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[Tiha]

'Full-On, Openly Satanic': Sam Smith 'Unholy' Grammy Performance With Devils, Horns Called 'Diabolical'


Pretty sic this is where we are as a Nation.


CBS Deletes 'Ready to Worship' Tweet After Blowback

CBS scared to own the devil worship

It is, there was a podcast that John cooper, lead singer of skillet did a while back and it was interesting because he is a self proclaimed history buff. He said, it feels like we are at the end of the world. When in reality America has been here before more than once. Where as people were saying this is it. The end times, people are turning to satan, we will never recover from this.

He said rather than living in fear and looking at it as the end, think of it more like a tipping point and maybe it will tip back and maybe it won't, but our hope is that it will.
But in America's history, we have been here before. This is nothing we haven't seen and lived through already.
Or at least we haven't seen anything new yet.
Today's social media makes it easier to hear about the worst of the worst and it will be harder to forget and put it behind us.

 

[Animalmother]

It is, there was a podcast that John cooper, lead singer of skillet did a while back and it was interesting because he is a self proclaimed history buff. He said, it feels like we are at the end of the world. When in reality America has been here before more than once. Where as people were saying this is it. The end times, people are turning to satan, we will never recover from this.

He said rather than living in fear and looking at it as the end, think of it more like a tipping point and maybe it will tip back and maybe it won't, but our hope is that it will.
But in America's history, we have been here before. This is nothing we haven't seen and lived through already.
Or at least we haven't seen anything new yet.
Today's social media makes it easier to hear about the worst of the worst and it will be harder to forget and put it behind us.

Do you mean we have been here before as a species? Im not aware the United States has, this seems like new territory for us.

Michael Knowels was talkng about how in the 50s CBS wouldnt even say the word pregnant and now they announce they are ready to worship.

Pretty fast decline.

 

[Tiha]

Do you mean we have been here before as a species? Im not aware the United States has, this seems like new territory for us.

Michael Knowels was talkng about how in the 50s CBS wouldnt even say the word pregnant and now they announce they are ready to worship.

Pretty fast decline.

I should have paid better attention. LOL

But thinking about it after. What about the salem witches?
There was certainly a situation where everyone was scared, thought the world was ending.
And comparatively nobody outside the local area knew what was happening.
If they did, would they condemn it or jump on board and agree to a witch hunt?

Doesn't matter so much what the sin is, but America has reached deep levels of depravity before.

 

[Animalmother]

I should have paid better attention. LOL

But thinking about it after. What about the salem witches?
There was certainly a situation where everyone was scared, thought the world was ending.
And comparatively nobody outside the local area knew what was happening.
If they did, would they condemn it or jump on board and agree to a witch hunt?

Doesn't matter so much what the sin is, but America has reached deep levels of depravity before.

Id say the big difference being wokeness and transgenderism is at the center of our culture now, is satanic, and is being celebrated and demanded by us to be celebrated. Enforced by government and corporations teamed up with government to ensure we worship.

 

[Tiha]

Well, I found that explanation very interesting and informative, but it raised an obvious question in my mind. Why is there never any talk of a woman having more than one husband?

Is this a serious question?

When this was all written the Jews were in charge, Jewish laws had to be followed or it would have all been discounted and thrown out as heresy. Which for the Jews it pretty much was anyway.
But women had no rights, barely had a voice. They were property and insignificant. (that may be an extreme but you get the idea)
In their eyes it would be impossible for a woman to do this. So no need to address it.

Jesus had crowds of people following him, there were quite a few women that were close to him. Never mentioned in the bible because at that time they were not of any importance.

However the same laws apply to them then as they do now.

 

[Tiha]

Id say the big difference being wokeness and transgenderism is at the center of our culture now, is satanic, and is being celebrated and demanded by us to be celebrated. Enforced by government and corporations teamed up with government to ensure we worship.

That is all true. In our perspective it has never been like this. Looking at it through our eyes and our scale of morality.

But from God's perspective, Sin is Sin. Doesn't matter what the sin is. One sin equals death.
On that scale this is nothing new.

 

[MChat]

Well, I found that explanation very interesting and informative, but it raised an obvious question in my mind. Why is there never any talk of a woman having more than one husband?

While there is Old Testament Biblical text to support polygamy (polygyny to be precise), no such text exists to support polyandry in fact a study of the text would indicate that God views a male-female-male relationship the same as a male-male relationship, even if the two males don't "touch" each other, or simply "take turn" ("tonight is my night, tomorrow is your night").

However, there are specific "rules" for polygyny as I mentioned previously. In fact, in certain circumstances polygyny was required:

"When brothers live together, and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the deceased shall not be married outside the family to a strange man. Her husband’s brother shall have relations with her and take her to himself as his wife, and perform the duty of a husband’s brother to her. It shall then be that the firstborn to whom she gives birth shall assume the name of his father’s deceased brother, so that his name will not be wiped out from Israel." - Deuteronomy 25:5-6

There is no exception given here for a pre-existing marriage to another woman. It is simply assumed that he will take his brother's wife no matter how many wives he already has. The traditional role for men was to take care of their wives, to provide for them and to protect them. The left calls that "toxic masculinity" today, but that is the role for which men were designed. A man that can provide for and protect multiple women is a stronger man. A woman that needs more than one man to take care of her is simply selfish.

Additionally, family lines were traced through the father. If a woman sleeps with multiple men, who is the father? If a man sleeps with multiple women, there is still no question as to who the father is. Lineage was much more important then, than it is now, hence the brother providing an heir to his deceased brother in Deuteronomy 25.

Finally, it was men who went off to battle, it was men who took on the dangerous tasks. A single man can impregnate n number of women and literally have hundreds of children all born in the same year. But (with the obvious exception of twins, triplets, etc.) a woman could have only one child "per year".

So, there was both Biblical law reasons and simple logistical reasons why it was "ok" for a man to have more than one wife, but "not ok" for a woman to have more than one husband.

 

[dntsdad]

Mchat

I have been reading and doing what is called SHAPE in my arena anyways.

Scripture - Choose a line, chapter and verse, that hits you and you connect with
Hear - Hear what you think it's calling to you is
Apply - How can you apply this message or meaning into your like
Pray - Pray for whatever you need to make that happen
Exalt - Give thanks for whatever it is that day.

Each day you read 2-4 chapters. So for example, I may choose Job 5:13 or whatever. All in all, it gets me into the book, thinking about God and how I want to change my life from what it is, and I can finish each daily reading/writing in 15-20 minutes. I like it

I have never read the Bible in a book form like I am now. I have finished Genesis, Job, and I am into Leviticus.

I really enjoyed the first two but now in Leviticus.....I have to admit, I am getting turned off big time. It's just insane crazy stuff. Pretty much nothing I would agree with or think of as good, pure, or Holy.

How do I square that with a loving God because He aint coming across as loving at all!!

 

[Captain Call]

Read deuteronomy

 

[MChat]

Numbers, Leviticus and Deuteronomy are tough reads. To be honest, I recommend that those new to reading the Bible skip over them the first time through. Not because of the content, but because of the boredom (Numbers and Leviticus in particular). I've also found that they seem to repeat the same info over and over again. This was, of course, on purpose. In the Semitic languages, the way you emphasize something is to repeat it (hence, "verily, verily I say unto you" and "holy, holy, holy").

Don't get me wrong, there are good reasons to study these books, however they are a dry read.

As for the content, remember that these books are "the Law." These were the laws by which the Nation of Israel was supposed to be governed. And while some of the punishments seem harsh by today's standards, much of the principles found in these books form the basis of our own legal system, or at least they used to.

 

[aczlan]

To continue with what MChat said,
Remember that the reason the Israelites ended up with the ten commandments and all the other laws and stuff that are listed in Leviticus are because after they saw:

• The Red Sea get parted and were able to walk across on dry ground while the Egyptians got drowned
• A cloud lead them across the desert
• Manna show up every morning for breakfast that was good for that day only (except on Friday morning when it would be good until Saturday at the end of Shabbat)

After seeing all that, they decided it was time to return to idol worship because Moses went into the mountain and stayed there a longer than they thought he should have.
Those laws also became their civil laws as they were coming from in many cases having lived in Egypt their entire lives and they were moving to a different legal system, so many of the sections pertain to that.

Over the years, between the various laws in Leviticus, other books in the Old Testament and the interpretations by the scholars, you get things like:

• A limit on how many steps you can walk on the Sabbath (Shabbat)
• It being ok to leave your oven on from the beginning of Shabbat at sundown on Friday to the end of Shabbat at Sundown on Saturday and stick your meal in there to cook, but not to turn it on to baketthe same meal
• It being ok to step into and out of an elevator on Shabbat, but not to push a button to select your floor

Those laws were referred to as the "schoolmaster law" to guide a group of people who (it seems) wanted to be told exactly what they could and couldn't do, line by line.

Galatians 3:19-25 talks a little about the laws and their intent:

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

When you get to the New Testament those laws are replaced with 2 laws:
1. Love God with all your heart, might, mind and strength
2. Love your neighbor as yourself

So you go from having every step laid out to a general outline and needing to be a good person versus following an exhaustive list of rules.

Aaron Z

 

[Tiha]

When you get to the New Testament those laws are replaced with 2 laws:
1. Love God with all your heart, might, mind and strength
2. Love your neighbor as yourself

And to tie it all together.

If you are following these two commands that Jesus gave, then you will inadvertently also be following the 10 commandments and more.
So the 10 commandments were not done away with. They were just simplified.

 

[Animalmother]

 

[CDA 455 II]

 

[rockota]

seems apropos for this thread...

Bible college fires teacher for tweet against homosexuality, considered reporting him for terrorism | Blaze Media

A Bible college in the United Kingdom fired one of its teachers recently, claiming he damaged the school's reputation by speaking out against homosexuality on Twitter, according to Fox News.The college also considered reporting the theologian for terrorism charges, after his words reportedly...

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A Bible college in the United Kingdom fired one of its teachers recently, claiming he damaged the school's reputation by speaking out against homosexuality on Twitter, according to Fox News.

The college also considered reporting the theologian for terrorism charges, after his words reportedly caused "distress" among members of the church.




Dr. Aaron Edwards was teaching at Cliff College in Derbyshire, England, but was fired for "bringing the college into disrepute" by tweeting against homosexuality. According to Edwards' legal counsel, a senior staff member said his words "could be extremely damaging" and "impact the college’s core work" and "business plan."

"Homosexuality is invading the Church," Edwards said on Twitter.

"Evangelicals no longer see the severity of this b/c they're busy apologising for their apparently barbaric homophobia, whether or not it's true. This is a "Gospel issue", by the way. If sin is no longer sin, we no longer need a Saviour," he added.

More at link

 

[MChat]

seems apropos for this thread...

Bible college fires teacher for tweet against homosexuality, considered reporting him for terrorism | Blaze Media

A Bible college in the United Kingdom fired one of its teachers recently, claiming he damaged the school's reputation by speaking out against homosexuality on Twitter, according to Fox News.The college also considered reporting the theologian for terrorism charges, after his words reportedly...

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The church age of Laodicea is fully upon us.

Revelation 3:14-22
To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Origin of the creation of God, says this:

"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, 'I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have no need of anything,' and you do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked, I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to apply to your eyes so that you may see. Those whom I love, I rebuke and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne. The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

Where is Jesus in relation to this church? Standing at the door and knocking, He's not inside already. The last church age is one that see the majority of churches becoming "woke", preaching a new gospel, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ Crucified and Resurrected.

Laodicea was named by Antiochus II after his wife Laodice, previously it was known as Rhoas and prior to that Diospolis ("City of God", likely Zues/Jupiter). The name Laodicea comes from the Greek Laity and Dicea; Laity means "The People" and Dicea is the same Greek word from which we derive "Democracy". Laodicea is the church where "The People Rule"; that seems to be the theme of the vast majority of modern churches, departing from Biblical Doctrines in order to adopt man's doctrines of "wokeness".

Laodicea was located near another city named Hierapolis which was known for its hot springs. Laodicea was richer, but had no hot springs, so they constructed an aqueduct to bring the hot water from the nearest hot spring which was about 5 miles away. But by the time the water reached the city it had cooled off and so Laodicea became known for its "lukewarm" water.

Laodicea was a very wealthy city. It contained one of the region's largest banks. It was known for the fine goods it produced and sold (refined gold, rare black wool, medical school and medical products -- in particular an eye salve). It was the "entertainment capitol" of the region boasting a 20,000 seat stadium, a circus, theatrical performances, a gymnasium and a public bath. For the wealthy people of the era, Laodicea was one of their "must see" places.

Laodicea was built on a plane at the intersection of several major roads; it was militarily indefensible. At a time when fortresses were laid siege to and conquered, Laodicea survived the conquering armies by becoming friendly toward whatever nation controlled the territory around them. They would instantly surrender to whatever conquering empire was upon them.

Whatever ideology, culture or religion was strongest in the region, the Laodiceans adopted it; just like their water they were lukewarm. In 190BC, Laodicea fell under the rule of Pergamos. Which means "mixed marriage", in the terms of prophecy, this "mixed marriage" is the mixture of Christianity with "the World".

When we look at the Christian Churches around the world, particularly those with a Western influence, it is easy to see the parallels between the ancient church of Laodicea and these modern churches. Laodicea was, in essence the perfect church to represent the final church age.

 

[Tiha]

When we look at the Christian Churches around the world,

Have you seen the latest left behind movie, rise of the anti christ?

Left Behind: Rise of the Antichrist (2023) - IMDb

Granted every movie takes some liberties to make it more entertaining, but wondered if you see any glaring contradictions there?

We just watched it, as I am not as well versed in the end times, wanted someone else's thoughts.

Thought it was a decent movie to watch. Didn't see anything I thought was sacrilege. I haven't googled or researched any of it yet, but thought it was a believable scenario.

The first movie with Nick cage that came out in 2014. (not the kirk cameron movies of the early 2000s)
I thought it was okay but that movie relies on pre tripping.

 

[MChat]

Have you seen the latest left behind movie, rise of the anti christ?

Left Behind: Rise of the Antichrist (2023) - IMDb

I haven't seen it yet, but being a Left Behind movie, the most glaring contradiction is that it is based on a Pretribulation Rapture view.

2nd Thessalonians 2:1-4
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

"that day shall not come"

Which day?

"the day of Christ"

What is the day of Christ?

"the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him" (Note that 2nd Coming and the Rapture are the same day: the Day of Christ)

Ok, "that day shall not come" until when?

"there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition"

Ok, I definitely see a "falling away" as many "churches" have gone woke and are preaching a different gospel (Galatians 1:8), but the "man of sin", the Antichrist we haven't seen yet. How exactly will the Antichrist be revealled?

He reveals himself when he "opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God"

Oh, so we will know who the Antichrist is when he claims to be God in the newly rebuilt (3rd) Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. Got it.

And the Rapture ("our gathering together unto him") won't happen until we see the Antichrist claim to be God, which is midway through the Great Tribulation period, so the Pretrib view must be incorrect based on this passage. Making any of the Left Behind books or movies incorrect from the very beginning.

 

[Tiha]

the most glaring contradiction is that it is based on a Pretribulation Rapture view.

Yes, as much as I wish it were true, Pretrib is not really what the bible points to.

Beyond that, I do think they pointed out a great timeline of the 7 years, 3.5 years, anti christ, temple resurrection. Possible ways that the one world order will come. Single currency. It was a believable story especially after going through the covid pandemic.

The actors changed between these two movies but the character names stayed the same so it was pretty easy to follow.

These Movies are based on the book series. Taken with a grain of salt I still think they can be informative.

My wife is currently obessed with revelation after seeing the movie so we are digging into more.

Now she is reading about the 1000 year reign. Excited about it actually, but I don't think her and I will be around for it.

 

[MChat]

Now she is reading about the 1000 year reign. Excited about it actually, but I don't think her and I will be around for it.

Revelation 20:1-5
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Those that are part of the 1st resurrection will "reigned with Christ a thousand years".

So then who is part of the 1st resurrection?

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Everyone who dies before the Rapture ("the dead in Christ") will be resurrected as part of the 1st Resurrection. As Christians, whether you live to see the Rapture, or are raised during the 1st Resurrection, you will "reigned with Christ a thousand years", so yes, you will be "around for it".

 

[Xenonburnout]

I haven't seen it yet, but being a Left Behind movie, the most glaring contradiction is that it is based on a Pretribulation Rapture view.



"that day shall not come"

Which day?

"the day of Christ"

What is the day of Christ?

"the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him" (Note that 2nd Coming and the Rapture are the same day: the Day of Christ)

Ok, "that day shall not come" until when?

"there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition"

Ok, I definitely see a "falling away" as many "churches" have gone woke and are preaching a different gospel (Galatians 1:8), but the "man of sin", the Antichrist we haven't seen yet. How exactly will the Antichrist be revealled?

He reveals himself when he "opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God"

Oh, so we will know who the Antichrist is when he claims to be God in the newly rebuilt (3rd) Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. Got it.

And the Rapture ("our gathering together unto him") won't happen until we see the Antichrist claim to be God, which is midway through the Great Tribulation period, so the Pretrib view must be incorrect based on this passage. Making any of the Left Behind books or movies incorrect from the very beginning.

My first post and response is the following verses to your post:

5 ¶ Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?

6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.

7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do sountil He is taken out of the way.

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. My question brother is this: who is the restrainer that is restraining and must be taken out of the way? Thanks for pointing me here and I hope to have good brotherly discussions going forward. Let not our differences cause division but only growth in understanding the mystery which Paul spoke of. Charis and Shalom

 

[Xenonburnout]

The pretribulation eschatology points out that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit in dwelt in all the believers at this time. If He must be removed, then the believers at this time must be removed as well since being born again is the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit in every born again believer. Again, as we briefly discussed in our other forum via pm, a part of me thinks you might be right but my blessed hope is that you’re wrong for all of our sakes. I ask myself, why would God put his faithful through His wrath? And it is Jesus that is opening the seals so it is the beginning of judgement (the scroll). I understand it is not the worst part of judgement but it is the beginning to it.
Charis and Shalom

 

[MChat]

Welcome!

The pretribulation eschatology points out that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit in dwelt in all the believers at this time. If He must be removed, then the believers at this time must be removed as well since being born again is the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit in every born again believer. Again, as we briefly discussed in our other forum via pm, a part of me thinks you might be right but my blessed hope is that you’re wrong for all of our sakes. I ask myself, why would God put his faithful through His wrath? And it is Jesus that is opening the seals so it is the beginning of judgement (the scroll). I understand it is not the worst part of judgement but it is the beginning to it.
Charis and Shalom

The assumption of the PreTrib position, is that "the restrainer" is the Holy Spirit. The issue with this, is that nowhere in scripture do we find the Holy Spirit being mentioned as "the Restrainer". I've looked, and looked, (please show me if I missed it) but the only "restrainer" that is contending with Satan that I can find in Scripture is Michael the Archangel.

Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels

Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee

Here we have two verses that indicate that it is Michael who contends with (restrains) Satan.

And finally, we have a verse that indicate what happens when he will "stop" restraining (the Hebrew word here for "Stand Up" is "amad" and can mean to "stand still" or "stop").

Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

It is interesting that in Daniel 12 when Michael "stops" then comes the Great Tribulation, just like in 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-7.


Based on these passages, I don't think that "the Restrainer" is the Holy Spirit, but rather it is Michael the Archangel.

 

[MChat]

my blessed hope is that you’re wrong for all of our sakes.

Me too.

I ask myself, why would God put his faithful through His wrath?

God has proven over and over again, that He does not need to remove us from this earth in order for His Wrath to be poured out upon it, while also keeping us safe.

Noah on the Arc during the flood.
Israelites in Egypt during the 10 plagues.
Lot prior to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

In Lot's case He did "remove" Lot from the city before it was destroyed, however it was Lot's choice (he could have decided not to listen to the 2 angels and remained). There is an additional lesson here, because just like Lot, I think future believers will be given a choice: leave the city or remain and face what is coming with the non-believers.

Matthew 24:15-18
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

While the passage does say "let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains", I believe this will extend to all believers around the world. When you see the Abomination of Desolation (the Antichrist standing in the Temple in Jerusalem, claiming to be God), get out of the cities, get away from non-believers, flee to the mountains (wilderness).

 

[49willys_mogon]

I look at it like this...Jeremiah wrote Lamentations durring the Babalonian exile. There is a parallel to China being behind our modern day Lamentations just look at any Blue state sanctuary city

 

[Xenonburnout]

Me too.


God has proven over and over again, that He does not need to remove us from this earth in order for His Wrath to be poured out upon it, while also keeping us safe.

Noah on the Arc during the flood.
Israelites in Egypt during the 10 plagues.
Lot prior to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

In Lot's case He did "remove" Lot from the city before it was destroyed, however it was Lot's choice (he could have decided not to listen to the 2 angels and remained). There is an additional lesson here, because just like Lot, I think future believers will be given a choice: leave the city or remain and face what is coming with the non-believers.



While the passage does say "let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains", I believe this will extend to all believers around the world. When you see the Abomination of Desolation (the Antichrist standing in the Temple in Jerusalem, claiming to be God), get out of the cities, get away from non-believers, flee to the mountains (wilderness).

Below is a decent write up on Daniels 70th week:

Digging Into Details of Daniel’s 70th Week :: By Gene Lawley

I think we will probably go back and forth on the eschatological discussions which we both agree is not a salvation issue. It only separates when we are summoned to go home. It’s funny, because a part of me hopes you are wrong and a part of you hopes I am right. We both agree that the signs of the times mentioned In Matthew, Timothy, 2 Peter, Thessalonians etc. etc are upon us. Regardless, the full armor of God will be necessary as we approach closer and closer. Thanks for inviting me here. I think the discussion is better fueled and beneficial to others by teaching scriptures to those who are searching that the days are upon us and that forgiveness of sins from Gods standpoint only comes from the shedding of innocent blood in Jesus Christ and the belief that His willing sacrifice paid that in full, God forgives us in full pardon as well. Basically God sacrificed himself in the human form of Jesus Christ to redeem his fallen human creation. What greater love is this?
Charis and Shalom

Here is another decent read on Gods mercy:

What’s Mercy Got to Do With Bible Prophecy? :: By Jonathan Brentner

Ruth, my wife, and I have a cat named Adaline. On the surface, one might wonder why she has captured our hearts. I don’t fully understand why I’m so

www.raptureready.com

Thanks again. The move toward digitalID and currency is moving along much faster now that the central banks have accomplished getting there hands into the mix. I remember thinking initially the idea of digital currencies being used to circumvent the regulations of central banking was brilliant. Now that the banks are going to regulate and disperse it, not so much.

 

[MChat]

I think we will probably go back and forth on the eschatological discussions which we both agree is not a salvation issue.

Definitely.

My fear for Christians is that they put so much of their trust in "not being here when things get bad". Things are getting bad, and only going to get worse, and we're still here. Christians in China and the Middle East are under severe persecution and we're still here. Christians in the early church suffered even worse persecution and we're still here. Jesus said, "If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you" (John 15:20) and yet I hear so many modern preachers preach that we'll be "raptured away before things get bad". But my trust is not in the rapture, my trust is in God who is able to keep me through whatever is to come.

I also fear for the "I'm saved because I..." crowd (we are saved because JESUS paid the penalty). When I ask people how they are saved, and they answer, "I'm saved because I go to church", "I'm saved because I am a good person", "I'm saved because I am a Baptist/Catholic/Methodist/Whateverist", etc. all I hear is "I'm saved because I did something to earn my salvation", but salvation is a gift by the Grace of God. I fear this "I'm saved because I..." crowd will follow gleefully after the Antichrist when he comes on the scene. I believe this is the church of Laodicea, the church where Jesus is outside knocking to come in, the church Jesus says He will "spew from His mouth". This is the church that trusts in its riches and doesn't want to be tried by fire (though they will be). (Revelation 3:14-22)

I believe that part of God's calling on my life is to plant the seed that just because Western Christians have not suffered the way that Christians elsewhere and else-when have, doesn't mean that we won't face real persecution. And as I watched the 2020 elections and saw so many "Christians" put their faith in a mere man (Trump) to "save this nation", I could easily see how many of them would be duped if the Antichrist were to come on the scene today, how many of them would follow after the Antichrist without a second thought.

The great apostacy has happened, the falling away from the faith is evident all around us. So many "churches" are preaching a different gospel (be it prosperity or "wokeism"), so many people who claim the name of Christ behave nothing like Him, so many who claim to be a Christian are relying on so many other things for salvation than the finished work of Christ upon the Cross. And as such, so much of modern "Christianity" is ripe to fall after the Antichrist when he does come on the scene.

 

[Tiha]

The great apostacy has happened, the falling away from the faith is evident all around us. So many "churches" are preaching a different gospel (be it prosperity or "wokeism"), so many people who claim the name of Christ behave nothing like Him, so many who claim to be a Christian are relying on so many other things for salvation than the finished work of Christ upon the Cross. And as such, so much of modern "Christianity" is ripe to fall after the Antichrist when he does come on the scene.

“The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.”​

― Brennan Manning

Yep, I agree, It is shocking to see people blindly follow someone because they are called a pastor or priest. Or to go to a church and blindly believe what they hear.
Even worse they ignore what they know to be good and right in their hearts.

America claims to be a christian nation, If that were true, if people acted on what they believe, or even knew what they believed, how then can all these horrible laws get passed? How then can a politician who promotes killing babies ever get elected?

We probably all do it to some extent and maybe we don't even realize it.

No politician will save us, no laws written, nothing can be legislated to make us a Godly society.

All we can do is run our race, be a shining light and poke and prod the darkness where we can.

 

[blakes]

I'm wondering what MChat says about the current events with Israel?

 

[Halffastford]

I'm hoping either I win the powerball or Jesus comes back soon.