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Oil hole

  • It kills the planet but it’s ok because it’s convenient

    Votes: 4 5.6%

  • Oil exist in the ground and it’s natural occurrence makes this acceptable

    Votes: 17 23.6%

  • It’s all good. You put in a material to act as a filter.

    Votes: 8 11.1%

  • No… just no

    Votes: 39 54.2%

  • Bacon is the absolute stupidest option and was only funny one day back in 2002 and needs to die

    Votes: 13 18.1%

  • Water and oil don’t mix… it’s all a scam

    Votes: 7 9.7%
  • Total voters
    72
71PA_Highboy said:
Not trolling.

it assumes a non-closed system or counts on the 'I will be dead before it matters' thought process. The planet is a closed system.

think of it this way - Take a cup of water... add a single grain of salt. No taste because it is dilute.

Keep adding salt. eventually you are gonna taste it, and if you keep adding you will eventually make it undrinkable.

The same with a lot of these theories. Dilution works if you can replace the recipient of the pollutant. Where are you gonna get more air? where are you gonna get more dirt? Eventually it will have diluted to the limit of our ability to cope. Another example if nuclear steam releases... we can measure them thousands of miles off... Harmful? Not really, but we haven't done a lot. If we keep venting it will make a difference ( Pre-nuclear steel anyone?)

Long after you and I are dead it will matter. tomorrow, not so much.
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They make more air every day, which is why I said it's interesting when people cry about ground consolidation yet are happy to burn it.

It also may never matter

Problem is, it isn't a closed system.
 
Thatg9659 said:
Boil off the water and it will burn too.

Most chain parts stores will take it. if they won’t, just tell them it’s oil and don’t let them watch you pour it in their oil tank.
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If I'm going that far I'm taking the oil with and it's all getting mixed.

Yeah it's just some of that new 0w8 don't worry about it
 
Thatg9659 said:
Nature seems to do something with everything.
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Modern water treatment for mist city water supplies is real good at cleaning stuff up. It's almost a wonder they have standards at all for what goes in there. Almost like the laws are a holdover from a bygone era and just used for tax collection and control these days
 
Provience said:
Modern water treatment for mist city water supplies is real good at cleaning stuff up. It's almost a wonder they have standards at all for what goes in there. Almost like the laws are a holdover from a bygone era and just used for tax collection and control these days
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toured a water treatment plant in school, they had some story about a new manager that came in and saw how all the rocks in this one section were so dirty. He took it upon himself to scrub them. It was algae and what not growing on the rocks that actually had a purpose in part to cleaning the water.
 
Thatg9659 said:
toured a water treatment plant in school, they had some story about a new manager that came in and saw how all the rocks in this one section were so dirty. He took it upon himself to scrub them. It was algae and what not growing on the rocks that actually had a purpose in part to cleaning the water.
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All the advancement is on the ability to test and detect. Nothing real fancy going on, does a good job of cleaning all kinds of everything up
 
Provience said:
Modern water treatment for mist city water supplies is real good at cleaning stuff up. It's almost a wonder they have standards at all for what goes in there. Almost like the laws are a holdover from a bygone era and just used for tax collection and control these days
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Just don't add pfas to that equation.
 
71PA_Highboy said:
There too.

No new air is created in either place.
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No, but the air here on earth is cleaned and.....contaminates are isolated by nature and pushed into the ground and into the water...even the rocks move and recycle themselves. It's just not a closed system
 
baldduck1974 said:
Grand dad retired from Jefferson proving grounds in Jefferaon county Indiana, only Tobacco he smoked or chewed he grew it at home. Died from lung cancer not to long after retirement. His barn us kids played in was covered in asbestos.
Guy bought parts of the proving grounds hoping to turn a profit, everything in the buildings was lined with asbestos

Concrete supplier here paid years of money to be able to use hazerdous waiste to fire off their kiln. They used coal for 100 years before that
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I believe Mike Rowe did a dirty jobs episode here locally, and ended up at the concrete plate stuffing those recycled tires into the furnace :laughing:
 
Thatg9659 said:
toured a water treatment plant in school, they had some story about a new manager that came in and saw how all the rocks in this one section were so dirty. He took it upon himself to scrub them. It was algae and what not growing on the rocks that actually had a purpose in part to cleaning the water.
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In the petrochemical industry they are very protective of their “bugs”
 
on a different note, I am in the middle of building a oil injection for the old wood stove this winter

so, it that better or worse?
Recycling, no?
 
bgaidan said:
Just don't add pfas to that equation.
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Which comes back to a dilution thing again.

And, frankly, what are forever plastics going to do? Get all hung up in the people that consume then, and be returned to the earth and buried or burned upon death.....so...still don't care
 
Provience said:
No, but the air here on earth is cleaned and.....contaminates are isolated by nature and pushed into the ground and into the water...even the rocks move and recycle themselves. It's just not a closed system
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Closed systems are those with no 'net new' inputs. This planet is a closed system.

Sunlight can add a variable here, but the system is still closed.
 
71PA_Highboy said:
Closed systems are those with no 'net new' inputs. This planet is a closed system.

Sunlight can add a variable here, but the system is still closed.
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Which is why I disagree that this is closed loop. The earth, the sun, celestial objects, there is all sorts of inputs.

If we want to pretend it is closed, the closed volume is so massive that dilution is the solution and not a concern.

So pick a scale I guess, just don't fear monger like a climatologist by cherry picking the worst of both and saying it's the only thing
 
Depends. I would be stupid to dump my oil. That’s my wellhead, I can see water in it.

40 acres of flat shit ground? Who cares as long as no water sources.

There’s really no reason to dump it when it’s free to dispose everywhere. My dump takes 15 gallons of whatever at a time. Leaves and coolant and oil mixed in a bucket? “Gimme your address, I’ll unload it for you, stay in your car.”
 
Thatg9659 said:
Boil off the water and it will burn too.

Most chain parts stores will take it. if they won’t, just tell them it’s oil and don’t let them watch you pour it in their oil tank.
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they can hear that shit! I kid you not, as soon as the sound changes from dense slow and into watery, they run up and stop me. Trained ears.
 
Provience said:
Which is why I disagree that this is closed loop. The earth, the sun, celestial objects, there is all sorts of inputs.

If we want to pretend it is closed, the closed volume is so massive that dilution is the solution and not a concern.

So pick a scale I guess, just don't fear monger like a climatologist by cherry picking the worst of both and saying it's the only thing
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same for you. I clearly stated it wouldn't matter in our lifetime (now with a caveat - Nuclear winter should it occur).

Every input matters, how long it takes is the question - and that will get shorter the more you try to 'dilute'.

As mentioned - what is your theory on PFAS?
 
71PA_Highboy said:
same for you. I clearly stated it wouldn't matter in our lifetime (now with a caveat - Nuclear winter should it occur).

Every input matters, how long it takes is the question - and that will get shorter the more you try to 'dilute'.

As mentioned - what is your theory on PFAS?
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No, I'm stating it doesn't matter at all.

If we pretend closed, then we can pretend it will dilute forever

If we acknowledge it isn't closed, then we can say that there may be a limit to what is acceptable dilution at a given period, but it will also correct as well.

Pfas will end up in the ground, the ground will bury and re bury itself. I'm curious to see how pfas deal with the pressure of the core, they'll get there eventually or get broken down and turned into something else with enough heat and pressure.
 
71PA_Highboy said:
same for you. I clearly stated it wouldn't matter in our lifetime (now with a caveat - Nuclear winter should it occur).

Every input matters, how long it takes is the question - and that will get shorter the more you try to 'dilute'.

As mentioned - what is your theory on PFAS?
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so what's your non-dilution solution?

I just can't see a world without industrial output.
 
fordguy said:
not once in my life have they taken it. Always when they start dumping into the tank, as soon as they hit water or coolant, they stop pouring and give it back to me. This has been a hard no no as long as I remember, but it is CA so

This last time I brought oil in a gallon water jug, and had to fight for them to take it. Not an approved oil container they said. I told them theyre dumping it in a tank anyway and the jug is clear and they can see its oil, but they almost didnt take it. California fuckery probably
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You've earned every bit of that stupidity for living in CA.

I can walk in to any of my local parts stores with a 5 gallon bucket in each hand and they just point to the back where the used oil tank is. Safety Kleen picks it up from all the stores here and none of them GAF what goes in the tank. Same for the landfill. I dumped about 10 gallons of chunky thick oil that if emptied out of sever smudge pot runs. Had to bypass their little funnel filter a couple times, but eventually got it all in their tank. :laughing:
 
fordguy said:
they can hear that shit! I kid you not, as soon as the sound changes from dense slow and into watery, they run up and stop me. Trained ears.
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at our recycleing station, the attendant, if you want to call them that. A kid surfing tick toc never gets up and offers any assistance at all
By the time they look up, I would have every 5gal bucked that I owned upside down simultaneously and by the time they say you can't, well I did:grinpimp:
then I go home

now I don't bother because they make it impossible to try to do the right thing, so it will be going up the chimney
 
The old man out at the farm has been pouring used motor oil along the fence lines to keep the weeds down for 50 years. His dad did it for at least 50 before that. His grandfather did too. Weeds grow taller by the fence than anywhere else. There are 2 wells on the property, zero issues with water quality.
 
Vodka, whiskey, and rum, poured it out beside the well.

For a good taste in the well water one day.


Provience said:
What do people do with vodka when they quit drinking :confused:
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