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could you get another long side shaft and make the housing wider?
assuming you're just going wider for tire to frame/spring clearance with the 335 tires
 
[486] said:
could you get another long side shaft and make the housing wider?
assuming you're just going wider for tire to frame/spring clearance with the 335 tires
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Not my interest, no.

There are stock parts to do what I want.
 
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My understanding is that F450s came in two chassis configurations.
1: 37" width frame in the rear with Dana 80 or whatever, with a pickup box from the factory
2: 34" width frame in the rear with S110, cab and chassis config

F550s came with S135s in the beginning (up to early 04ish), then S110s or S130s (depending on weight rating) from late 04 to current day.

In my truck, which came with a S110 but the early 8 lug pattern, I swapped 10 lug hubs from a 05+ truck on, then put in a later S130 diff and axle shafts in. The S130 apparently had a slightly thicker housing than the S110, but whatever.


What measurements are desired? Can't give you accurate bare housing width, but I can get you within an inch. Cap to cap width as in from axle shaft to axle shaft?
 
[486] said:
could you get another long side shaft and make the housing wider?
assuming you're just going wider for tire to frame/spring clearance with the 335 tires
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The long side shaft is barely longer than the short side, maybe an inch or two. Juice would not be worth the squeeze to get that much width gain imo.
 
GLTHFJ60 said:
My understanding is that F450s came in two chassis configurations.
1: 37" width frame in the rear with Dana 80 or whatever, with a pickup box from the factory
2: 34" width frame in the rear with S110, cab and chassis config
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There are absolutely f450 34" c&c with the D80 in the 99-04 years.
 
Grendel said:
Thing is, I want the F550 big brakes, which are beautiful. Do you know of an F550 sized rotor in 8 on 170mm? I have yet to buy new wheel bearings and thought to mix and match what I wanted.

Fawk.
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I think they exist for the same year model, but probably is a “dealer only item”/OEM (motorcraft) as I don’t see any aftermarket brands have them on RockAuto. Most likely because a SRW F550 is an unicorn.

Per RockAuto, the 8 lug f550 brake is used on SRW F550, but no wheel bolt pattern listed to confirm on whether it’s 8x170. But it probably is, because 8x170 unit bearings lists to fit 2005-2010 f250/350/450 and the SRW F550.
 
Afaik the 04- 8 lug f550s are 8x225 wheel bolt pattern. Mine is for sure. Oddball.
 
TrailTamer said:
I think they exist for the same year model, but probably is a “dealer only item”/OEM (motorcraft) as I don’t see any aftermarket brands have them on RockAuto. Most likely because a SRW F550 is an unicorn.

Per RockAuto, the 8 lug f550 brake is used on SRW F550, but no wheel bolt pattern listed to confirm on whether it’s 8x170. But it probably is, because 8x170 unit bearings lists to fit 2005-2010 f250/350/450 and the SRW F550.
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Thanks for this, but I want to use the DRW spacers they put on for more width.

The 2005+ variants are 10 lug, both sides.
 
Grendel said:
Thanks for this, but I want to use the DRW spacers they put on for more width.

The 2005+ variants are 10 lug, both sides.
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Why won’t the oem 8x170 to 8x225 dually spacers work?

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Use a 2005+ F250/F350 unit bearing and a 14.53” 2004 F450 rotor. I think they might have changed the rotor size in later years but for a good while after 2005 it was still 14.53”. That will get you back to 8 on 170mm but I am not for sure that the spacer will work with the 2005+ unit bearings.
 
I have a set of used '04 rotors off the front of my F550 if you want me to measure them for offsets or hat dimensions or whatever.
 
I know I’m late on responding to this since I picked up the S110/S130 (unsure of what I have yet, they are the same externally.) I compared it to the S135 under my F550 currently. Here is what I found by looking at both axles, reading up on both axles and searching part #’s.
06h3 said:
I measured the rear axle....I am not sure if it was in this thread or the S110/130 thread but I’ll put it here. so the S135 is 5in tall and 4.25 or 4.5 (can’t remember) wide. The S110/130 is 4.25/4.5 tall and 4.25/4.5 wide.

So basically the S135 has the same width as the S110/130 but the S135 is slightly taller.

S135 has 7mm thick tubes and has some weird “special” HSLA steel. Which really isn’t that special in my opinion. It cracked for me and noted it’s been an issue in the past for others.
S110 has 8mm thick tubes, unsure of steel type.
S130 has 10mm thick tubes, unsure of steel type.

I have seen and been told the S135 and S110 are both rated at 13,500 (some are derated for suspension and other crap)

The S130 on the fords is up to 14,706 lbs, I have read that they have been rated up to 16k in different applications, there’s an S14-130 and a S16-130. I’m not sure if it’s the same axle or slightly different housing or bearings or what?


I looked on rock auto and the wheel bearing part #s are all the same for the S135, S110 and S130. I am curious if the S150 used the same wheel bearings. From a strength standpoint I do not think the wheel bearings are the issue. Even the R&P was downgraded quite a bit from the S135 to the S110 and still have the same 13.5k rating. (14.25 to 12.25) from what it seems it’s all housing related.

I ran 15,500 lbs on my S135 and cracked the housing. It’s a hairline crack and have put over 5k miles on it since with no issue but my gut tells me it’s all housing related when it comes to these axle ratings. I bet I wouldn’t have even cracked mine if I unloaded some weight before hitting Boone road at the hammers. That road coming into the lakebed has some nasty bumps and holes since it’s a dirt road but I’m sure one jarring hit cracked it, it was probably fine on the highway.

So what’s the ideal setup in my eyes? An S150 if the wheel bearings are the same as the S135. You get a MASSIVE 14.25in ring gear. You get the thicker housing with the S150. If the wheel bearings are the same the swap would be easy. I noticed the manufacturer doesn’t even weld most of the brackets. They all wrap around a boxed housing and use clamping force to keep stuff in place. Most brackets are welded for about 1in in one spot. So swapping brackets onto an S150 housing would be easy.

Some say you can’t weld to this bullshit “HSLA” steel without special methods but I found a bulletin from ford stating you can mig weld up to 45 seconds on HSLA housings. I’m not sure if it’s 45 seconds total or at one time. Even at 45 seconds total, you have like 5-6 1in beads to make all in different spots. That probably wouldn’t add up to 45 seconds.

Another thought is if you have an S135 housing and your gonna overload it just gusset the spring perch like a little truss. The cracks happen right at the perch where all the weight is.
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So, anyone know if a S135 center will fit a S130 housing?

I am going to pick up a S130 axle today... it's a 4.10 center. I want 4.88's. I have a S135 here that's 4.88's and of course, has the bigger gear set.

Of course, if I have to, I can just swap hubs and brakes and end up with an 8 lug S130 and a 10 lug S135.... but I really want the stronger S130 housing with the bigger S135 gears to end up with a 10lug abomination. :beer:
 
Grendel said:
So, anyone know if a S135 center will fit a S130 housing?

I am going to pick up a S130 axle today... it's a 4.10 center. I want 4.88's. I have a S135 here that's 4.88's and of course, has the bigger gear set.

Of course, if I have to, I can just swap hubs and brakes and end up with an 8 lug S130 and a 10 lug S135.... but I really want the stronger S130 housing with the bigger S135 gears to end up with a 10lug abomination. :beer:
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I’m fairly confident that they do not but please let’s us know! The S110 and S130 will swap 3rds and parts but don’t think the S135 will
 
06h3 said:
I’m fairly confident that they do not but please let’s us know! The S110 and S130 will swap 3rds and parts but don’t think the S135 will
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Yeah. I don't want the S110 housing.

So if they don't swap, then I guess I put the S130 10 lug hubs and brakes on the S135, as has already been done here.

Anyone need a 4.10 geared S130 third?
 
Does that 4.10 third have a lsd?

The original housing in my truck I thought was a s135 by year, but it's definitely a s110 after talking with yall. Not sure I've seen an example of 10 lug hubs on a s135 housing.
 
GLTHFJ60 said:
Does that 4.10 third have a lsd?

The original housing in my truck I thought was a s135 by year, but it's definitely a s110 after talking with yall. Not sure I've seen an example of 10 lug hubs on a s135 housing.
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Yes, it's a 4.10 S130 with LSD.

S135 is round, Ford variations were only 8 on 225MM.

There are many S135-175's with different lug patterns. IH variants have 10 lugs.

I may go grab a S175 housing to get the thick wall tubes, run my Ford S135 4.88 center with the 10 lug S130 brakes/hubs/outers.

12.5MM wall thickness.

 
Grendel said:
Yes, it's a 4.10 S130 with LSD.

S135 is round, Ford variations were only 8 on 225MM.

There are many S135-175's with different lug patterns. IH variants have 10 lugs.

I may go grab a S175 housing to get the thick wall tubes, run my Ford S135 4.88 center with the 10 lug S130 brakes/hubs/outers.

12.5MM wall thickness.

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I know the difference, just pointing out in case you were using my truck as the reference.

How much for the 4.10 lsd diff? I've got a 4.30 now, but wouldn't mind trying out a 4.10.
 
GLTHFJ60 said:
I know the difference, just pointing out in case you were using my truck as the reference.

How much for the 4.10 lsd diff? I've got a 4.30 now, but wouldn't mind trying out a 4.10.
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I am looking for a 4.88 diff. Shipping via Fastenal wouldn't be bad.
 
u2slow said:
Thank you for the IH tip-off. A std bolt-pattern and more factory ratio choices. :grinpimp:
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YW.

Did you see the PDF I linked? There's a bunch of configs.

Here's a better one:


BTW, my 2000 GMC W4500 which is basically an Isuzu has an S130 in it, with the big assed 6 lug wheel pattern and disks.


Funny, now that I am getting away from the Ford stuff, I can go back 6-8 years when we worked on Rooster's <T> which was an IH U- haul based chassis.

This is his rear S150.... I wish I still had it, to compare, but so far, it looks like all the same bearings, etc.

I think other than the squashed axles (S110 and S130), the S1XX series interchanges a bit. It would make sense.



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We replaced it with an S175 from a IH Class 6, that also looked like all the same, just thicker tubes and bigger axle shafts.

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I have other pics somewhere, where we ended up using the S150 housing, with the S175 pig and shafts, and I don't remember why.
 
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aczlan said:
Is that round thing a parking brake on the shaft behind the yoke?

Aaron Z
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Yep.

It seems to be a standard type of parking brake. I see them on Allisons a lot.
 
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Whelp, I sent my son out for a S130 with 4.88's to match the front I have.


This is what he came back with:

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How about a new axle to add to the matrix: A Dana Spicer M300.
 
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