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CZ 75 TS CZECHMATE PARROT RACE GUN

Stuck said:
Do you mean it has a short stroke? Because there is nothing short about that slide. What I meant was to grab the slide over the top and just work the shit out of it. Not gonna work like that now that youve mounted the optic rail.


Anyway I wasnt calling you anything, if thats how it came across it wasnt my intent. I do have tips, no tricks that will help but Im headed to bed I have to get up early for a training exercise. Yay early morning bullshit.
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No, I mean the rail itself is only 1/2" tall. Compared to my hk pistols, this is short. Not as much to grab, in any hand position. In the reviews of the pistol almost all commented on the short rail height.

I understood what you meant on how to grasp the rail, i just didn't want to do it with a handle in the works. The handle is so much easier to cycle it a bunch.

As far as modifying a new expensive gun, I have no intentions of sending it off. It does look like a lot of cz ts shooters have the rails polished but I'm sure my skill level couldn't tell the difference. Fwiw, I used to say my usp(s) were my favorite pistols. I shoot better with them than anything else I own or have tried out. This cz is far better than anything I've ever shot. :laughing:
 
rockmup said:
Dry fire, draw from your holster and kill all your light switches, then do it again.
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Holster is in the mail. I think the draw and getting the red dot in front of my eye will take some practice. I goofed a little tonight without the holster bringing the gun up from my hip and 1 out of 5 times I couldn't land on the dot.
 
xr-nut said:
No, I mean the rail itself is only 1/2" tall. Compared to my hk pistols, this is short. Not as much to grab, in any hand position. In the reviews of the pistol almost all commented on the short rail height.

I understood what you meant on how to grasp the rail, i just didn't want to do it with a handle in the works. The handle is so much easier to cycle it a bunch.

As far as modifying a new expensive gun, I have no intentions of sending it off. It does look like a lot of cz ts shooters have the rails polished but I'm sure my skill level couldn't tell the difference. Fwiw, I used to say my usp(s) were my favorite pistols. I shoot better with them than anything else I own or have tried out. This cz is far better than anything I've ever shot. :laughing:
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I thought you meant length. The height didnt see noticibly "low" in the pics.
 
Stuck said:
I thought you meant length. The height didnt see noticibly "low" in the pics.
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Dumbass he said so. Again the slide rides inside the frame rails so there's less slude to grab. Good job on talking shit about something you have no expertise in.

Dude posted up a legit question about a gun most of us will never own, but would like to, and you talk shit.

Bravo dumbass!
 
Roc Doc said:
Dumbass he said so. Again the slide rides inside the frame rails so there's less slude to grab. Good job on talking shit about something you have no expertise in.

Dude posted up a legit question about a gun most of us will never own, but would like to, and you talk shit.

Bravo dumbass!
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Hey ****! I am very familiar with the CZ75 family including the parrot. I currently have 14 different variants of the 75 from CZ, Tanfoglio, EEA, Springfield and IMI, including a a shadow and a ts czechmate, mines not a parrot with the pretty colors (the parrot is a czechmate it just has fancy colors and web trigger). Oh god mines just black it doesnt have all the fancy colors and its only set up for limited class. It must be a totally different gun. Fucktard.

Ive been running different versions of the 75 as a competition gun for over 20 fucking years. The slides no harder to grab than any other gun, in fact the quality that the TS CMs are built at it slides smooth as butter and is easier to work than most. You can easily work the action the way I described without being a sadist thats why I told him how.

You may never own a gun of that caliber it doesnt meant the rest of us dont or havent. I didnt respond just for the hell of it. You dont see me commenting on glock talk or 1911s because while I have a couple of each Im not a fanboi like I am of the 75. So why dont you shove that up your sandy gash and excuse the fuck out of me for not jumping up and down screaming I have one of those! I have one of those like 10yo girl screaming for attention!
 
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xr-nut said:
Holster is in the mail. I think the draw and getting the red dot in front of my eye will take some practice. I goofed a little tonight without the holster bringing the gun up from my hip and 1 out of 5 times I couldn't land on the dot.
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Make sure your dry firing when you draw. I know you're not a new shooter but make sure your draw, grip and trigger press is on point. Slow is fast.
As for the rails, put some lapping compound on the rails and by the time you shoot your first match, the rails will be polished.
 
Stuck said:
Hey ****! I am very familiar with the CZ75 family including the parrot. I currently have 14 different variants of the 75 from CZ, Tanfoglio, EEA, Springfield and IMI, including a a shadow and a ts czechmate, mines not a parrot with the pretty colors (the parrot is a czechmate it just has fancy colors and web trigger). Oh god mines just black it doesnt have all the fancy colors and its only set up for limited class. It must be a totally different gun. Fucktard.

Ive been running different versions of the 75 as a competition gun for over 20 fucking years. The slides no harder to grab than any other gun, in fact the quality that the TS CMs are built at it slides smooth as butter and is easier to work than most. You can easily work the action the way I described without being a sadist thats why I told him how.

You may never own a gun of that caliber it doesnt meant the rest of us dont or havent. I didnt respond just for the hell of it. You dont see me commenting on glock talk or 1911s because while I have a couple of each Im not a fanboi like I am of the 75. So why dont you shove that up your sandy gash and excuse the fuck out of me for not jumping up and down screaming I have one of those! I have one of those like 10yo girl screaming for attention!
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It’s odd that someone with as much cz experience as you have wasn’t immediately familiar with the short slide complaint. That’s one of the most common things people mention on those guns.

To the OP, why are you jumping straight into open class with your frame mounted optic and muzzle brake? It will be hard to be competitive in that class as a new competitor.
 
pdangerp said:
It’s odd that someone with as much cz experience as you have wasn’t immediately familiar with the short slide complaint. That’s one of the most common things people mention on those guns.

To the OP, why are you jumping straight into open class with your frame mounted optic and muzzle brake? It will be hard to be competitive in that class as a new competitor.
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Good question. I suppose the answer is I go all in. If you asked my wife the same question that's what she'd say. :laughing: I have no misconception I'll be competitive right out of the gate but why not shoot for the top. (Pun intended)

I wanted a "race" gun. I didn't want to piece one together. This gun filled that want. I can always put the site back on the rear and go back to iron sight classes.

Part of the reason was to thin my "herd". I have too many in the safe that mean nothing to me and are not being used. So I sold a bunch and put that into one pretty nice gun. That way when I die, the $ are still in the safe for my kids. Just in fewer guns. :laughing:

I did that earlier this year with some long guns. Sold off 4 and bought myself a Citori 725 HR. That was by far the nicest gun I've ever held (up to that point:laughing:). I didn't want to take it out of the box and put it together. Shot a miserable 64 with it yesterday :lmao:.
 
pdangerp said:
It’s odd that someone with as much cz experience as you have wasn’t immediately familiar with the short slide complaint. That’s one of the most common things people mention on those guns.

To the OP, why are you jumping straight into open class with your frame mounted optic and muzzle brake? It will be hard to be competitive in that class as a new competitor.
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This is the only forum Im on anymore and I didnt know people complained about it. Ive been shooting 75s and various clones since the late 80s, its what Im used to. Now that its been mentioned I guess I could see somenne coming from the 1911 or glock world not liking it but Ive never had a problem with it. Its just the way the gun is. When someone says "short" I think length not how tall the slide is.
 
In other news, do any of you know....for the shoot steel comps, can I use any holster? For instance a regular kydex(?) type holster vs a trigger guard + post holster?

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Moral: Now we ALL know to avoid cheap Herters AND Grind Hard ammo when using an expensive gun.

I bet my 9mm PCC will eat it just fine, though. Send any of your cheap 9mm remaining to me for actual testing. :flipoff2:
 
xr-nut said:
In other news, do any of you know....for the shoot steel comps, can I use any holster? For instance a regular kydex(?) type holster vs a trigger guard + post holster?
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Here is the Steel Challenge rules from USPSA. Apendex D1, line 20 says there are no holster restrictions for open division. So use whatever you want.

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Tip for whatever competition you plan to shoot:

Find the actual rulebook, read every word cover to cover, and do it again. Repeat until you can explain every element of the rules to a noob. Actually competing is great, but showing up and getting DQ'ed or being handicapped from the start is not great.

I agree with others, practice your draw/presentation/sight picture/first shot sequence slowly and smoothly until it's second nature. Until it's consistent with your eyes closed. It's easy and free to do at home.

I also like the comment about dry fire killing light switches. Good practice for target transitions/turreting.
 
I never really got the complaints about the slide being short on the cz pistols. It's a result of the rails being cut reverse of most other pistols. This results in a low bore axis which everyone likes to rave about.
Want a giant slide to grab, get a hipoint.
 
Yotota has a good point. Lots of matches are decided by the rule book.

As far as shooting dry firing is a good exercise. Try cycling the slide then put an ampty case on the barrel. Learn to squeeze the trigger without dropping the case. Also learn what a proper grip is. You should be squeezing the gun in your trigger hand fingers and between the heels of both palms. Support hand thumb should be riding the reciever just below the slide with the fingers cupping the other hand. Most shooting issues can be corrected by fixing your grip.

Squats. Sounds dumb but strong legs make a solid base. Whats your stance like? Should be legs apart, one foot slightly in front of the other, knees bent. Weight slightly forward, shoulders forward, elbows bent not locked. Learn to turn at the waist dont move just your arms back and forth.

Learn to shoot while your gun is moving. Both turning at the hip at a stand still and while your walking. As your sights start to cross the target you should be pulling the trigger. Notice I said pull not squeeze the trigger. This isnt PRS at 100 yds this is all about speed. Learn to pull the trigger fast while staying on target.

Start by setting five or so targets (start with paper) a foot or two apart at a distance youre comfortable with and shooting left to right then vise versa while standing still turning at the waist. Then seperate the targets a bit at about 10 yds away and start walking across them. Two rounds per target, dont stop keep walking then turn and go back the other way. Then take one target at about 25ish yards out start walking in while firing again dont stop moving.

This is just some stuff we use to train new guys with. Its easier to show than put in words but it will give you a decent base.

The biggest bit of advice is try different things and find what works for you. Guys that started from a strictly competition background may disagree and have their own techniques. My background came from a tactical environment but it works for me. Again find what works for you. Ive worked with instructors that are fucking nazis about having the absolute textbook perfect form and it just makes a not so good shooter worse.
 
Stuck said:
Yotota has a good point. Lots of matches are decided by the rule book.

As far as shooting dry firing is a good exercise. Try cycling the slide then put an ampty case on the barrel. Learn to squeeze the trigger without dropping the case. Also learn what a proper grip is. You should be squeezing the gun in your trigger hand fingers and between the heels of both palms. Support hand thumb should be riding the reciever just below the slide with the fingers cupping the other hand. Most shooting issues can be corrected by fixing your grip.

Squats. Sounds dumb but strong legs make a solid base. Whats your stance like? Should be legs apart, one foot slightly in front of the other, knees bent. Weight slightly forward, shoulders forward, elbows bent not locked. Learn to turn at the waist dont move just your arms back and forth.

Learn to shoot while your gun is moving. Both turning at the hip at a stand still and while your walking. As your sights start to cross the target you should be pulling the trigger. Notice I said pull not squeeze the trigger. This isnt PRS at 100 yds this is all about speed. Learn to pull the trigger fast while staying on target.

Start by setting five or so targets (start with paper) a foot or two apart at a distance youre comfortable with and shooting left to right then vise versa while standing still turning at the waist. Then seperate the targets a bit at about 10 yds away and start walking across them. Two rounds per target, dont stop keep walking then turn and go back the other way. Then take one target at about 25ish yards out start walking in while firing again dont stop moving.

This is just some stuff we use to train new guys with. Its easier to show than put in words but it will give you a decent base.

The biggest bit of advice is try different things and find what works for you. Guys that started from a strictly competition background may disagree and have their own techniques. My background came from a tactical environment but it works for me. Again find what works for you. Ive worked with instructors that are fucking nazis about having the absolute textbook perfect form and it just makes a not so good shooter worse.
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I have snap caps and will use them. I've been practicing bringing the gun up and trying to get the dot right. It's harder than I thought it would be. Once the I get the dot in the picture I'm good.(I mean I'm OK to keep it there) just the transition up.

I think my stance is good, I'm not in the best shape of my life but I'm still strong. (I'm only 48). Feet apart, left in front, I have the pivot from the waist in decent form. I use that shooting clays too.

I think I have my grip good.?. This gun has the left thumb brake pedal, that's taking some getting used to. I need to work on muscle memory getting my grip right and the gun up in front of my eyes and the dot present. I think for now that's what I need to work on most.

I have quite a few steel targets from shootsteel.com and magnum targets. I love shooting the round plates, 5 of them, on a 16' 2x4. I'll post pics next time I get them out. I have a duelling tree with 4" targets, a chest plate 12x24 and a Texas star. We used to shoot rimfire for time in the back yard as a family, that's what got me interested in taking it up a notch.

Good mention on the empty on the slide and not dropping it. I'm sitting here watching street outlaws, I'll grab an empty and get to practicing!

Thanks for the tips. I will take them to heart.:beer:
 
xr-nut said:
I have snap caps and will use them. I've been practicing bringing the gun up and trying to get the dot right. It's harder than I thought it would be. Once the I get the dot in the picture I'm good.(I mean I'm OK to keep it there) just the transition up.

I think my stance is good, I'm not in the best shape of my life but I'm still strong. (I'm only 48). Feet apart, left in front, I have the pivot from the waist in decent form. I use that shooting clays too.

I think I have my grip good.?. This gun has the left thumb brake pedal, that's taking some getting used to. I need to work on muscle memory getting my grip right and the gun up in front of my eyes and the dot present. I think for now that's what I need to work on most.

I have quite a few steel targets from shootsteel.com and magnum targets. I love shooting the round plates, 5 of them, on a 16' 2x4. I'll post pics next time I get them out. I have a duelling tree with 4" targets, a chest plate 12x24 and a Texas star. We used to shoot rimfire for time in the back yard as a family, that's what got me interested in taking it up a notch.

Good mention on the empty on the slide and not dropping it. I'm sitting here watching street outlaws, I'll grab an empty and get to practicing!

Thanks for the tips. I will take them to heart.:beer:
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Dont be set on which foot is forward. It will switch depending on whether your shooting for a right or left side barricade and depending on which direction youre moving after that string. You need to be able to shoot from any position. There are a lot of different pistol comps out there. Personally my favorites have always been club matches where the host designs the course. You never know what kind of crazy shit your gonna shoot.

Another good drill is to have someone else load your mags for you with random round counts and throwing snap caps into the mix. It will help with your reloads and your recovery from an FTF, FTE, or a jam, remember tap rack pull. In other words if it doesnt go bang. Tap the mag, (make sure its seated) rack the slide to clear the round, pull the trigger. If it doesnt go bang again, drop the mag, reload, tap, rack, pull the trigger again.

As for reloads, always have your mags indexed in your belt so when grab one andpull it out your pointer finger is riding the front of the mag so you can guide it i to the magwell. Also reloads should be done in your line of sight. As your gun runs dry (you knew it was coming because your counting rounds right?) you should be dropping your support hand to your mag pouch, as you drop the empty mag. As the mag drops your hand with the new mag should coming up with the front along your index finger to slide it home seating it with heel of your hand which should drop the slide if not hit the release with your thumb or reach up grab the slide and pull it back.
 
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Stuck said:
As far as shooting dry firing is a good exercise. Try cycling the slide then put an ampty case on the barrel. Learn to squeeze the trigger without dropping the case. Also learn what a proper grip is. You should be squeezing the gun in your trigger hand fingers and between the heels of both palms. Support hand thumb should be riding the reciever just below the slide with the fingers cupping the other hand. Most shooting issues can be corrected by fixing your grip.
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With the trigger on this gun, the empty on the slide is an easy task. It doesn't move. At all. Pic of grip below.

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The dot is coming up to my left. Like I'm pointing the gun to the left. Consistently. I'm having to pull the aim to the right to get the dot back in the sight. I need to work on this.
 
xr-nut said:
Shoot with both eyes open?
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Yes. Always. Especially with a red dot. If you are co-eye dominant (or one eye isn’t a lot stronger than the other) a trick I use to use was to put a piece of scotch tape on my safety glasses over my left eye. This allows you brain to cancel out that eye but you still have both open so you don’t loose depth perception.

Also on drawing the gun pull it from the holster and and bring it straight up close to your chest. Then push it straight out with both hands. This will allow you to find the sights/dot during the draw. Don’t swing it up like a pendulum.
 
665.0coupe said:
Yes. Always. Especially with a red dot. If you are co-eye dominant (or one eye isn’t a lot stronger than the other) a trick I use to use was to put a piece of scotch tape on my safety glasses over my left eye. This allows you brain to cancel out that eye but you still have both open so you don’t loose depth perception.

Also on drawing the gun pull it from the holster and and bring it straight up close to your chest. Then push it straight out with both hands. This will allow you to find the sights/dot during the draw. Don’t swing it up like a pendulum.
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Took a class last fall and the draw was a big part of it. How quickly I forgot about that:laughing:
 
xr-nut said:
Took a class last fall and the draw was a big part of it. How quickly I forgot about that:laughing:
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On your grip, I don’t like to have my left finger on the front of the trigger guard. It’s probably just personal preference. My left wrist is bent down more. Push forward with your right hand and pull back at the same time with your left. This will help control recoil.

Also, if you aren’t already learn to hold the trigger back when it breaks so you are still holding it back when the recoil pulse is over. Then ride it forward and feel the reset.
 
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