the commuter bus with a state bridge inspector. He would say a prayer every time they were coming up to a particular bridge. :laughing:
 
87manche said:
I would argue that the single largest reason roads cost too fucking much to build is disadvantaged business owners.

it's basically a shell game for large contractors, they take 10-20% of the contract price for doing not much other than being a woman or minority so that the big contractor can satisfy the requirements to bid on the jobs from the state.

source:
A guy I know builds bridges for the state.
Guess what his wife and all his daughters own? Businesses that reflect his business hiring women owned businesses.
At least he keeps it all in his own family.

Then after the big dog contractors pump the "disadvantaged business" beyond the $$$ number the state qualifies them at, they get dropped like a hot potato and go bankrupt, because their utility is now gone.

DBE - Qualifications

oklahoma department of transportation, DBE, Disadvantaged Business Enterprise
www.odot.org
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Blah blah ..... social support programs. Already covered it.

Ask the industry dopes and the answer you get is the biggest cost is property aquisition, cause everyone knows the DOT has deep pockets and will pay rather than risk bad press. Eminent domain is a very last option.

While there is some truth to that, maintaining existing roads and reconstructing when at end-of-design-life doesnt involve new right-of-way. And that should come first before expanding the system. Unfortunately, the monies from new developments are too tempting and politicians prefer to vote in unfunded transpo mandates.
 
clodhopper said:
Let me help you out here. People riding bikes EITHER have no money anyway OR already pay road taxes on one or more cars anyway.
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So. I have to pay taxes on all three of my trucks, and every mile they drive, not to mention insurance. Why shouldnt a bike that is on the road?
 
Steve300xcw said:
So. I have to pay taxes on all three of my trucks, and every mile they drive, not to mention insurance. Why shouldnt a bike that is on the road?
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personal property tax is ridiculous on vehicles.
at least I don't have any of that shit.

just sales tax on every tranfer, which is also bullshit since it's been bought and sold however many times and I'm not a car dealer.
 
87manche said:
personal property tax is ridiculous on vehicles.
at least I don't have any of that shit.

just sales tax on every tranfer, which is also bullshit since it's been bought and sold however many times and I'm not a car dealer.
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meant more of a road tax. your registration, gas tax etc. Would love to see the response of somebody tellin a cop that they dont need to register this rig, because they have 2 others at home that already are.:laughing: Yet the peddle pumpers always hang to that argument
 
Steve300xcw said:
meant more of a road tax. your registration, gas tax etc. Would love to see the response of somebody tellin a cop that they dont need to register this rig, because they have 2 others at home that already are.:laughing: Yet the peddle pumpers always hang to that argument
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well using the fuel tax to fund roads was always destined to fail.

vehicle registration/titling is another conversation entirely.
that whole, we do it so you can recover your property if it's stolen.



bullshit.
You do it so you can charge sales tax on every vehicle sale.
 
clodhopper said:
Let me help you out here. People riding bikes EITHER have no money anyway OR already pay road taxes on one or more cars anyway.


Taxing bicycles is a waste of money. I disagree with the excessive number of bicycle lanes and stuff. But if we tax a bike, then tax your feet too cause you walk across the road occasionally.

Suck roads will not be solved by taxing other lightweight road users. It will be solved by cutting way back on all the bullchit DOTs spend on including plush offices, social support programs and excessive construction oversight/management.
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I have previously supported a bike registration but not anymore. I would like to see bikes targeted by police for tickets. A country wide initiative to target them. They violate more traffic laws than anyone and a ticketing initiative would be very much worth the revenue.
 
Poke said:
I have previously supported a bike registration but not anymore. I would like to see bikes targeted by police for tickets. A country wide initiative to target them. They violate more traffic laws than anyone and a ticketing initiative would be very much worth the revenue.
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While I see and agree, I wish they would generate less money from tickets in general and do more for theft and drugs and of that nature. But tickets are easy money and that’s all they want to do.
 
Poke said:
Hey! I ride
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Maybe yours will be truck kun and you get transported to a fantasy world full of beautiful girls.
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