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#47 dropping tax on O.T.

start a business to compensate
With all that free time we’ve got right?
That's what I was just thinking too

Your business can take a loss for 3 out of 5 tax years before the IRS will start asking questions. And you don't have to make any significant profit in those other 2 years.

Think about anything you do for a hobby that you could make a little side money on. Now think about all the things you buy that are related to that hobby that could be written off.
 
Your business can take a loss for 3 out of 5 tax years before the IRS will start asking questions. And you don't have to make any significant profit in those other 2 years.

Think about anything you do for a hobby that you could make a little side money on. Now think about all the things you buy that are related to that hobby that could be written off.

So how do I make money those last two years while still being at work and on the road not having time to do much else?
 
FLAT INCOME TAX.

Kids, no kids, house, rent, idgaf. You get 14% held out (made up number) and no refunds, no deductions.
14% would put about $10K a year back in my pocket vs the current situation. Which would be welcome. I don’t think any administration is going to cut any tax burden that much. They are trillions in debt and are asking for more not less.
 
Am I the only person who thinks that hourly pay is idiotic and lazy?
That wouldn't work in my industry. I have no idea what time I'm getting off everyday. It's usually around the same time but sometimes stuff happens and I get out late. After I drop underground, I have about a 25 min drive to get to my unit. If a ride breaks down, I'm not waiting for another one without being paid. I'm damn sure not coming in on an idle Saturday to get caught up on maintenance without getting OT for it.

We have a certain quota were expected produce, and we get a production bonus for producing more.
 
Yes, because for those that don't understand how they're taxed, only the portion of the income in that higher tax bracket gets taxed at that rate, all the income below that gets taxed at the rate of the lower brackets.

I don't know why this myth still exists.
I would get taxed at almost 32 percent on my OT...fyi
 
14% would put about $10K a year back in my pocket vs the current situation. Which would be welcome. I don’t think any administration is going to cut any tax burden that much. They are trillions in debt and are asking for more not less.
There's a number somewhere around that which doesn't change the government's income. I remember years ago it was online calculated around 11%.

Obviously i want to change the government's income... but a flat personal income tax would be a nice start.
 
Eliminating tax on tips and overtime is more picking winners and losers. Income is income - don't like your income being taxed, work to get the income tax reduced across the board or eliminated. Why should my wage income be taxed any differently than yours because you earned it working overtime and I am an exempt employee? This type of crap, dividing and isolate groups at the the benefit and detriment of others is what has got us to this point. Time to demand it stop.

Rockota is right, too much opportunity for shenanigans and the unintended consequences of declaring wages tips or OT. Simplify the tax code, eliminate the BS, minimize the government's impact on your life and the depth they reach into your pockets.
 
That sounds really fawking dumb for a reactionary work load. You cannot “productivity” your way into less hours outside of a paper pushing gig. I have 78 internal combustion engine powered machines operating in the middle of nowhere that are my responsibility to keep running 24 hours a day 365 days a year. The company tasks me with 98% run time. The closest one to me is one hour away from my house the furthest is two hours away. It is a state law requirement that I see every single one of them every 7 days. If I’m lucky I only do 50 hours a week. So on a good week I have to see 1 1/2 locations an hour including travel time and fix any problems while I’m there. Parts fail, leaks develop, etc. My highest hour machine has over 140,000 hours on the original engine and my run time is 99% because of how hard I “productivity”.

The amount of hours it takes to navigate between locations changes by weather. The next location I need to go to isn’t linear because I have to respond to down units first every day, I can see run status on our automation system. Every 7th week I take a turn of being on call 24 hours a day for 7 days of 12 days in a row. Doing the hours is the job. If I walk into work next Monday (I’m on vacation this week) and find out I’m on salary for the same job scope. I’m quitting on the spot.

I'm not saying it makes sense for every occupation but it makes a lot more sense than straight hourly pay for most. If you think I was arguing for straight salary then you badly misread.
 
Laffer Curve.
No, he's talking about the flat rate that would result in .gov getting about the same revenue as it does under the current tax structure. The Laffer curve is about finding a tax rate that minimizes taxation while maximizing tax revenue. We may or may not currently be anywhere near the Laffer peak, I have no idea.
 
All of us. There are 9 other people in my position. We split 344 natural gas compressors and about that many pumping units. There are two runs worse than mine and those guys get more hours a week than I do. They do have two floaters to cover vacations and fill in. If nobody is on vacation they go work on the list of deferred corrective maintenance. Things that don’t affect run time but need fixing like main seals or cylinder heads with valve recession that’s getting bad.

I want less hours. If I could work 10 hours a day every day and go home I would gladly. I’m not here for the OT. The only defense I have against working more hours is by charging them for the actual hours I work. We might have a few clock milkers but every guy I know outside of work want less hours. We all want less hours. We just lost one of our best guys who quit solely because of the amount of time that’s inevitable. The company he took a job with is straight 40. He’ll make less money because of less hours and he’s stoked about it because that was the goal, less hours.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say majority of people commenting in this thread have no concept of what the oilfield is actually like. I’ve been in it since 2005 and I can’t remember a time in hitch that I’ve worked less than 80 hours/week. That’s even consulting or doing things similar to you keeping wells online. It’s all part of the deal and if you stay in it longer than 2 years there’s probably something wrong with your head. I’ll freely admit I’m not going anywhere because it’s my jam. The other side is we get a rotating schedule even though this year from April to September I only took 10 days off total, stacked some cash tho. Some people are built for it, some aren’t.
 
My excitement stems from me working in the earl field. If this goes through the way we've discussed around the water cooler it's be insane the difference in take home. I make more on ot than straight time by a large margin. I average 15 hr days 14 days in a row
 
I miss those oil field days. I remember getting snowed in on a pad in WY for 3 days, had something like 80+ hours of OT that week.:grinpimp:
 
Eliminating tax on tips and overtime is more picking winners and losers. Income is income - don't like your income being taxed, work to get the income tax reduced across the board or eliminated. Why should my wage income be taxed any differently than yours because you earned it working overtime and I am an exempt employee?
winner.

as much as I hate taxes, they are a necessary evil.
all need to pay, and weather income from regular time, OT or tips should be considered the same.

I am also a big fan of a flat tax.
no deductions, no tiers, just X% of what you make over a certain minimum, say 10K
 
Your business can take a loss for 3 out of 5 tax years before the IRS will start asking questions. And you don't have to make any significant profit in those other 2 years.

Think about anything you do for a hobby that you could make a little side money on. Now think about all the things you buy that are related to that hobby that could be written off.
at least one person understands how it works
 
You only have to make money on paper.
Talked to my tax guy about that and the way he explains it, it never seems to work out the way everyone thinks it does. Its not free money.

Your only writing off your purchases on your income. It does lower your taxable income, but that only lowers your taxes by a percentage. So that $5000 tool that you bought, really only saves you a few hundred dollars, and you still have to come up with the $5000 to buy it. Obviously if you've got a legit business that is making profits and subsequently getting taxed on it, then anything you can do to lessen those profits is welcome.

For your average guy in a home garage, you'd be better off working for cash and leave the government out of it.
 
winner.

as much as I hate taxes, they are a necessary evil.
all need to pay, and weather income from regular time, OT or tips should be considered the same.

I am also a big fan of a flat tax.
no deductions, no tiers, just X% of what you make over a certain minimum, say 10K
who is setting that certain minimum? where? 10K 15K 20K ??? total household income below 10K? NO income tax? welfare? food stamps?
 
who is setting that certain minimum? where? 10K 15K 20K ??? total household income below 10K? NO income tax? welfare? food stamps?
A flat tax is wildly regressive. A big personal deduction would help, obviously. It would need to be enough to cover basic expenses like food, clothing, rent/mortgage, reasonable transportation costs, etc. I don't think anybody should have to pay tax on money they need for basic shit. I consider that the same idea as business expenses. But even with a deduction big enough to cover that stuff, it's still very regressive. And of course, with something like a $25K deduction, a lot of people wouldn't pay any income tax, leaving the rest of us to pay a higher flat percentage on what we do pay tax on. Meanwhile, people making 1/2 a million or more per year barely even feel the tax hit. Ya know, regressive. And, if there's a personal deduction, then we're basically right back to where we are now. Tax returns and reporting and all the bullshit I hate most about the status quo. Might as well just leave it alone.

Also, income is income is income. Tax it all the same. I also think the long term capital gains tax is bullshit, clearly lobbied for for the benefit of rich people while fucking the regular folk.
 
It's income. Most states don't tax but some do.
Had no idea. Always assumed zero tax on it. Makes no sense for the gov to hand you a dollar and tax you 10 cents on it. Why not just hand over 90 cents instead?

Oh that's right. Too simple. Gotta make it stupid and employ more gov workers and put a bunch of steps in there so sticky fingers can pinch it along the way.
 
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