CrustyJeep
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Um, I know what some people claim is the rough timeline of Biblical events. Don't you?
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Current Events and Bible Prophecy
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How come we never hear about Nostradamus' predictions coming true these days?
MChat
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The more I learn about these "elite" families, the more I believe this cult they are in is the Whore of Babylon in control of the final Beast (which is the global NWO) in Revelation 17.
The bad news is that no matter what happens inside the U.S., no matter who is elected or not elected, the U.S. either falls or is simply part of the NWO.
The really bad news is that when a guy shows up on the scene and "defeats" this elite cult and appears to "save the day" a global hero, that guy will be the Antichrist.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Although it does sound like there is about 3 1/2 years of relatively prosperous times under the AC, in the end, he will be even worse than what he "rescued" us from.
SanDiegoCJ
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Probably because it's all bullshit.
SanDiegoCJ
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An honest question.................................................................. do you really believe that ?
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Nostradamus' predictions have 'come true' at least once every ten years of my (long) life. And are always interpreted in terms of the here-and-now.Probably because it's all bullshit.
Vague bullshit can be interpreted any way you want. And since humanity always follows the same equations, recurring themes are guaranteed.
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because he predicted we wouldn't
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This is how you end up drinking poisoned kookaid in a South American jungle.
MChat
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I've done quite a bit of research, both in book and online; there are a lot of puzzle pieces to put together but, yes, I believe that there are a group of "elite families" that believe they descend from Lilith/Ashtaroth, are therefore "better" than us "humans", have been ruling various "kingdoms" of the world for millennia by controlling the "purse strings" of said kingdoms and are now poised to bring about their master plan of controlling "the world" via a one world government (a.k.a. the New World Order).
In Revelation they are described as the 10 Kings, but they all worship "Mystery Babylon" which IMO is another name for Lillith / Ashtaroth. I used to wonder why the Antichrist would "turn" on the Whore of Babylon (burn her with fire, as it says in Revelation) when she is seen riding the Antichrist's "beast kingdom" (one world government) at the beginning of Rev 17.
One of the websites I've read suggested that America is Mystery Babylon and it talked about who Ashtaroth was, what color of clothing she wore (purple and red), etc... This website also discussed how the Statue of Liberty was modelled after Aphrodite, which is the Greek name for the same (false) goddess Ashtaroth. This was also confirmed in another book (The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop) that traces several "gods" through their various names and placed they were worshiped. Lillith became Ishtar became Ashtaroth became Aphrodite became Venus became (thanks to Constantine) "Mother Mary" of the Roman Catholic Church (where she is still referred to by one of her original titles that dates back at least to Ishtar: The Queen of Heaven).
So, all of these goddesses are actually the same, just different peoples in different places gave her different names. In ancient Sumeria she was Ishtar and one of the "gods and goddesses" worshipped by the people responsible for building the tower of Babel. The tower was destroyed, and the people scattered, but ancient Babylon would rise from its ashes. Thus, she is the original "Whore of Babylon".
Around this time, I also learned that the "elite" families are not Christian, they are Luciferian -- which is not exactly the same as Satanic. Luciferians believe that Lucifer was the Creator and Jehovah was the Usurper. Basically, they believe that Lucifer created the universe and created Adam and his wife Lillith. Jehovah (according to them) then convinces Lillith to reject Adam's authority and leave him, which she does. Jehovah then steps in and creates Eve from Adam (which, again according to them, he had to do because he didn't have the power to create from nothing), making Eve "submissive" to Adam.
So now, according to them, the offspring of Adam and Eve are an abomination, not part of the intended creation. Meanwhile the offspring of Lillith are the truly created beings -- some accounts say that Lillith had children with Adam before she left, others that she "joined" with Lucifer, others that she used Adam's sons. In any case, these elite believe themselves to be offspring of Lillith, the true inheritors of the Creation (earth) and we abominable humans are invalid creatures deserving of eradication. Which is a big reason these elite families are so concerned with their bloodlines and keeping the bloodline pure.
When I learned that these families essentially worship Lillith (their "mother") and Lucifer the idea that the Whore of Babylon in Revelation 17 might just be a reference to this elitist cult. Particularly since they are seen "riding on" (in control of) the final "one world" beast kingdom.
Then I learned something else: these elite families trace their roots back to the Biblical Amalekites/Ammonites. These are the tribes which God commanded Israel (Saul) to utterly wipe out, to kill every man, woman and child. And to not only destroy the people, but also destroy all of their livestock: any living thing that was part of their civilization Israel was to destroy. That didn't happen, Saul kept Agag the King alive and Agag wife w/ child escaped. Another interesting fact about the Amalekites: they worshipped Ashtaroth (Lillith).
The Bible says that the Ammonites were giants, which according to some, means they may have had demonic origins. In Genesis 6 the Bible says that the "sons of God" came into the daughters of men and had children by them. In the same passage it mentions that these children were mighty men, men of renown (possibly the origins of Hercules and others?). The same passage also says "there were Giants in those days" -- some have said that indicates the offspring of the fallen angels (demons) and women are giants. If this is true, and the Ammonites were giants, then perhaps the "original" Amalekites were the offspring of demons and women. No wonder God commanded Israel to utterly destroy them.
But they weren't destroyed, Agag's wife and child survived. In the book of Ester, we read about how Haman the Agagite had the "king's ear" and was manipulating the king to eliminate the Israelites. Haman got too close to the limelight, too far out of the shadows and ended up getting hung on the very gallows he convinced the king to build for the Israelites. But it does give us a glimpse into how these elite families operate: from the shadows manipulating the kings and queens (and prime ministers and presidents and czars and whatever) of the kingdoms.
When I say these elite families have been doing this for millennia, I mean it: they've been learning and manipulating from the shadows for nearly 4000 years.
But still, why does the Antichrist turn on them? Aren't they worshiping Lucifer? If the AC belongs to Lucifer, then why would he turn on them? A couple of reasons:
1. The Lucifer they worship, and the Lucifer of the Bible aren't the same; they're worshiping a non-existent "deity." It'd be the same as people who call themselves Christians, but they worship Jesus the Mexican gardener.
2. The people of the world are being awakened to the corruption and diabolical nature of these families. The AC needs to "be the hero", he needs to be so popular that even Christians would be tempted to follow him ("deceive the elect" - Matt 24:24). What better way to do that than to show the world the deeds of these elite families to wake them up to their eugenics programs, their "ethnic cleansing" their blood rituals.
I think as the next decade unfolds, we will see just how corrupt these elite are, just how little control we have over our own governments, how their plan to bring in the NWO is unstoppable, and we are just along for the ride. It's going to get worse, much, much worse than it already has become. And then once the world has seen enough, has suffered enough, the AC will come onto the scene and "destroy the cabal" saving humanity from these monsters, exposing their corruption and become the hero nearly everyone on earth puts their faith in.
Then about 3 1/2 years later, he will stand in the newly rebuilt Jewish temple and declare that he is God; then "all Hell will break loose" meaning the horrors described in Revelation will happen, culminating in the battle of Armageddon.
A lot of puzzle pieces, hopefully I've shown the few I believe I have put together correctly.
In Revelation they are described as the 10 Kings, but they all worship "Mystery Babylon" which IMO is another name for Lillith / Ashtaroth. I used to wonder why the Antichrist would "turn" on the Whore of Babylon (burn her with fire, as it says in Revelation) when she is seen riding the Antichrist's "beast kingdom" (one world government) at the beginning of Rev 17.
One of the websites I've read suggested that America is Mystery Babylon and it talked about who Ashtaroth was, what color of clothing she wore (purple and red), etc... This website also discussed how the Statue of Liberty was modelled after Aphrodite, which is the Greek name for the same (false) goddess Ashtaroth. This was also confirmed in another book (The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop) that traces several "gods" through their various names and placed they were worshiped. Lillith became Ishtar became Ashtaroth became Aphrodite became Venus became (thanks to Constantine) "Mother Mary" of the Roman Catholic Church (where she is still referred to by one of her original titles that dates back at least to Ishtar: The Queen of Heaven).
So, all of these goddesses are actually the same, just different peoples in different places gave her different names. In ancient Sumeria she was Ishtar and one of the "gods and goddesses" worshipped by the people responsible for building the tower of Babel. The tower was destroyed, and the people scattered, but ancient Babylon would rise from its ashes. Thus, she is the original "Whore of Babylon".
Around this time, I also learned that the "elite" families are not Christian, they are Luciferian -- which is not exactly the same as Satanic. Luciferians believe that Lucifer was the Creator and Jehovah was the Usurper. Basically, they believe that Lucifer created the universe and created Adam and his wife Lillith. Jehovah (according to them) then convinces Lillith to reject Adam's authority and leave him, which she does. Jehovah then steps in and creates Eve from Adam (which, again according to them, he had to do because he didn't have the power to create from nothing), making Eve "submissive" to Adam.
So now, according to them, the offspring of Adam and Eve are an abomination, not part of the intended creation. Meanwhile the offspring of Lillith are the truly created beings -- some accounts say that Lillith had children with Adam before she left, others that she "joined" with Lucifer, others that she used Adam's sons. In any case, these elite believe themselves to be offspring of Lillith, the true inheritors of the Creation (earth) and we abominable humans are invalid creatures deserving of eradication. Which is a big reason these elite families are so concerned with their bloodlines and keeping the bloodline pure.
When I learned that these families essentially worship Lillith (their "mother") and Lucifer the idea that the Whore of Babylon in Revelation 17 might just be a reference to this elitist cult. Particularly since they are seen "riding on" (in control of) the final "one world" beast kingdom.
Then I learned something else: these elite families trace their roots back to the Biblical Amalekites/Ammonites. These are the tribes which God commanded Israel (Saul) to utterly wipe out, to kill every man, woman and child. And to not only destroy the people, but also destroy all of their livestock: any living thing that was part of their civilization Israel was to destroy. That didn't happen, Saul kept Agag the King alive and Agag wife w/ child escaped. Another interesting fact about the Amalekites: they worshipped Ashtaroth (Lillith).
The Bible says that the Ammonites were giants, which according to some, means they may have had demonic origins. In Genesis 6 the Bible says that the "sons of God" came into the daughters of men and had children by them. In the same passage it mentions that these children were mighty men, men of renown (possibly the origins of Hercules and others?). The same passage also says "there were Giants in those days" -- some have said that indicates the offspring of the fallen angels (demons) and women are giants. If this is true, and the Ammonites were giants, then perhaps the "original" Amalekites were the offspring of demons and women. No wonder God commanded Israel to utterly destroy them.
But they weren't destroyed, Agag's wife and child survived. In the book of Ester, we read about how Haman the Agagite had the "king's ear" and was manipulating the king to eliminate the Israelites. Haman got too close to the limelight, too far out of the shadows and ended up getting hung on the very gallows he convinced the king to build for the Israelites. But it does give us a glimpse into how these elite families operate: from the shadows manipulating the kings and queens (and prime ministers and presidents and czars and whatever) of the kingdoms.
When I say these elite families have been doing this for millennia, I mean it: they've been learning and manipulating from the shadows for nearly 4000 years.
But still, why does the Antichrist turn on them? Aren't they worshiping Lucifer? If the AC belongs to Lucifer, then why would he turn on them? A couple of reasons:
1. The Lucifer they worship, and the Lucifer of the Bible aren't the same; they're worshiping a non-existent "deity." It'd be the same as people who call themselves Christians, but they worship Jesus the Mexican gardener.
2. The people of the world are being awakened to the corruption and diabolical nature of these families. The AC needs to "be the hero", he needs to be so popular that even Christians would be tempted to follow him ("deceive the elect" - Matt 24:24). What better way to do that than to show the world the deeds of these elite families to wake them up to their eugenics programs, their "ethnic cleansing" their blood rituals.
I think as the next decade unfolds, we will see just how corrupt these elite are, just how little control we have over our own governments, how their plan to bring in the NWO is unstoppable, and we are just along for the ride. It's going to get worse, much, much worse than it already has become. And then once the world has seen enough, has suffered enough, the AC will come onto the scene and "destroy the cabal" saving humanity from these monsters, exposing their corruption and become the hero nearly everyone on earth puts their faith in.
Then about 3 1/2 years later, he will stand in the newly rebuilt Jewish temple and declare that he is God; then "all Hell will break loose" meaning the horrors described in Revelation will happen, culminating in the battle of Armageddon.
A lot of puzzle pieces, hopefully I've shown the few I believe I have put together correctly.
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Mr Stubs
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Thanks for the good read, I genuinely mean this.
But, when does the movie version come out?
Thanks for the good read, I genuinely mean this.
But, when does the movie version come out?
MuntCuffin
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I can't think of a Catholic that thinks of Mary as a goddess.
Regardless, good thought provoking read.
Regardless, good thought provoking read.
Animalmother
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Why do they pray to her tho? Always thought that wasnt right
MuntCuffin
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She has a way of approaching the Father and the Son that I don't have. She is the Mother of Jesus, chosen by God the Father Almighty to bear his Son. The most highly regarded of all humans, but still human. Assumed into heaven.
Hell of a woman to have on your team.
I pray for the intercession of the saints, too. Particularly St. Augustine. Does not mean I hold them in place of God, nor view them as deities.
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Why does this seem opposite of earlier comments?
I was thinking the 3 1/2y were supposed to be “hell on earth” followed by 1000y of light and sanity.
MChat
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I would say that most Catholics, including most Catholic clergy don't either, however the veneration of Mary didn't start until Constantine blended Christianity and the Pagan Religion of Rome together into what ultimately became the Roman Catholic Church. The book I mentioned earlier (The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop) outlines this "mixed marriage" which really explains a lot of the "traditions" of the RCC that cannot directly be found in the Bible.
Edit: The veneration of the Saints also occurred at the same time. This veneration and the extrabiblical concepts are evidence of this elite cult's infiltration of the church. They brought in their "Queen of Heaven" (Lillith, Ishtar, Ashtaroth) rebranded as "Mary, Mother of God" so that they could worship her without raising suspicion of those "not in their circle." Constantine outlawed the Jewish holidays like Passover and rebranded pagan holidays as "Christian", e.g. Easter was originally the Feast of Ishtar (Easter is a transliteration of Ishtar).
This "cult of elites" proceeded to "rule" over the kingdoms via their control of the leadership of the church sometimes including the Papacy. Pope Leo X is quoted as having said "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!" It is likely that he was an actual member of this elite cult, which is why he would refer to the Gospel of Jesus Christ as a "fable".
When the RCC began to lose its grip on the kingdoms of the "civilized world" during the Protestant Reformation, this "elite cult" adapted, changed their tactics and began controlling kings and queens via the purse strings. They worked in the shadows, advising one kingdom to take action against another (whose king was advised by a different family in the cult to take action against the first), and then they financed both sides of the war leaving both nations in debt to (and therefor under the control of) the elite families. Eventually this became the central banking system we have now.
When the U.S. won the Revolutionary war, the Founding Fathers had the foresight to not trust in a central bank or in these families and tried to "go it alone". The elite families used their influence over the King of England to "go get back the colonies", bringing about the war of 1812. The elites then brought war after war after war to the fledgling U.S. until it had no choice but to turn to the central banking system for funding (4 or 5 acts passed by congress during the civil war opened the door for the central bank). Amazingly once the U.S. was under the central banks control the wars stopped for a time, at least until the industrial revolution made the U.S. a powerhouse and the elites used WWI and WWII to move their "power" from the British Empire to an American "Empire". IMO, there is evidence to suggest that initially it was supposed to be Germany that would be the replacement, not the U.S.; but Hitler got a big head and stopped listening to the elite families. The Nazi movement is has many of the same components that these elite families desire such as Eugenics.
The bottom line is, whatever is "controlling the civilized world", these elite families have been advising and/or controlling from the shadows for thousands of years. They're good at it.
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MChat
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There is a total of 7 years under the Antichrist. The first 3 1/2 years are ones of peace and prosperity; the last 3 1/2 years is mayhem and destruction coupled with a requirement for absolute allegiance to the AC in the form of the Mark of the Beast. After the 7 years, Christ returns, defeats the AC, locks Satan away for 1000 years for the millennial reign of Jesus on earth. (Rev 20)
xr-nut
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Wouldnt now be a great time to (m)chat about pre trib vs post trib.........
seriously though.
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Everyone already knows your views on religion so an honest question......why the fuck do you continue to pop into a thread on religion where it is being discussed? You add absolutely nothing to the discussion. If you really want to give your opinion on something, try giving it on what Trump did that was not for America and Americans. Until then, stfu.
Is there anything in the Bible that backs up most highly regarded human or that she has some path to God we don't? Enough was thought of Enoch and Elijah that they never died. I would think they would be a more highly regarded human since they didn't have to endure death and all that that means. The bible says that David was a man after God's heart which is said of no one else. It says that John was beloved disciple. I'm just looking for where this idea comes from that would be more substantial than those examples.
SanDiegoCJ
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Everyone knows you hug my nuts, so why remind everyone of that constantly
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And everyone knows you're just an angry senseless old fart shaking his fist at the clouds....your point? Oh, that's right, you never actually have one.
MuntCuffin
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She was chosen to be the mother of God here on earth....
Jesus wasn't born a 35 year old man, either.
Mary got to spend more time with Jesus than anyone else.
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Thank you. I always enjoy an update and further discussion of this topic.
Yes, and none of the disciples directly coached by Jesus prayed to her nor did any of the teachers in the Bible in Acts teaching churchs how they were supposed to run. When Jesus taught us how to pray, he never mentioned his mother. So by the Church's reasoning, since she was chosen, she must be special, nothing in the Bible?
MuntCuffin
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John 19:25-29.
Still working my way through the gospels. About 1/2 through Matthew. I'll have a better answer for ya when done.
Mary certainly isn't the focus of the Bible. I believe she is only attributed 1 spoken line, at the wedding feast of Cana, where she commands the servers to do whatever Jesus tells them
Where did this authority come from?
Maybe it was endowed unto her by her son.
Either way, I didn't intend for this to turn into a divinity of Mary debate. It was alleged the Catholics look at Mary as a goddess. Which is not the case. We honor her and venerate her as the Mother of Jesus. We ask for her prayers. We ask for her intercession.
We do not seek from Mary what we seek from the Father, Son, or Spirit.
It's all good. I'm just trying to learn where it comes from. Not intending to convince anyone of anything. I'm not a catholic obviously and don't know one well enough to have the conversation.
Tiha
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Do you mean they can connect/communicate with God in ways that we cannot?
If that is your question, no in the New testament everything changed. We all have a direct line to God, not one person more important than another.
It is not that those people didn't die, they are not still roaming the earth. But they didn't die in more traditional ways. They were taken to heaven before the body was lifeless.
God does not love one person more or less than anyone else. He sent his son to die for you. Even if you were the only one.
But he also sees us exactly as we are. He sees our heart. He knows who we are when nobody is looking.
Some people believe there are different levels of heaven attained by those people you speak of, Not sure I agree or not. Don't care. If I can make it in on the very lowest level hanging on by a thread that will be enough for me. That is still far better than anything we can fathom.
Nope, I don't mean anyone can communicate with God in ways that we cannot other than old testament prophets while on earth and Jesus himself. I was questioning why catholics believe that praying to Mary or any of the saints was beneficial.
As to your question about levels of heaven, I encourage you to do a study on heavenly crowns. I think there is some bleedover between worldly ideas of "levels" and biblical ideas of rewards that pollute conversations at times.
I am a chosen child of the risen King, I eat at my father's table because of his grace and love. He is eternal and knew me eternally before I was born into this world and all my sins were before him and he chose the cross for my benefit anyway. I know very well I am loved.
Tiha
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Yeah I don't know about the Catholic things, I don't agree with that practice, so wrong person to ask.
And crowns, I think it is possible but not sure I see it the same way when reading the whole context. This is probably not the thread for that discussion. Never the less a secondary issue and open for debate.
MChat
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More evidence that our Founding Fathers knew about the Elite Families and their methods of controlling governments.
The many heads of this monster are the elite families that control the central banking system. As I've mentioned many times before, these families have been working in the shadows for thousands of years.
The many heads of this monster are the elite families that control the central banking system. As I've mentioned many times before, these families have been working in the shadows for thousands of years.