I'm going to put this at the top, if this discussion gets to spicy around a few topics within I implore a mod to move it to TP, and if it gets too shitty there you can axe it... But I will not and I believe we can discuss this intelligently if we try, which is why I'm putting it here.
I'm certain some of you out there have heard of the IQ studies done with breakdowns by race/country of origin. I'm also certain that you've mostly heard of this as "debunked", "flawed", or some such. I've never cared from a prejudicial point of view, more from a human development/evolution point of view. I'll try to give a TL;DR that's fair but I'd implore you to read the whole thing as all the people who disagree with the findings never delve very deep.
Summary: Tens of thousands of IQ tests have been done over decades and the results have been correlated with race/ethnicity, country, education, income, family stability. Those results have shown this:
Everything I've read/heard about it has been 1-it has been corrected for age/education/income; and 2-nobody has refuted the statistical analysis, critics end up attacking ad hominim. This is a problem. Perhaps a problem that could be worked on in a non-eugenic way, and could be worked on if it were faced, but here we are.
Now to the meat of what I want to discuss.
I've seen some much better data over the years that breaks these groups down even better. Like, Ashkenazi Jews are above Chinese/Japanese, then Northern Europeans. Helps break down the various subsets of "white" in America. Shows that Blacks in America, while below the US average, are well above their sub-saharan Africa counterparts. The bright spots in Africa (Nigeria for example). Guess what? No matter the search engine, I CAN ONLY FIND SHIT SAYING HOW RACIST THESE PEOPLE ARE WHO PUT OUT THIS SCHOLARLY, PEER-REVIEWED WORK!!!!
WTF internet? Now, I know controversial shit is HARD to find, but impossible? I'm used to having to go a few pages deep on even "neutral" search engines, but this is ridiculous. BTW, my reason is not one to bolster any racist thoughts, but a theory as to "why" this is so that I've never heard.
My Theory™
If you use the breakdown of subcultures that have produced the most intelligent by the standard of IQ, you find population groups that have a history of long stretches of sophisticated civil society that perpetuated to semi-modern times.
-Jews (through their religious practice and proximity to 'cradle of civilization) at the top, with the Ashkenazi's being some of the most 'pure', maybe 3000 years?
-China's civilization at a high level stretched for over 2000 years largely unbroken, and the korean peninsula and Japan are settled by Chinese from a cultural standpoint.
-Europe, being home of sophisticated civilizations for about the same length as China, but less real continuity between them
So there's the top 3, more or less.
Why not the middle east as a whole? Well, the 'civilized' genetic population was half-heartedly exterminated through the wars of muhammed and the arabs were, traditionally thoughout the hellenistic/persian era were little more than barbarian mercenaries, not really brought into civil society until they took over. Much of the fighting there today stems from the 7th century wars, really.
Egypt, while having older civilizations, have largely replaced that population they had too in a similar manner.
So, why the difference between black americans and black africans?
Same deal, when their descendants were brought here, they were incorporated into a modern civil society and were therefore selected to live in it, while their counterparts weren't for another few hundred years. That, and intermarriage.
The theory I propose is that stable societies with divisions of labor and specialization selects for intelligence. Any group that adopts it (or gets it imposed on them) will eventually select for more and more intelligent people.
That's not to say intelligence is #1 all the time, as you need a physically strong, agile, and brave person to fight it out in a hunter/gatherer existence, but you don't need too many philosophers or scientists in that culture, so they aren't selected for.
I think its a good theory, I'd love to be able to find more data for it, but the gods of the internet won't allow it, and I don't have time to go hunting in university libraries for these 'banned' works that aren't findable on the internet.
BTW, there's other reasons besides IQ as to why "the great separation" occurred in western societies and not the east, but the east and Israel (Jews) have been the ones to adopt it the fastest, which shows how the concepts of western civ aren't western at all but apply to any society that places high value on intelligence and merit.
So, are there gaping holes in my theory? Do you know the sneaky keywords to find this information I know is out there but I can't find? Am I just trolling? Are you just trolling?
Jokey end, but I am serious about my post. I will reiterate that I'd rather have the mods move to TP if y'all can't behave yourselves, so Imma gonna tag a few right now No way scooter2374 Grendel sorry
I know trying to have a conversation like this in the open may be the end of me, but I'm tired of chinese balloon shit
I'm certain some of you out there have heard of the IQ studies done with breakdowns by race/country of origin. I'm also certain that you've mostly heard of this as "debunked", "flawed", or some such. I've never cared from a prejudicial point of view, more from a human development/evolution point of view. I'll try to give a TL;DR that's fair but I'd implore you to read the whole thing as all the people who disagree with the findings never delve very deep.
Summary: Tens of thousands of IQ tests have been done over decades and the results have been correlated with race/ethnicity, country, education, income, family stability. Those results have shown this:
Everything I've read/heard about it has been 1-it has been corrected for age/education/income; and 2-nobody has refuted the statistical analysis, critics end up attacking ad hominim. This is a problem. Perhaps a problem that could be worked on in a non-eugenic way, and could be worked on if it were faced, but here we are.
Now to the meat of what I want to discuss.
I've seen some much better data over the years that breaks these groups down even better. Like, Ashkenazi Jews are above Chinese/Japanese, then Northern Europeans. Helps break down the various subsets of "white" in America. Shows that Blacks in America, while below the US average, are well above their sub-saharan Africa counterparts. The bright spots in Africa (Nigeria for example). Guess what? No matter the search engine, I CAN ONLY FIND SHIT SAYING HOW RACIST THESE PEOPLE ARE WHO PUT OUT THIS SCHOLARLY, PEER-REVIEWED WORK!!!!
WTF internet? Now, I know controversial shit is HARD to find, but impossible? I'm used to having to go a few pages deep on even "neutral" search engines, but this is ridiculous. BTW, my reason is not one to bolster any racist thoughts, but a theory as to "why" this is so that I've never heard.My Theory™
If you use the breakdown of subcultures that have produced the most intelligent by the standard of IQ, you find population groups that have a history of long stretches of sophisticated civil society that perpetuated to semi-modern times.
-Jews (through their religious practice and proximity to 'cradle of civilization) at the top, with the Ashkenazi's being some of the most 'pure', maybe 3000 years?
-China's civilization at a high level stretched for over 2000 years largely unbroken, and the korean peninsula and Japan are settled by Chinese from a cultural standpoint.
-Europe, being home of sophisticated civilizations for about the same length as China, but less real continuity between them
So there's the top 3, more or less.
Why not the middle east as a whole? Well, the 'civilized' genetic population was half-heartedly exterminated through the wars of muhammed and the arabs were, traditionally thoughout the hellenistic/persian era were little more than barbarian mercenaries, not really brought into civil society until they took over. Much of the fighting there today stems from the 7th century wars, really.
Egypt, while having older civilizations, have largely replaced that population they had too in a similar manner.
So, why the difference between black americans and black africans?
Same deal, when their descendants were brought here, they were incorporated into a modern civil society and were therefore selected to live in it, while their counterparts weren't for another few hundred years. That, and intermarriage.
The theory I propose is that stable societies with divisions of labor and specialization selects for intelligence. Any group that adopts it (or gets it imposed on them) will eventually select for more and more intelligent people.
That's not to say intelligence is #1 all the time, as you need a physically strong, agile, and brave person to fight it out in a hunter/gatherer existence, but you don't need too many philosophers or scientists in that culture, so they aren't selected for.
I think its a good theory, I'd love to be able to find more data for it, but the gods of the internet won't allow it, and I don't have time to go hunting in university libraries for these 'banned' works that aren't findable on the internet.
BTW, there's other reasons besides IQ as to why "the great separation" occurred in western societies and not the east, but the east and Israel (Jews) have been the ones to adopt it the fastest, which shows how the concepts of western civ aren't western at all but apply to any society that places high value on intelligence and merit.
So, are there gaping holes in my theory? Do you know the sneaky keywords to find this information I know is out there but I can't find? Am I just trolling? Are you just trolling?
Jokey end, but I am serious about my post. I will reiterate that I'd rather have the mods move to TP if y'all can't behave yourselves, so Imma gonna tag a few right now No way scooter2374 Grendel sorry
I know trying to have a conversation like this in the open may be the end of me, but I'm tired of chinese balloon shit
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