Feel better now that you got that off your chest?
Something itty bitty like that sets you off, maybe you need to reevaluate your beliefs. For me, some little petty shit like that about something I firmly believe in wouldn't even make me blink.
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Current Events and Bible Prophecy
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Something itty bitty like that sets you off, maybe you need to reevaluate your beliefs. For me, some little petty shit like that about something I firmly believe in wouldn't even make me blink.
rockota
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yet you're in this thread making snarky comments at people who have a different world view. Evidence that you may be playing pot-meet-kettle.
If you'll go back and look, I didn't make any snarky comments directed at anyone until I was quoted. How's that pot-meet-kettle?
MChat
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I do not expect those who don't believe to understand spiritual things (including eschatology); in fact, it is 100% reasonable for them to read what is posted here and think that it is absolute foolishness.
The target audience for this thread was fellow Christians. If others want to read, make their little snide remarks, then so be it, let them. My hope is that one day when the Antichrist is ruling that they will remember this thread talked about the things that are happening before they happened. And as they remember perhaps, they'll choose differently than if they didn't know.
I expect the degrading remarks and give it as much credence as the neighbor's dog taking a dump in my front yard. The dog doesn't understand the difference between its yard and my yard, and they understand not the things of God (and rightly so considering the above verse).
The target audience for this thread was fellow Christians. If others want to read, make their little snide remarks, then so be it, let them. My hope is that one day when the Antichrist is ruling that they will remember this thread talked about the things that are happening before they happened. And as they remember perhaps, they'll choose differently than if they didn't know.
I expect the degrading remarks and give it as much credence as the neighbor's dog taking a dump in my front yard. The dog doesn't understand the difference between its yard and my yard, and they understand not the things of God (and rightly so considering the above verse).
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And if you look back and read s l o w l y you'll see I asked you a question as to why? Again, observing, not a problem. Make a comment and wither you think so or not, you just entered into the conversation.
Gary is a prefect example, why the hell do you get into a conversation in a thread you don't believe in? There was a thread about atheism, I never opened it. Even if I had, I wouldn't have made a comment as the topic did not pertain to me.
So again, if you want to observe and see just how nutty you think some of us are,
. Jump in with a comment...then you're part of it.And according to thermodynamics, you cannot create matter from no matter which kind of puts a damper on the big bang theory, if you only want to use science. Or do we simply use the science we agree with? So....theres that
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I'm a Confirmed Catholic, but I haven't regularly attended worship of any kind in many years. Don't confuse that with not believing though... What I believe though does not really fit into the general framework of Christianity.
Accept Jesus as my personal savior? Probably not.
Discount the possibility that Jesus has worked in ways that I cannot possibly understand and that my current belief structure is actually his work, veiled to me to make it so that it is something I can accept? No way.
Who am I to put limits on God or God's plans.
What I do know is that my life is what it is today specifically because God did for me what I simply could not do for myself. Simple as that.
All that said... This is a fascinating thread that I will have to go back through when I have more time.
Accept Jesus as my personal savior? Probably not.
Discount the possibility that Jesus has worked in ways that I cannot possibly understand and that my current belief structure is actually his work, veiled to me to make it so that it is something I can accept? No way.
Who am I to put limits on God or God's plans.
What I do know is that my life is what it is today specifically because God did for me what I simply could not do for myself. Simple as that.
All that said... This is a fascinating thread that I will have to go back through when I have more time.
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Honest question, since my post a couple days ago seems to have started this latest round of whatever:
Do all the believers in here pretty much agree with each other, or is there discourse like, "I don't think that's the correct interpretation", or "I really don't think that applies here"?
Reason I ask is because a couple specific posts (responses to why was covid planned to only take out sheeple, e.g.) just seemed really out there, at least to an outsider.
Animalmother
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So which part specifically was me going off because I must have missed it? Was it the part about how atheists are the most miserable fuckers on the planet? Sorry not sorry you mistake plainly stated english as going off. I guess thats quite the contrast to your limp wristed back handed approach of an insult and playing dumb when you get exactly the response thats warranted. Im all good over here bro, I guess I rub passive aggressive grown mens vaginitis roughly.
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I'm quite certain most have their own parts they believe. The one common agreement is Jesus is the son of God and there is but only one way to salvation.
I have friends of the same faith and yet we can disagree on certain takes on things. If 10 people read or listen to the same thing, chances are you'll get 7 to 10 different takes on the subject.
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So is that happening in here?
I don't keep up with the thread, but when I do pop in I don't really see much of it.
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Honest answer...
There's a few denomination's for a reason. At the end of it all though, the primary belief is God the trinity is. Ergo, God Jesus and the holy spirit is the crux of Christianity. The other differences are meager, at best.
God created the world and everything in it including man. Man sinned against God and fell, taking the world along with him. The only way to salvation is through Christ the son, whom God sacrificed. Jesus Christ is God. He sent the holy spirit to aid us. The holy spirit is God. Through all things God.
The bible tells us our history, as well as a historical reference to creation, angels, demons and much more. It pretty much reveals what God wanted us to know. At least everything we need to know about him and what we need to know regarding our presence apart, and with him.
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Not really... I don't necessarily agree with everything Mchat says, and I am sure he disagrees with me on some things too. Really though in the big picture I am certain we agree on. The how and when? God didn't give us all the answers in many regards, so some of the discussions are subjective.
As for the main text in regards to Jesus. There's no disagreement I'm sure.
Animalmother
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Anyone notice how people feel compelled to go out of their way to attack anytime people gather to talk about god, and often spew the same shit? Wonder if people recognize where that desire is coming from….
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Wow.
You ok man? Maybe you and sky dude need a little chat so you can calm your tits.
❤️
Tiha
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It is pretty well covered already.
For any decent, intelligent conversation you have to have a common foundation.
For believers that is the bible. If we cannot agree on the bible then we have nothing to build from.
There are core beliefs, like Jesus is the only way to heaven. That is fact, Over and Over it is perfectly clear in the bible.
But on the other topics, items that do not affect salvation. Those are secondary and it is open season.
Like Do aliens exist? Some argue the bible says yes, Some argue the bible says no.
Doesn't really matter to me if they do or not because that will not affect my salvation so we can debate and be right or wrong all day long without affecting anything really.
That is just one example of how two "believers" can completely disagree but they both are still going to heaven. The point is moot.
Without that common foundation there is no need to discuss anything else like the end times or any other gray areas of the bible.
It would be like me trying to explain how automatic transmissions work using the shop manual, but if you don't believe the shop manual, then why would you believe anything I tell you about transmissions?
Much of what is discussed in this thread is going to be like a lawyer talking to a 10 year old. 10 year is not going to comprehend it until he learns the basics that the lawyer has already learned.
But, there is great information here for even a non believer and hopefully threads like this will help get non believers into the bible to see for themselves what is going on.
Tiha
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Read something very recently that has really stuck with me. It really helps me keep perspective when being attacked.
Those people that attack us are not the enemy. They are captives of the enemy.
The enemy will use them as slaves to do his bidding.
MChat
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It depends on the topic. I think most (like 99%) Christian denominations/churches would agree with the basic tenants.
God created the universe.
Man (Adam) was created perfect but fell from grace by sinning against God.
All of Adam's descendants inherited his "sin nature."
God Himself came as Jesus, the only begotten son through the Virgin Mary to die as a sacrifice for our sins.
On the 3rd day He was resurrected (demonstrating His deity).
He walked, talked and ate with His disciples following His resurrection and many witnessed this.
50 days later He ascended to heaven and promised that He would return ("the second coming")
Outside of those basic tenants there are a lot of variances and on the "Christian forums" you will find heated discussions amongst the members.
Baptism, for instance. Is it required for Salvation? Is sprinkling water on the head sufficient or does it need to be a partial or complete submersion? Is infant baptism biblical? Depending on who you talk to, you will get different answers for all of those questions. Some with solid scriptural references (sola scriptura), some with "historical" references, some with cultural interpretation, some with "apostolic succession" adding narrative to the scriptures (e.g. Catholic Catechism).
Take this verse for instance:
Based on this passage and through the influence of the Catholic Church in the "Early Medieval Period" up to the "High Medieval Period" changed a polygamist culture into a monogamist one. The idea being that if it was good for priests to be monogamous then it was good for the general church membership as well. This influenced not only Catholic doctrine, but also doctrine of Protestant and "underground" (e.g., Baptist) churches as well. Marriage being only between one man and one woman became the cultural norm and even if the underground church would allow for polygamy, it would have been difficult to maintain such relationships in particular during the inquisitions when anything other than the Catholic Religion became heresy.
Now, this isn't the only passage that monogamy is derived from (God created only Eve for Adam, not Eve and Sarah and Leah and Rebecca, etc...) but it is used as an example showing that having "only" one wife is "good" (and therefore having more than one must be "bad"). Yet if you study the Old Testament, you will find two things: there were rules for having more than one wife (e.g., Deuteronomy 21:15-17) and there were cultural traditions (the first wife was the "head" of all the wives). Second, the Priesthood (Old Testament, Temple Priests) was also commanded to have one wife. So, the restriction on Priests (Old and New Testament) was to have one wife.
Meanwhile, thanks to Apostolic Succession, well actually Papal Succession, Pope Gregory VII in the "High Medieval Period" overruled this passage and prohibited clergy from getting married at all. Which is odd considering the passage in context is that a man needs to know how to lead his own family in order to mentor men in the leadership of their families and now by Papal Decree clergy will be lacking in experience in this matter.
Then there are some churches that note that it was not forbidden in either Testament for a "normal" (non-clergy) man to have more than one wife, so as long as he is not clergy then it is ok for him to have more than one wife. However, western culture still frowns on this so either they keep the multiple wives a secret or the don't practice it, even though according to the religion there is "nothing wrong" with it.
So, now we have multiple views of this passage (and we're still only dealing with Western Culture).
Polygamy is ok for non-clergy, but not ok for clergy (sola scriptura).
Polygamy is not ok for everyone, clergy or not (scriptura plus historical/cultural influence)
Neither Polygamy not Monogamy is ok for clergy (they are to be celibate) and only Monogamy is ok for non-clergy (exo-scriptura by papal decree)
And yet, there is one more view. A friend of mine was a videographer for documentaries and was embedded with a Christian Bedouin tribe where the leaders (overseers/bishops) had more than one wife. In their view, based on the context of the passage, clergy needed to have at least one wife so that he could properly counsel other men with their families. It comes down to Western culture adding the word "only" and the Bedouin culture adding the word "at least" to the above scripture.
"...the husband of only one wife..."
vs
"...the husband of at least one wife..."
As you can see from the above example, when it comes to topics off of the basic tenants, there can be much discrepancy and therefore passionate discussions (a.k.a. arguments) around a variety of topics amongst different denominations or churches. Indeed, even within the same local church I have heard heated discussions on a variety of topics.
When it comes to eschatology (study of end-times prophecy) there are 4 main views (and I'm just going to use definitions I found online):
- Premillennialism is the belief that Jesus will physically return to the Earth (the Second Coming) before the Millennium, a literal thousand-year golden age of peace.
- Postmillennialism, or postmillenarianism, is an interpretation of chapter 20 of the Book of Revelation which sees Christ's second coming as occurring after (Latin post-) the "Millennium", a Golden Age in which Christian ethics prosper.
- Amillennialism or amillenarism is a chillegoristic eschatological position in Christianity which holds that there will be no millennial reign of the righteous on Earth.
- Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened.
- Pretribulation - Christians are raptured away before the Antichrist takes power.
- Midtribulation - Christians are raptured about midway through the Tribulation period, about the same time the Antichrist declares that he is god.
- PreWrath - Christians are raptured out somewhere between midway and the end, but prior to "the wrath of God's judgment" being poured out onto the earth.
- Postribulation - Christians are raptured out as Jesus is returning.
- No Rapture - self-explanatory.
Does this answer your question?
MChat
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Given the recent back and forth, thought it may be prudent to quote this.
Let me start by asking a favor from those here who are non-believers, be it agnostic, deist, atheist or some other religion: Please refrain from turning this thread into yet another battle between Christians and non-believers. If you have legitimate questions about the topics being discussed, by all means ask away.
What I am asking you don't do is make posts to tell us how stupid you think we are for believing what we believe, or how ridiculous you think what we are discussing is, or to hurl generic insults at us. It is not that we can't take the ribbing or insults (either intended as general "messing with you" or intended as genuine insults), it is just that my hallucination is that this is a serious topic, especially considering what is happening around the world and my hope is to keep this thread from being derailed.
If you feel the urge, need or desire to respond in a derogatory manner, please do so here:
Bible Prophecy - Nonbeliever's Playground
Please post all non-serious comments, derogatory statements or insults from the Current Events and Bible Prophecy in this thread. If you're genuinely interested in having a debate, please still post it here. Thank you!irate4x4.com
Meanwhile, my intent for this thread is to highlight some of the current (and possible future events) that are related to Bible Prophecy, even if you are not a believer currently, perhaps your curiosity will serve you and as events unfold in the months and years to come you will remember that we discussed it here before it happened.
For example, the Bible is clear that one day people will need to receive a "mark" (tattoo or digital micro-chip?) on their right hand or on their forehead in order to buy and sell. Even just 2 years ago that seemed like something that was far off in the future from even being a possibility; now with the vaccine mandates and vaccine passports (digital or paper) being discussed, this seems much, much closer to becoming a reality very soon.
Fellow believers, if a post is made that is off-topic, and you feel the need to respond, please respond in the thread mentioned above. When using scripture please indicate book, chapter, verse and translation so we can find and read the passage for context so you don't feel the need to quote the entire section or chapter.
Thank you for your cooperation. (Additional posts to follow, as soon as the forum software will allow me to post).
Tiha
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MChat
Resident "Preacher Man"
Pentagram has 5 sides
Pentecost is 50 days
Feast of Weeks or Pentecost — Leviticus 23:167 Feasts that Point to Christ - Wycliffe Bible Translators
www.wycliffe.org
This feast is the second of the three harvest feasts. It occurs exactly seven weeks after the Feast of First Fruits, so it’s also called Pentecost which means “50 days.”
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I suspect I have a lot of disagreements with other Christians and Catholics. I'm sure if I spoke at length with Mchat, I would disagree with him on at least a portion of his views.
I also suspect that most hardcore bible people may consider me less than them for not buying 100% into everything exactly as it's stated, and that I'm some kind of jerk for drawing my own conclusions and thinking the bible should not be taken literally.
But I absolutely believe in my heart there is a God, a creator, and there is zero chance this all happened by chance. Whether he plays an active role or only one of creation is another topic I'm not sold on.
Tiha
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You said ascended into heaven. That was 40 days
Pentecost was the holy spirit at 50 days.
So that wording is kind of confusing.
And Pentecostals hold the holy sprit in a higher regard than other versions right?
MChat
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Yes, you are correct. I mixed the two events.
Tiha
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How do you mean?
I don't, The holy spirit is God, Just as is God and just as is Jesus is God. So I am not sure how he can be more or less important.
Gotta keep ya honest. LOL I do the same things when typing out a thought too fast.
Animalmother
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'Full-On, Openly Satanic': Sam Smith 'Unholy' Grammy Performance With Devils, Horns Called 'Diabolical'
Pretty sic this is where we are as a Nation.
CBS Deletes 'Ready to Worship' Tweet After Blowback
CBS scared to own the devil worship
Pretty sic this is where we are as a Nation.
CBS Deletes 'Ready to Worship' Tweet After Blowback
CBS scared to own the devil worship
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Well, I found that explanation very interesting and informative, but it raised an obvious question in my mind. Why is there never any talk of a woman having more than one husband?