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California SB210 Compliance

M92PV4U said:
It looks like 13 and newer will be automatic? Or will not need to visit a inspection shop. Hopefully your guy is right though.

"Heavy-duty vehicle owners will be able to complete the required test and deliver the information remotely without having to travel to designated testing locations. For telematics users, an onboard diagnostics (OBD) inspection that draws emissions control performance data from the vehicle’s internal computer, an inspection can be completed automatically without taking the vehicle out of operation. OBD systems have been required by CARB on heavy-duty vehicles since 2013. Older heavy-duty vehicles without on-board diagnostic systems would continue the current opacity testing requirements with an added visual testing component, twice each year.

The Heavy-Duty Vehicle Inspection Program will continue to augment the new testing requirements with inspections and testing randomly carried out at border crossings, California Highway Patrol weigh stations, fleet facilities and randomly selected roadside locations."
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I don't care about the weather, bugs or pay. That shit is insane
 
arse_sidewards said:
Who's gonna register Irate Motor Pool LLC in Montana?

Wouldn't be hard for a lawyer to whip up some paperwork to the tune of "you only own the shit you put in and you're responsible for insuring your own shit". Add $5/yr to the reg and it would cover the operating costs.
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Using a LLC in Montana is not going to change anything. If you use it in California you have to pass the test.
 
So i just went to CARB website and signed up for CTC. Entered my vin and it showed my truck was non compliant. Clicked on it and it showed due to over due CTC fees.

Paid the $30 for last year and the $30 for this year. Now it shows compliant on the CARBS website. So i guess i will call tomorrow and see what the next step is.
 
They legit just emailed me a certification of compliance. So maybe that was all it was? For sure just another money grab if so.
 
7.3_6speed said:
So i just went to CARB website and signed up for CTC. Entered my vin and it showed my truck was non compliant. Clicked on it and it showed due to over due CTC fees.

Paid the $30 for last year and the $30 for this year. Now it shows compliant on the CARBS website. So i guess i will call tomorrow and see what the next step is.
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:lmao:

For $30 a year, you can save the environment too! :shaking:

Hate that shit
 
7.3_6speed said:
They legit just emailed me a certification of compliance. So maybe that was all it was? For sure just another money grab if so.
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give it 1-2 business days and then check back. I was able to go back to.dmv and get tags after.it updated. Had to do this on 3 trucks.

Bullshit money grab. Fuck newscum.
 
Provience said:
We need federal change to go back to not letting carb dictate epa policy

Fuck the epa
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I agree. Just one of the myriad of reasons we fled California. When we moved here to Idaho 3 years ago there were still smog tests in the Boise metro area, so we nixed moving there. Thankfully the state ditched them last year.
 
shortbus4x4 said:
No, I visited SoCal in the 1970s. Back in the mid 60s when CA started their clean air program and emission controls it was a very necessary thing.
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And the rest of the state? How much of that was cleaned due to changes that were going on as vehicles improved regardless?

I'll maintain it was a reactive and useless program from the start :flipoff2: you can maintain that the smokey Valley had poor air quality and carb is a Saint:flipoff2:
 
Provience said:
And the rest of the state? How much of that was cleaned due to changes that were going on as vehicles improved regardless?

I'll maintain it was a reactive and useless program from the start :flipoff2: you can maintain that the smokey Valley had poor air quality and carb is a Saint:flipoff2:
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There were other areas in CA too. And other areas of the country that didn't meet Federal clean air standards could either adopt CA or the Fed standards. The rust belt cities that adopted the CA standards were some of the first to clean up their air due to the older cars rusting away. And CA didn't make other states adopt their standards, that was the Feds that gave them the choice.

And CARB is not a saint. They've become largely redundant and no longer necessary with advances in technology but would those advances have happened as fast without CARB?

Personally I think CARB is just creating reasons for their existence with what they've been doing for the last few decades. And creating revenue generating streams for the state.
 
shortbus4x4 said:
There were other areas in CA too. And other areas of the country that didn't meet Federal clean air standards could either adopt CA or the Fed standards. The rust belt cities that adopted the CA standards were some of the first to clean up their air due to the older cars rusting away. And CA didn't make other states adopt their standards, that was the Feds that gave them the choice.
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You're giving cars too much credit for pollution. Unlike the desert shitholes those cities were highly industrialized. Driving industry out of the country did a lot to clean up the air.

shortbus4x4 said:
would those advances have happened as fast without CARB?
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Yes.

They would have been paid for by LA county instead of being paid for by the nation and the reward being mostly reaped by LA county.
 
arse_sidewards said:
You're giving cars too much credit for pollution. Unlike the desert shitholes those cities were highly industrialized. Driving industry out of the country did a lot to clean up the air.


Yes.

They would have been paid for by LA county instead of being paid for by the nation and the reward being mostly reaped by LA county.
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CARB just didn't regulate car emissions, it was industry too. And the air quality in SoCal cleaned up long before the current exodus of businesses from CA. And again, CA can't make any of the other states adopt their regulations. That is the other states and the Feds.
 
shortbus4x4 said:
CARB just didn't regulate car emissions, it was industry too. And the air quality in SoCal cleaned up long before the current exodus of businesses from CA. And again, CA can't make any of the other states adopt their regulations. That is the other states and the Feds.
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I basically agree with you. I first came to SoCal in May 1972 via I-15 southbound from the high desert. As soon as I dropped down into the L.A. Basin there was this filthy brown haze you good smell and taste. It was absolutely disgusting. The air quality now is much improved. If government hadn't stepped in it wouldn't have happened. With the new cars smog has been greatly reduced and like most government agencies it has outlived it's usefulness and should be abolished.
 
shortbus4x4 said:
There were other areas in CA too. And other areas of the country that didn't meet Federal clean air standards could either adopt CA or the Fed standards. The rust belt cities that adopted the CA standards were some of the first to clean up their air due to the older cars rusting away. And CA didn't make other states adopt their standards, that was the Feds that gave them the choice.

And CARB is not a saint. They've become largely redundant and no longer necessary with advances in technology but would those advances have happened as fast without CARB?

Personally I think CARB is just creating reasons for their existence with what they've been doing for the last few decades. And creating revenue generating streams for the state.
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I do think it would have cleaned up automotive wise regardless of carb.

I just don't care for carb, that's all :flipoff2: now, then or ever. I also dislike the feds that adopt and follow Carb and the states that choose to virtue signal and follow along
 
SanDiegoCJ said:
I basically agree with you. I first came to SoCal in May 1972 via I-15 southbound from the high desert. As soon as I dropped down into the L.A. Basin there was this filthy brown haze you good smell and taste. It was absolutely disgusting. The air quality now is much improved. If government hadn't stepped in it wouldn't have happened. With the new cars smog has been greatly reduced and like most government agencies it has outlived it's usefulness and should be abolished.
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Bull shit.

Any efi engine is cleaner than any smog retarded 70/80s engine
 
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