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Buggy Build Rear Steer Stupidity Check

TanTJJim said:
I called those the hundred dollar days because everyday it was another $100 in some random crap I needed from the parts store.

It was a love/hate relationship because you knew you were getting close but damn, it was $100 every freaking day!
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Nothing worse than when it's $100 in a bag this size: (hopefully less dorky than the stock photo)

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RTH said:
can't get much better review than haines...

of course he's mentioning 6.17s but if it's good enough for Jesse's standards then why the hell not.

if i recall correctly ness still runs them in his twisted rig. back when allot of s&n rigs ran these deeper ratios as well. it's all nothing new at all.
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Garrett still has 7.17s I think. It gets run decently.
 
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Sounds like its not as rare in the buggy world as I thought. Any thoughts on running a stock D300 in that scenario? Sounds like Jessie thinks its ok, so it must be ok, or ticking time bomb? One of my goals with a new drivetrain is to be able to do front digs. Obviously I can always upgrade later if need be, but it would suck to be broken on the trail.
 
Ghetto Fab. said:
Sounds like it’s not as rare in the buggy world as I thought. Any thoughts on running a stock D300 in that scenario? Sounds like Jessie thinks it’s ok, so it must be ok, or ticking time bomb? One of my goals with a new drivetrain is to be able to do front digs. Obviously I can always upgrade later if need be, but it would suck to be broken on the trail.
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I think you’re fine if you keep it light and deep diff gears. My wife’s car has sidekick doubler to bone stock 300. The 300 has held up amazing. It’s has 6.20s in the diffs.

S&N cars ran them back in the day with good results. Most of their platforms were 4.3, th350, stock 300, 6.17s or 7.17s. The last 300 I broke was out of an early S&N car that has a tough life. I am replacing the case and gear set and switching from 5.13s to 6.17s. Lots of guys run them in portal cars as well.
 
Ghetto Fab. said:
Sounds like its not as rare in the buggy world as I thought. Any thoughts on running a stock D300 in that scenario? Sounds like Jessie thinks its ok, so it must be ok, or ticking time bomb? One of my goals with a new drivetrain is to be able to do front digs. Obviously I can always upgrade later if need be, but it would suck to be broken on the trail.
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Depends on driver. Another buddy in Lusk as a Twisted Car with a stock D300 for years and broke 1 u joint. And it's been through the paces.

Have to just know when you binding up and what you can and can't do. Front dig reverse probably not a good plan.

Another local buddy has broke his but that was due to mounts in one case. Hit bottom hard enough to move the skid and crossmember and split it open.
 
Ghetto Fab. said:
Sounds like its not as rare in the buggy world as I thought. Any thoughts on running a stock D300 in that scenario? Sounds like Jessie thinks its ok, so it must be ok, or ticking time bomb? One of my goals with a new drivetrain is to be able to do front digs. Obviously I can always upgrade later if need be, but it would suck to be broken on the trail.
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My biggest scare with a D300 is the 26spl front output. Sure, you can do a 32spl rear output, and you can do a 4:1 kit too but at that point you're almost in atlas territory with a significantly weaker case.

Can you do it? Sure, but if you can squeeze that budget an atlas makes so much more sense. Plus it opens up options to go driver drop in the front and get rid of that time bomb front lp D60.
 
TanTJJim said:
My biggest scare with a D300 is the 26spl front output. Sure, you can do a 32spl rear output, and you can do a 4:1 kit too but at that point you're almost in atlas territory with a significantly weaker case.

Can you do it? Sure, but if you can squeeze that budget an atlas makes so much more sense. Plus it opens up options to go driver drop in the front and get rid of that time bomb front lp D60.
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Yeah, that is the counter argument to that idea. I already have 5.13 gears in the axles. Instead of regearing I could put the gear money towards a t-case situation. I like Atlas cases, but an ecobox 205 seems cheaper and possibly beefier with more gear ratios to play with. I'd have to spend probably another $1k to get there though, and it starts to open that pandoras box of "what ifs and might as wells" that drive prices into the unobtanium region.
 
Ghetto Fab. said:
Yeah, that is the counter argument to that idea. I already have 5.13 gears in the axles. Instead of regearing I could put the gear money towards a t-case situation. I like Atlas cases, but an ecobox 205 seems cheaper and possibly beefier with more gear ratios to play with. I'd have to spend probably another $1k to get there though, and it starts to open that pandoras box of "what ifs and might as wells" that drive prices into the unobtanium region.
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I hear you, the decisions of where to put your money when you're on a budget but still have strong enough parts is a tough one.

Everytime I think I have it figured out I run across a guy with a Suzuki drivetrain, D300 with a doubler, and dodge unit bearing D60s front and rear that he built for less than $20k and schools everyone. He never breaks either!
 
TanTJJim said:
I hear you, the decisions of where to put your money when you're on a budget but still have strong enough parts is a tough one.

Everytime I think I have it figured out I run across a guy with a Suzuki drivetrain, D300 with a doubler, and dodge unit bearing D60s front and rear that he built for less than $20k and schools everyone. He never breaks either!
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That’s because Adamwende is a ninja
 
Anybody run an HP70 front from a Kodiak as a rear steer? 5.13's from the factory with 5.38's available. Will the HP70 gears hold up in a rear application?
 
Ghetto Fab. said:
Yeah, that is the counter argument to that idea. I already have 5.13 gears in the axles. Instead of regearing I could put the gear money towards a t-case situation. I like Atlas cases, but an ecobox 205 seems cheaper and possibly beefier with more gear ratios to play with. I'd have to spend probably another $1k to get there though, and it starts to open that pandoras box of "what ifs and might as wells" that drive prices into the unobtanium region.
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and i have the magnum/205 and 5.13, if i had to do it again i would seriously consider the atlas with 4.3 or 5 to one. one main reason is weight. and the size of the freaking 205. omg huge. and if you want to do front digs. a 205 is hit and miss from what i can see. some people can get it no issues, others its bound up just enough to not shift.

the extra gears are pretty cool but all i use is 205 in low front and rear to go to the trail heads, and once at the trail heads i engage the doubler making it 5to1. i dont use the 2.72 as my low because i have to shift the 205 front and rear into high.... then when i get to where i need the 5 to one i have to shift both of them into low.

my vote after all this would be keep d300 and just move to 6 something axle gears. and wait for the atlas, you may not even need drive shafts because they are so close to the same size. :beer:
 
chaplinfj60 said:
the extra gears are pretty cool but all i use is 205 in low front and rear to go to the trail heads, and once at the trail heads i engage the doubler making it 5to1. i dont use the 2.72 as my low because i have to shift the 205 front and rear into high.... then when i get to where i need the 5 to one i have to shift both of them into low.
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Is this because the 205 is difficult to shift? In my experience that seems to be an issue with almost every t-case, even an atlas.
 
205 does not have the rep for shifting. almost have to have the stars align. with a manual i have heard its much easier because you have a clutch and can rock into place. i always though the atlas shifted way better, but absolutely zero experience with a atlas.

my biggest issue with my 205 is my shift levers dont have the proper leverage. i am way off. things i have learned since i built them.
 
Sorry to get off topic a bit, but people are saying the Atlas is a better case than the D300 and I'm left wondering what about something like a Behemoth with Lomax 4:1 gears and the option of the 32 spline input/output? Does that solve the issues with strength since it's smaller/lighter? Granted, that's more money than an Atlas....just curious as to if something built like that would be comparable strength wise.
 
chaplinfj60 said:
and i have the magnum/205 and 5.13, if i had to do it again i would seriously consider the atlas with 4.3 or 5 to one. one main reason is weight. and the size of the freaking 205. omg huge. and if you want to do front digs. a 205 is hit and miss from what i can see. some people can get it no issues, others its bound up just enough to not shift.

the extra gears are pretty cool but all i use is 205 in low front and rear to go to the trail heads, and once at the trail heads i engage the doubler making it 5to1. i dont use the 2.72 as my low because i have to shift the 205 front and rear into high.... then when i get to where i need the 5 to one i have to shift both of them into low.

my vote after all this would be keep d300 and just move to 6 something axle gears. and wait for the atlas, you may not even need drive shafts because they are so close to the same size. :beer:
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I dont feel like the atlas is all that much lighter unless you're counting every lb. I can wiegh mine, but I belive they're around 100 lbs.

I've seen atlas tcases be sticky to shift as well. I think you have to learn how to bump the gas, or whatever to get it to come out. Even my Toyota cases will do that when trying to grab 2 low.
 
It's not that much lighter. And it probably doesn't matter a ton. Can't believe I'm saying that. :laughing:

The 300 case isn't that great compared to an atlas/other. That's the issue with just upgrading gears in a 300. The case is still the next weak point. Or the weak point still.
 
Weasel said:
It's not that much lighter. And it probably doesn't matter a ton. Can't believe I'm saying that. :laughing:

The 300 case isn't that great compared to an atlas/other. That's the issue with just upgrading gears in a 300. The case is still the next weak point. Or the weak point still.
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The problem with the D300 is by the time you upgrade everything you could've just bought a Atlas to begin with cheaper.
 
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