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Source? Units? If thats on an annual basis it's not correct. The Keweenaw peninsula of michigan uses 10,000x+ more salt per year than Tulsa. We get two 1000' ore boats a year delivered.

dude just posts a map with no context.
Yeah, I mistook this for a rusty truck site instead of an environmental science site.
Here, let me google that for you.




Upper limits for road salt pollution in lakes​


Christopher T. Solomon, Hilary A. Dugan, William D. Hintz, Stuart E. Jones

First published: 25 July 2023

https://doi.org/10.1002/lol2.10339
Citations: 1

Abstract​


Widespread and increasing use of road deicing salt is a major driver of increasing lake chloride concentrations, which can negatively impact aquatic organisms and ecosystems. We used a simple model to explore the controls on road salt concentrations and predict equilibrium concentrations in lakes across the contiguous United States. The model suggests that equilibrium salt concentration depends on three quantities: salt application rate, road density, and runoff (precipitation minus evapotranspiration). High application combined with high road density leads to high equilibrium salt concentrations regardless of runoff. Yet if application can be held at current rates or reduced, concentrations in many lakes situated in lightly to moderately urbanized watersheds should equilibrate at levels below currently recommended thresholds. In particular, our model predicts that, given 2010–2015 road salt application rates, equilibrium chloride concentrations in the contiguous United States will exceed the current regulatory chronic exposure threshold of 230 mg L−1 in over 2000 lakes; will exceed 120 mg L−1 in over 9000 lakes; and will be below 120 mg L−1 in hundreds of thousands of lakes. Our analysis helps to contextualize current trends in road salt pollution of lakes, and suggests that stabilization of equilibrium chloride concentrations below thresholds designed to protect aquatic organisms should be an achievable goal.

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Most of the lakes and reservoirs (“lakes”) larger than 1 ha in the contiguous United States for which the model predicts high equilibrium road salt chloride concentrations, given reported 2010–2015 salt application rates, are in the Northeast and Midwest (Fig. 3). The road network is densely developed in many places within this region, and salt application rates are often high. Lakes larger than 1 ha with predicted equilibrium chloride concentrations in excess of the 230 mg Cl− L−1 threshold were most abundant in Illinois and Ohio, where they represented 9–10% of all lakes larger than 1 ha (Fig. 3b). Lakes with predicted concentrations above this threshold were also present in Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, where they represented < 0.1% to 1% of lakes larger than 1 ha, and in the District of Columbia, where they represented 17% of 12 lakes. Lakes with predicted equilibrium road salt chloride concentrations above the 120 mg Cl− L−1 threshold used as a water quality guideline in Canada were much more abundant: in Illinois and Ohio 23–28% of lakes had predicted concentrations above this threshold, and in several other states 1–7% of lakes were above this threshold (Fig. 3b). Across the contiguous United States, more than 9000 lakes (2%) were predicted to have equilibrium road salt chloride concentrations in excess of 120 mg Cl− L−1.
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MgCl− L−1 is a unit of concentration for chloride ions in a solution

Explanation
Magnesium chloride (MgCl2) is a soluble ionic compound that produces two moles of chloride anions for every mole of salt that dissolves in water. For example, if the concentration of MgCl2(aq) is 0.25 mol⋅L−1, then [Cl−] = 0.50 mol⋅L−1.

Units
Concentration units are often presented as mass per volume, such as milligrams per liter (mg/L) or mg. L-1.

Magnesium chloride is an inorganic compound that is highly soluble in water. It has many practical uses, and is the primary precursor to magnesium metal. Hydrated magnesium chloride is the most readily available form.
 
Fuck everything about living in the rust belt and being into cars. :homer:

I think I would just lease, and consider it the cost of living there. Have the crawler or fun car or old bronco etc that basically goes into storage for the duration of winter and never sees daylight again until the salt is gone. Daily driver truck belongs to the dealership and gets swapped out every 2 years.
 
I think I would just lease, and consider it the cost of living there. Have the crawler or fun car or old bronco etc that basically goes into storage for the duration of winter and never sees daylight again until the salt is gone. Daily driver truck belongs to the dealership and gets swapped out every 2 years.
You'd have to do that or buy cars from the south or west every few years and sacrifice them to the salt gods.
 
You'd have to do that or buy cars from the south or west every few years and sacrifice them to the salt gods.
Lol its not that bad. But nothing stays "nice" if you drive it in the winter.

My 2011 F150 with only 114k miles is getting sad in the rockers left rear fender lip and cab corners... Oiled every year after I bought it in 2013.

My 2011 fusion with 168k miles has no outer rockers for the last 1/4 of them... Never oiled until I bought it in 20/21.

My ma's 2007 dodge charger floors and rockers gone... It's now a parts car. Oiled a couple times since she owned it.

My dad's 2006 Srt8 charger has holes all through the rockers hidden under the plastic. Never oiled.

My mother in laws 2012 is the most rotten vehicle ive seen lately... Has Litterally zero rockers... Park brake cables just dangle... (it was never oiled before.)

But don't need rockers... As long as the pinch weld is still intact it's safe according to the mechanic... Haha.

So yep shit sucks up here and I thought it was rich spending $44k cdn on my truck back in 2013...

My sis in law just bought a stupid 24 Rubicon 4xe was over $100k her trade in JL was only 4 years old they onky gave her $26k value. Financing on new rubi is $83k cdn. Guy at work with financing $97k for a Colorado AT4....


They both plan on driving em all winter...




Ill never spend more than $40k ever again on a vehicle. Fuck that shit. Especially if you plan on driving one in the winter.

I expect to get another 10 years at least out of my F150 but it won't have any rockers left. Or fender lips lol.
 
Lol its not that bad. But nothing stays "nice" if you drive it in the winter.

My 2011 F150 with only 114k miles is getting sad in the rockers left rear fender lip and cab corners... Oiled every year after I bought it in 2013.

My 2011 fusion with 168k miles has no outer rockers for the last 1/4 of them... Never oiled until I bought it in 20/21.

My ma's 2007 dodge charger floors and rockers gone... It's now a parts car. Oiled a couple times since she owned it.

My dad's 2006 Srt8 charger has holes all through the rockers hidden under the plastic. Never oiled.

My mother in laws 2012 is the most rotten vehicle ive seen lately... Has Litterally zero rockers... Park brake cables just dangle... (it was never oiled before.)

But don't need rockers... As long as the pinch weld is still intact it's safe according to the mechanic... Haha.

So yep shit sucks up here and I thought it was rich spending $44k cdn on my truck back in 2013...

My sis in law just bought a stupid 24 Rubicon 4xe was over $100k her trade in JL was only 4 years old they onky gave her $26k value. Financing on new rubi is $83k cdn. Guy at work with financing $97k for a Colorado AT4....


They both plan on driving em all winter...




Ill never spend more than $40k ever again on a vehicle. Fuck that shit. Especially if you plan on driving one in the winter.

I expect to get another 10 years at least out of my F150 but it won't have any rockers left. Or fender lips lol.
You won’t have a choice but to spend money on a new ride. New digital safeties are here in Onterrible. Annual safety checks are coming…
 
You'd have to do that or buy cars from the south or west every few years and sacrifice them to the salt gods.

Even doing that the used stuff from south or west is scratched up underneath so it rusts faster vs a new vehicle.

I hate rust.
 
At least a BMW can live in the snowbelt for 20 years before a rust bubble appears. Domestic garbage won't have rockers or fenders in 10 years. :shaking: Too bad the Germans don't make any real pickups though.

I have seen some bmws that looked OK from the top but were rotted out underneath.
 
Lol its not that bad. But nothing stays "nice" if you drive it in the winter.

My 2011 F150 with only 114k miles is getting sad in the rockers left rear fender lip and cab corners... Oiled every year after I bought it in 2013.

My 2011 fusion with 168k miles has no outer rockers for the last 1/4 of them... Never oiled until I bought it in 20/21.

My ma's 2007 dodge charger floors and rockers gone... It's now a parts car. Oiled a couple times since she owned it.

My dad's 2006 Srt8 charger has holes all through the rockers hidden under the plastic. Never oiled.

My mother in laws 2012 is the most rotten vehicle ive seen lately... Has Litterally zero rockers... Park brake cables just dangle... (it was never oiled before.)

But don't need rockers... As long as the pinch weld is still intact it's safe according to the mechanic... Haha.

So yep shit sucks up here and I thought it was rich spending $44k cdn on my truck back in 2013...

My sis in law just bought a stupid 24 Rubicon 4xe was over $100k her trade in JL was only 4 years old they onky gave her $26k value. Financing on new rubi is $83k cdn. Guy at work with financing $97k for a Colorado AT4....


They both plan on driving em all winter...




Ill never spend more than $40k ever again on a vehicle. Fuck that shit. Especially if you plan on driving one in the winter.

I expect to get another 10 years at least out of my F150 but it won't have any rockers left. Or fender lips lol.



Meanwhile my fleet of 80s Toyotas don't have more than light minor surface rust. :lmao::flipoff2:
 
Crazy that 2015 is 10 years ago, anyway, them aluminum '15+ F150s still seem to look pretty good while the similar year GM and Dodge are well blown out.
 
don't those have a steel firewall and shit that rots out?
yep, Frames rot from the inside out, too.

I re-framed my 10 year old 90 with a galvanized one in 2005. Granted it was replaced because it got bent, but it needed rust repair. A new bulkhead and doors are in my future.


I’ve bought series trucks from the 60’s and 70’s that had frames completely rotted off and were only on the road for 7-10 years.

Son of a guy I work with had an early teens F150 break in the middle when it was put on a lift.

Just happen to be in a restaurant and this Chevy with no rockers is outside the window. This is in the middle of NY with the orange dots of salt on the map.
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At least a BMW can live in the snowbelt for 20 years before a rust bubble appears. Domestic garbage won't have rockers or fenders in 10 years. :shaking: Too bad the Germans don't make any real pickups though.

That's funny, we see them rotted to hell too just a bit less frequently. There's just less of them on the road. They don't fair any better if they are drivers. I'm not even in the worst of the rust belt being in eastern PA.
 
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(ridiculous fake Canadian accent) "No big deal eh. You buy the truck, 10 years later you sweep it oat into the yard and give it back to the land. Nothing to complain aboat."


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A”boot”

Get the accent right… fuckin eh
 
They don't fair any better if they are drivers. I'm not even in the worst of the rust belt being in eastern PA.

The subframes can surely get crusty, but I 100% disagree on the body structure. Maybe they use stronger stuff on the roads elsewhere, but here in upstate NY you simply won't find a 2014 BMW with half the rockers and fenders missing. Plenty of people drive them year-round.
 
You won’t have a choice but to spend money on a new ride. New digital safeties are here in Onterrible. Annual safety checks are coming…
The digital safeties is bad enough, if all the shops had of said fuck you to the government it wouldnt have went through, shops don't even make more than $20 on a safety.

I've heard bi-annuals are coming and it will cripple Ontario's economy, as it will put 1/3 to 1/2 the personal vehicles off the road.

Doug fold wouldn't be that fucking stupid. (or would he... He's a fucking moron.)
 
The digital safeties is bad enough, if all the shops had of said fuck you to the government it wouldnt have went through, shops don't even make more than $20 on a safety.

I've heard bi-annuals are coming and it will cripple Ontario's economy, as it will put 1/3 to 1/2 the personal vehicles off the road.

Doug fold wouldn't be that fucking stupid. (or would he... He's a fucking moron.)
He will absolutely push it through and I want rust repair payments from the government due to the rust cancer corrosive shit they spray on our roads that killed my TJ but that ain’t going to happen.

At least it doesn’t snow too bad in tobacco country where you are these past four years
 
He will absolutely push it through and I want rust repair payments from the government due to the rust cancer corrosive shit they spray on our roads that killed my TJ but that ain’t going to happen.

At least it doesn’t snow too bad in tobacco country where you are these past four years
Problem is the salt is always on the roads regardless if it snows or not. Everytime is below zero they dump shit tons of brine and salt. Especially in that shit city of Hamilton I work in lol.
 
Problem is the salt is always on the roads regardless if it snows or not. Everytime is below zero they dump shit tons of brine and salt. Especially in that shit city of Hamilton I work in lol.
Gotta keep the GTA new Canadians safe… running around with bald as fuck tires on a clapped out Hyundai or Honda that had a blind safety done by the brother of the brothers uncle
 
Just did some napkin math after Winchested’s comment on spending more than 40k on a vehicle.

Current vehicle is 25% of the cost to purchase our home 🤮
 
Just did some napkin math after Winchested’s comment on spending more than 40k on a vehicle.

Current vehicle is 25% of the cost to purchase our home 🤮
Dude I only spent $173k back in 2008 for my house... A $100k jeep or Colorado would be more than half my home and then I'd throw it away in 15 years lol...

But if you go on today's value of houses... Avg price across Canada is $675k.... Oh and our after tax income is on par with the poorest state of Louisiana.... Figure that out... Average Canadian owes 1.7-1.8$ for every $ earned...
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I can't afford to drive something expensive. I put 30-35k km (20k miles) per year commuting to work. It would be retarded to buy a new vehicle and just rack up highway miles. I'll stick to $5k beaters.


Back to our rusty programming!
 
I'll have to get some pictures of my new daily 04' gx470 with 160k. i checked the "normal" frame rust spot, but missed the fact the drivers rear corner is almost imaginary :homer:

I've got some welding to do, planning on getting a couple years out of it. but damn I shoulda brought a better light when i looked at it / crawled around more.


in comparison: my 200k mile 06' civic doesn't have a spot of rust anywhere other than surface on some fasteners. I've driven it at least 5 winters now, it never got washed till the spring. eventually it's moving down to MD to my buddy, it'll probably never see snow again
 
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