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EV causes another ship full o cars to burn

All I know for sure is the batteries in metal cans are a lot less burn-y than the flexible bag ones
put out a tiny bit less voltage too, so I think it is chemistry as well as packaging differences
 
roundhouse said:
I got the plot for the next Tom Clancy novel …..
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That’ll be a trick since he’s been Boyd for years.
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I have a flammables cabinet. I wonder if I should make that my charging station?
After moving the other flammables somewhere else of course. :laughing:
 
Sceep said:
Was pretty certain that it was one of his RC crawlers.

But I have had a few drinks since then. :laughing::beer:
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Traxxas slash. The charger was next to his leg, I don't recall exactly, he may not have said actually what charge rate and type he was doing.

Most consumers just slap a pack on the charger at whatever max amp rate they can take and wonder why their shit fails. I treat my lipos like shit, fully charger for months on end but I run them down and charge at 1C rate balanced every single time. No fast charging, no non balancing etc. Only had 1 lipo fire and it was 100% my fault for trying to bump start a low cell.
 
Lol, statistically I should have burnt down my house and both my neighbors by now. Been using lipos for RC for well over a decade and have dozens of them of various ages and condition. There were 2 batts that could/would have burnt my house down. Both of those was while charging and I noticed the batt getting hot shortly after starting the charge.
As I recall it, lance had his batt charging while he was driving the RV. If he would have checked it he would have known something was wrong long before it blew.
And those are lipos. The computer and car batts are lion which are much more stable.
 
Just to help clear up some things, First Dewalt, Bosch, Makita , Miliwaki etc etc brand batteries and chargers cost more due to that they use higher grade of materials in building them with better safe guards . Second Why because they are more easily sued and they have deeper pockets that attorneys love to get big pay outs from . Third It is very hard to sue a Chinese no name brand company that uses low grade materials. This is not to say the name brands do not have issues but they are less likely to have them . Fourth So yeah go ahead and buy that Chinese knock off tool /toy etc to save a few bucks and risk a fire due to garabage parts and materials that do fail.
BTW Samsung had a issue with cell phone batteries catching fire as well and they paid out big time in lawsuits. They fixed the issue pronto.
Harbor Freight anything with a battery is another one I stay away from .
 
Fuzzydog said:
If he would have checked it he would have known something was wrong long before it blew.
And those are lipos. The computer and car batts are lion which are much more stable.
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Why ? it should have been safe to charge them in the first place had they had proper fail safes worked if they had them in the first place.

Lion safe ? yeah right :lmao: the tech is far from perfect and have been way to many cases of them catching fire as well.
 
Will Scarlet said:
Lithium is a metal that once on fire will burn through steal and iron easily. So while this may sound like a good idea, it won't contain the damage it will cause for long.
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An M18 is not burning through a woodstove. I dont even see it burning through a thin metal cabinet (tool box). There is only so much energy in those small batteries
 
I left a Ryobi 18 4Ah on the charger in a bone dry, very dry open wood frame construction house just Tuesday. More shit to worry about now . . .. . :eek:
 
F2504x4 said:
BTW Samsung had a issue with cell phone batteries catching fire as well and they paid out big time in lawsuits. They fixed the issue pronto.
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Apple the same.
One of the few times you could get them to take your shit under warranty "no questions asked"
 
Some stats
How many EV cars have caught fire?
EV fires were significantly lower than the others, with 25 fires per 100,000 vehicles. So of the approximately two million EVs on U.S. roads, less than two out of a 1,000 will catch fire.

Then there is this from EV fires.
is the possibility of an EV catching fire several weeks after a crash.

Another heavy concern is that lithium-Ion EV batteries are difficult to extinguish and may require a lot of water, depending on the situation and the equipment availiable in the accident scene .In some extreme cases EV fires have required 30,000 gallons / 110,000 liters of water to extinguish. The amount of water needed may be different from case to case, but many fire services often count on using at least as much water on an EV fire as on a regular house fire.
 
Now there is this, the Data is missing to really know just how many EV's are catching on fire.

Li-ion batteries and EV fires​


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"Until we can accurately track lithium-ion battery fires, we will be unable to understand the true gravity of the situation," writes Durham. (Photo/FDNY)
If an EV is on fire and the high-voltage battery is not involved, it is a standard vehicle fire that should extinguish with a few hundred gallons of water. However, if the high-voltage (lithium-ion) battery is on fire, things become much more complicated.


A common refrain from the EV industry: “Electric vehicles catch fire far less often than combustion engine vehicles.” Unfortunately, there is little data to support that claim because the fire service is not collecting that data.


Think about all the vehicle fires you have responded to over your career. How many of those vehicles are brand new, right off the lot? How many are 5 years old? Typically, fires in internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles occur in older (15-plus-year-old) vehicles that are poorly maintained. While EVs have been around for several years, their popularity and prevalence have only recently increased. Hence, most EVs on the road are under 5 years old – an age in which we simply don’t often see vehicle fires, at least in ICE vehicles. The fires seen in these newer EVs give the appearance of a big issue that could plague the fire service for years into the future.


Another issue with vehicle fire data is the classification of vehicles. EVs on their own are not a hazard for firefighters; the hazard is the large lithium-ion battery. There are Battery Electric Vehicles (BEV), Hybrid Electric Vehicles (HEV) and Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEV), all of which can have a lithium-ion battery. Oftentimes, vehicle fire data only shows fires related to Battery Electric Vehicles. In order to understand the true scope of the issue, the data needs to combine all vehicles containing lithium-ion batteries in one category.
 
I have the equivalent of around 1,000 milwaukee batteries at home. I've used them as door stops, steps, etc... I should probably rethink my storage. :lmao:
 
Void_of_Light said:
I think Clancy has published more books dead than he did while living.
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Isn’t Clancy the one that wrote the Novel about someone intentionally crashing a large airplane into the capital ?
About 15 years before the Saudi Muslims did it ?
 
kmkommes said:
I have the equivalent of around 1,000 milwaukee batteries at home. I've used them as door stops, steps, etc... I should probably rethink my storage. :lmao:
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Damn man! A thousand? I'm on Makita platform, and have probably 12 batteries. Thought that was pretty good!
 
Fullsize80cherokee said:
I’ve also never heard of m18 batteries burning.. every construction site I’ve been on, every trade is charging them all day surrounded by combustibles
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I'd have to look for the pics, been a few months.
Burned the guy's place to the ground.
 
MuntCuffin said:
Sustainable and environmentally friendly.
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1st comment was. "Mischaracterization. This was a video taken in 2013 of a truck carrying gas cylinders in Russia. No Tesla or EV involved."

Not researching any further but I'd guessing you are wrong.
 
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