5.13 gears for sterling 10.5???

['84 Bronco II]

not going to happen because not enough people are abusing them in offroad vehicles, can anyone post pics of a hardcore rig with a ford elocker that hasnt broken it?

So where are these failed units at that people keep mentioning? I don't care if it was in a crawler or not.

 

[rockyota83]

So where are these failed units at that people keep mentioning? I don't care if it was in a crawler or not.

who keeps mentioning failed units besides one person that questioned their strength?

i dont care about broken units, id like to see units being used hard

 

[rockyota83]

kinda hard to determine their strength when no one is abusing them anyone claiming theyre weak and anyone claiming theyre not weak are basing it off what? that theyve been on street trucks for 10 years? anyone run one at KOH? anyone know anyone running one in a buggy or trailer queen that beats on it?

 

[arse_sidewards]

kinda hard to determine their strength when no one is abusing them anyone claiming theyre weak and anyone claiming theyre not weak are basing it off what? that theyve been on street trucks for 10 years? anyone run one at KOH? anyone know anyone running one in a buggy or trailer queen that beats on it?

Plenty of diesel guys doing all sorts of stupid things to them without anything special happening. Sure the tires aren't as big but the input torque and available traction make up for that.

 

['84 Bronco II]

who keeps mentioning failed units besides one person that questioned their strength?

i dont care about broken units, id like to see units being used hard

Plenty of diesel guys doing all sorts of stupid things to them without anything special happening. Sure the tires aren't as big but the input torque and available traction make up for that.

This is not the only thread on here where people have jumped in claiming that the factory locker wasn't very strong or up to hardcore off road use. I don't personally know of anyone running one in their crawler or trail rig, but there are certainly lots of guys beating on them in diesel trucks (sled pulls, at the drag strip, pulling trailers off paved roads etc.) and I haven't heard of issues except on this forum. I can't personally vouch for their strength, but given the OEM application, I would suspect they are fairly stout. If that is not the case, I would like to hear what applications/situations they are failing in and perhaps see some actual evidence that people are breaking them. <$500 for a selectable locker that doesn't require an air source seems very attractive. If I ever get around to using my Superduty axles in something, I'll probably install one and I'll let you guys know how it holds up

 

[arse_sidewards]

This is not the only thread on here where people have jumped in claiming that the factory locker wasn't very strong or up to hardcore off road use. I don't personally know of anyone running one in their crawler or trail rig, but there are certainly lots of guys beating on them in diesel trucks (sled pulls, at the drag strip, pulling trailers off paved roads etc.) and I haven't heard of issues except on this forum. I can't personally vouch for their strength, but given the OEM application, I would suspect they are fairly stout. If that is not the case, I would like to hear what applications/situations they are failing in and perhaps see some actual evidence that people are breaking them. <$500 for a selectable locker that doesn't require an air source seems very attractive. If I ever get around to using my Superduty axles in something, I'll probably install one and I'll let you guys know how it holds up

Exactly.

The way I read the situation is that the people who spend $1k on an ARB will parrot anything if it validated their decision. You see this behavior a lot with whatever the Cool Hot Thing(TM) that everyone dumps big money into is. Nobody wants to think they got taken for a ride.

There are some things out there that are genuinely nice and there are some things out there that are genuinely shit but they tend to be well documented and analyzed.

 

[tac1]

I have setup a handful of 05-10 10.5 housings with 5.38 gears and the ford e-lockers. Here is what I have learned from mostly trial and error.

East Coast Gear Supply is very knowledgeable on the years and parts for the sterling 10.25" gears into the 10.5 housing if you want to run 5.13 or 5.38, I recommend calling them and telling them exact what you have and plan to do. When doing this combo I always need to add about .120" to the pinion depth stack to get close, then make small adjustments. Yukon actually makes a part for this.

This solid spacer works to get rid of the crush sleeve. It does not say it is for the 10.5" but works no modification.

The e-locker part number is BC3Z4026B I buy them from Lakeland Ford Online Parts, my local dealers prices are much higher even with shipping. I like to use the Ford bulkhead connectors. I'll put the parts numbers below. I make a little mount to weld on the housing.

On the voltage topic, I hooked one straight to a car battery on a charger for 72 hours, it initially drew just under 4 amps at the end of three days it was pretty warm to the touch (diff was dry) but drawing just over 4 amps and it has had no issues in 4 years of actual use.

On strength, I have not used one in hardcore crawler, I usually recommend the 14 bolt on those. Closest would be my friends xj on 40s but it is more of a dual purpose rig. No issues, but he has only had it out a handful of times.

 

['84 Bronco II]

I have setup a handful of 05-10 10.5 housings with 5.38 gears and the ford e-lockers. Here is what I have learned from mostly trial and error.

East Coast Gear Supply is very knowledgeable on the years and parts for the sterling 10.25" gears into the 10.5 housing is you want to run 5.13 or 5.38, I recommend calling them and telling them exact what you have and plan to do. When doing this combo I always need to add about .120" to the pinion depth stack to get close, then make small adjustments. Yukon actually makes a part for this.

This solid spacer works to get rid of the crush sleeve. It does not say it is for the 10.5" but works no modification.


The e-locker part number is BC3Z4026B I buy them from Lakeland Ford Online Parts, my local dealers prices are much higher even with shipping. I like to use the Ford bulkhead connectors. I'll put the parts numbers below. I make a little mount to weld on the housing.


On the voltage topic, I hooked one straight to a car battery on a charger for 72 hours, it initially drew just under 4 amps at the end of three days it was pretty warm to the touch (diff was dry) but drawing just over 4 amps and it has had no issues in 4 years of actual use.

On strength, I have not used one in hardcore crawler, I usually recommend the 14 bolt on those. Closest would be my friends xj on 40s but it is more of a dual purpose rig. No issues, but he has only had it out a handful of times.

Finally some real tech

Thanks for taking the time to post that!

 

[Rangerrod]

I have setup a handful of 05-10 10.5 housings with 5.38 gears and the ford e-lockers. Here is what I have learned from mostly trial and error.

East Coast Gear Supply is very knowledgeable on the years and parts for the sterling 10.25" gears into the 10.5 housing if you want to run 5.13 or 5.38, I recommend calling them and telling them exact what you have and plan to do. When doing this combo I always need to add about .120" to the pinion depth stack to get close, then make small adjustments. Yukon actually makes a part for this.

This solid spacer works to get rid of the crush sleeve. It does not say it is for the 10.5" but works no modification.

The e-locker part number is BC3Z4026B I buy them from Lakeland Ford Online Parts, my local dealers prices are much higher even with shipping. I like to use the Ford bulkhead connectors. I'll put the parts numbers below. I make a little mount to weld on the housing.

On the voltage topic, I hooked one straight to a car battery on a charger for 72 hours, it initially drew just under 4 amps at the end of three days it was pretty warm to the touch (diff was dry) but drawing just over 4 amps and it has had no issues in 4 years of actual use.

On strength, I have not used one in hardcore crawler, I usually recommend the 14 bolt on those. Closest would be my friends xj on 40s but it is more of a dual purpose rig. No issues, but he has only had it out a handful of times.

Great post. My only clarifying question were any of these in 2011 and up housings? Trying to clarify if the bearing pockets are different like stated before.

 

[tac1]

Great post. My only clarifying question were any of these in 2011 and up housings? Trying to clarify if the bearing pockets are different like stated before.

Yea all of that is likely no help for the original poster. I have only used 05-10 housings. From looking at the 11+ pinion I don't see how anything pinion wise would interchange, it looks longer but I don't want to give bad info.

If someone has an 11+ to compare measurements I have an 08 housing I can tear down and measure..

 

[Rangerrod]

Yea all of that is likely no help for the original poster. I have only used 05-10 housings. From looking at the 11+ pinion I don't see how anything pinion wise would interchange, it looks longer but I don't want to give bad info.

If someone has an 11+ to compare measurements I have an 08 housing I can tear down and measure..

I have one on my trailer. We can pm and compare and post up our findings.

 

[CarolinaCrawler]

Really like the tab with the bulkhead through the housing. I always wanted to weld a tab like that through the cover and use the factory bulkhead like you did. I just think its clean.

 

[rockyota83]

Plenty of diesel guys doing all sorts of stupid things to them without anything special happening. Sure the tires aren't as big but the input torque and available traction make up for that.

This is not the only thread on here where people have jumped in claiming that the factory locker wasn't very strong or up to hardcore off road use. I don't personally know of anyone running one in their crawler or trail rig, but there are certainly lots of guys beating on them in diesel trucks (sled pulls, at the drag strip, pulling trailers off paved roads etc.) and I haven't heard of issues except on this forum. I can't personally vouch for their strength, but given the OEM application, I would suspect they are fairly stout. If that is not the case, I would like to hear what applications/situations they are failing in and perhaps see some actual evidence that people are breaking them. <$500 for a selectable locker that doesn't require an air source seems very attractive. If I ever get around to using my Superduty axles in something, I'll probably install one and I'll let you guys know how it holds up

i never claimed they were weak, i actually havent seen anyone claim they were weak. ive seen one guy question their strength because toyota factory e lockers and other various electric lockers are weak, and its a valid question. youre reacting as if a bunch of people are claiming theyre weak and hating on them, thats not happening. diesel guys running around with them is an indication theyre robust, still doesnt prove anything for our uses though. id love to see them actually being used in hardcore rigs, id give one a shot if the opportunity came up.

Exactly.

The way I read the situation is that the people who spend $1k on an ARB will parrot anything if it validated their decision. You see this behavior a lot with whatever the Cool Hot Thing(TM) that everyone dumps big money into is. Nobody wants to think they got taken for a ride.

There are some things out there that are genuinely nice and there are some things out there that are genuinely shit but they tend to be well documented and analyzed.

so the truth comes out, youre just a butt hurt ARB hater and have shit to offer besides "diesel guys are stupid"

 

[arse_sidewards]

i never claimed they were weak, i actually havent seen anyone claim they were weak. ive seen one guy question their strength because toyota factory e lockers and other various electric lockers are weak, and its a valid question. youre reacting as if a bunch of people are claiming theyre weak and hating on them, thats not happening. diesel guys running around with them is an indication theyre robust, still doesnt prove anything for our uses though. id love to see them actually being used in hardcore rigs, id give one a shot if the opportunity came up.


so the truth comes out, youre just a butt hurt ARB hater and have shit to offer besides "diesel guys are stupid"

We've been over this multiple times. I'm a fanboy hater. Everything is shit and anyone who says otherwise is a maroon.

And while it's not my thing I can appreciate the pulling truck stuff. They drive a decent amount of improvement in engine and drive-line building.

 

[pennsylvaniaboy]

Sooo bumping this back up....The adapters have held up. They stay tight....but in the effort of the ever eclipsing sport.....he is pondering a selctable locker.

He has the amazing steering that a super duty axle offers, but the rear drags vs follows since it is spooled. So he is deciding between ARB/compressor/tank for the 9"(which is 35 spline, yukon nod 3rd, and strange 35spl axles, shaved, trussed etc with 5x5.5to8x170 adapters)

this costs say $1500

or go sterling, with gears and ford elocker.... this route costs $1800-$2k and gains probably 100#


my gut is to go sterling to make things simpler....this allow for a stronger housing, less custom parts, and no adpaters. Plus the last 5 trips I have seen air lockers fail(ARB, OX, and Yukon)....

 

[F***roads]

I just installed the factory e locker in an 08 10.5 housing. Will live life in my SAS f150 that weighs right around 7k loaded up. Will see abuse. I'll update once it gets some miles on it. Will say they are fairly beefy units.

 

[pennsylvaniaboy]

^^^^ how did you do your bulkhead fitting etc?

 

[F***roads]

^^^^ how did you do your bulkhead fitting etc?

I kept it simple. I drilled a 3/8" hole on the side of the housing & used a grommet with some rtv to seal it up. Hopefully I don't regret that.

 

[Snowracer]

the pinion on the 11+ 10.50 is different then the older trucks and thats why you cant get 5.13-5.38 gears. as shown above its very easy and common you take the locker out and run in an older housing. know i guy running one in his Toy based buggy with 39-46 tall tires and zero issues with the locker in the last year, and he runs it hard

 

[rockyota83]

Sooo bumping this back up....The adapters have held up. They stay tight....but in the effort of the ever eclipsing sport.....he is pondering a selctable locker.

He has the amazing steering that a super duty axle offers, but the rear drags vs follows since it is spooled. So he is deciding between ARB/compressor/tank for the 9"(which is 35 spline, yukon nod 3rd, and strange 35spl axles, shaved, trussed etc with 5x5.5to8x170 adapters)

this costs say $1500

or go sterling, with gears and ford elocker.... this route costs $1800-$2k and gains probably 100#


my gut is to go sterling to make things simpler....this allow for a stronger housing, less custom parts, and no adpaters. Plus the last 5 trips I have seen air lockers fail(ARB, OX, and Yukon)....

ford 9" arb is weak, you have to fork out $2k for the competition model arb for the ford 9" so change that $1500 to $2500

 

[pennsylvaniaboy]

ford 9" arb is weak, you have to fork out $2k for the competition model arb for the ford 9" so change that $1500 to $2500

oh???

 

[Tech Tim]

<snip>ford 9" arb is weak<snip>

In what application?

 

[665.0coupe]

I just installed the factory e locker in an 08 10.5 housing. Will live life in my SAS f150 that weighs right around 7k loaded up. Will see abuse. I'll update once it gets some miles on it. Will say they are fairly beefy units.

Bringing this back from the dead....How has this held up?

 

[F***roads]

Bringing this back from the dead....How has this held up?

its been great thus far! had a solid 14 months of daily driving/weekend wheeling. no issues yet, no complaints at all. even the used gears are quiet. living life with 37"s truck is parked right now waiting for a new transmission.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Sooo bumping this back up....The adapters have held up. They stay tight....but in the effort of the ever eclipsing sport.....he is pondering a selctable locker.

He has the amazing steering that a super duty axle offers, but the rear drags vs follows since it is spooled. So he is deciding between ARB/compressor/tank for the 9"(which is 35 spline, yukon nod 3rd, and strange 35spl axles, shaved, trussed etc with 5x5.5to8x170 adapters)

this costs say $1500

or go sterling, with gears and ford elocker.... this route costs $1800-$2k and gains probably 100#


my gut is to go sterling to make things simpler....this allow for a stronger housing, less custom parts, and no adpaters. Plus the last 5 trips I have seen air lockers fail(ARB, OX, and Yukon)....

He'll also have a ~$1500 axle to sell, so the sterling is definitely the economical choice.

The sterling will not have as good of clearance, and be heavier, but it sounds like that not a big deal to him.

Can anyone comment on the speed of the Ford elocker? If he's using it to allow turning, it will be turned off and on a lot. If it is like most elockers and won't engage or disengage with a slight bind, it won't be much use to him. The arb is basically instant in and out.

Our F150 has the factory locker which I'm assuming is the same design. It does seem to lock quicker than my Toyota elocker, but I rarely use it and it's definitely not in any type of actual offroad stuff

 

[Big4x4ride]

On the 10.5 topic here, and hopefully I don't step on any toes asking, does anyone know the Timken P/N for pinion bearings/races when doing 5.38's in a 10.5? I have an 06 housing, and actually have every thing else for the install individually but not the pinion bearings. Are they just the regular 10.25 pinion bearings, or are they a bastard bearing of some sort?

 

[RunningProblem]

On the 10.5 topic here, and hopefully I don't step on any toes asking, does anyone know the Timken P/N for pinion bearings/races when doing 5.38's in a 10.5? I have an 06 housing, and actually have every thing else for the install individually but not the pinion bearings. Are they just the regular 10.25 pinion bearings, or are they a bastard bearing of some sort?

While not exactly helpful….i just put 5.13 thick cut long spline gears in my 10.25 and the pinion bearing was the same part number. This was from the USA standard gear install kit.
Also, oreilly auto parts lists an outer pinion bearing for a 10.5” gear as applicable for anything from the 80s through 2010.

Timken HM89443 Timken Pinion Bearings | Summit Racing

Free Shipping - Timken Pinion Bearings with qualifying orders of $99. Shop Pinion Bearings and Races at Summit Racing.

www.summitracing.com

 

[pennsylvaniaboy]

Well to add to this, I picked up an elocker axle for $200, Im building one out for a buggy build, Planning to shave the diff, lightweight brakes, etc. I guess Ill see how the e locker holds up

 

[RunningProblem]

Well to add to this, I picked up an elocker axle for $200, Im building one out for a buggy build, Planning to shave the diff, lightweight brakes, etc. I guess Ill see how the e locker holds up

I never knew people shaved a Sterling. They seem to have enough clearance with 40s compared to other one tons I never thought about it.

 

[gozuki]

I smoothed the bottom of mine, that's about it.