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#47 dropping tax on O.T.

JR4X said:
You cannot “productivity” your way into less hours outside of a paper pushing gig.................................. If I walk into work next Monday (I’m on vacation this week) and find out I’m on salary for the same job scope. I’m quitting on the spot.
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No shit! Different jobs obviously but 8 hour days just dont get much done in some lines of work.

Our normal days were something like this..

1/2 hour to figure out what the new plan is, and herd the cats.
1 to 1-1/2 hour drive to the job.
1/2 hour to get things checked out and warmed up.

Actually work

1 to 1-1/2 hours to fuel, grease, and repair whats needed. Toss in another hour or so if equipment needs moved.
1 to 1-1/2 hours back to the yard.
1/2-45 mins to get the truck refueled, stocked up an ready for tomorrow.
 
east_beast said:
Two posts above.
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You're looking at it through the lens of what you know and it would probably be ok in that field but it wouldn't fly across the board.

How do you incenentivise retail or rental agencies like crispins that are eb and flow industries that no amount of incentives to the workers can bring in more business? Gotta look at the BIG picture, not just what you see out of your cubicle.
 
JR4X said:
That sounds really fawking dumb for a reactionary work load. You cannot “productivity” your way into less hours outside of a paper pushing gig. I have 78 internal combustion engine powered machines operating in the middle of nowhere that are my responsibility to keep running 24 hours a day 365 days a year. The company tasks me with 98% run time. The closest one to me is one hour away from my house the furthest is two hours away. It is a state law requirement that I see every single one of them every 7 days. If I’m lucky I only do 50 hours a week. So on a good week I have to see 1 1/2 locations an hour including travel time and fix any problems while I’m there. Parts fail, leaks develop, etc. My highest hour machine has over 140,000 hours on the original engine and my run time is 99% because of how hard I “productivity”.

The amount of hours it takes to navigate between locations changes by weather. The next location I need to go to isn’t linear because I have to respond to down units first every day, I can see run status on our automation system. Every 7th week I take a turn of being on call 24 hours a day for 7 days of 12 days in a row. Doing the hours is the job. If I walk into work next Monday (I’m on vacation this week) and find out I’m on salary for the same job scope. I’m quitting on the spot.
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Does everyone on the team work like that or just you. If everyone it sounds like your boss is running right up against the ragged edge of shit crashing and burning.

What if you gotta take a week off on short notice? Where's he gonna find 50hr of coverage for your area (assuming everyone else on the team is working comparable hours)? Bad management IMO. What if two dudes on the team get shit-canned in the same day?
 
Motorcharge said:
Wasn't COVID that changed it, it was Obamacare. Big corps used to cut you off at 39 hours to avoid paying benefits, now they'll cut you off at 31 so the effectively took a shift from part time employees when they passed that bullshit.
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And the same idiots who say jobs won't disappear and prices won't go up if you raise min wage said that wouldn't happen. We should've put a bullet in those people.
 
DWT said:
You're looking at it through the lens of what you know and it would probably be ok in that field but it wouldn't fly across the board.

How do you incenentivise retail or rental agencies like crispins that are eb and flow industries that no amount of incentives to the workers can bring in more business? Gotta look at the BIG picture, not just what you see out of your cubicle.
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It's not that hard. You just have to not be lazy about it. What do you ideally want to get out of your employees? How do you build an incentive structure around it? If you're not willing to put in the effort to figure it out then enjoy the revolving door and being one of those folks bitching all the time about not being able to find and keep good help. A lot of businesses are every bit as lazy on being creative about recruiting and retaining good employees as the shitty help they are able to hire is about working. If you constantly find yourself wishing you could get better employees and keep the decent ones you luck into then put in the effort to solve the problem.

There's a lot of shitty workers bitching about not being able to find a better job and a lot of shitty employers bitching about not being able to find better employees and they all need to take a good hard look in the mirror to find the real problem they face.
 
SanDiegoCJ said:
Yup, and if the Rs introduce it the Ds will automatically vote against it.
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As of today:

(R) 214 and (D) 203 in the house, with 18 still yet to be called. (R) majority in the house is likely.
(R) 53 and (D) 46 in the Senate, with one race yet to be called. (R) majority in the Senate.

All they need is to get on the same page and everything they want to pass will come to fruition, provided the (D)'s don't mount a successful filibuster.
 
DRTDEVL said:
As of today:

(R) 214 and (D) 203 in the house, with 18 still yet to be called. (R) majority in the house is likely.
(R) 53 and (D) 46 in the Senate, with one race yet to be called. (R) majority in the Senate.

All they need is to get on the same page and everything they want to pass will come to fruition, provided the (D)'s don't mount a successful filibuster.
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Wasn't it not too long ago the Ds were wanting to end the filibuster?:homer:
 
arse_sidewards said:
Does everyone on the team work like that or just you. If everyone it sounds like your boss is running right up against the ragged edge of shit crashing and burning.

What if you gotta take a week off on short notice? Where's he gonna find 50hr of coverage for your area (assuming everyone else on the team is working comparable hours)? Bad management IMO. What if two dudes on the team get shit-canned in the same day?
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All of us. There are 9 other people in my position. We split 344 natural gas compressors and about that many pumping units. There are two runs worse than mine and those guys get more hours a week than I do. They do have two floaters to cover vacations and fill in. If nobody is on vacation they go work on the list of deferred corrective maintenance. Things that don’t affect run time but need fixing like main seals or cylinder heads with valve recession that’s getting bad.

I want less hours. If I could work 10 hours a day every day and go home I would gladly. I’m not here for the OT. The only defense I have against working more hours is by charging them for the actual hours I work. We might have a few clock milkers but every guy I know outside of work want less hours. We all want less hours. We just lost one of our best guys who quit solely because of the amount of time that’s inevitable. The company he took a job with is straight 40. He’ll make less money because of less hours and he’s stoked about it because that was the goal, less hours.
 
I'm just happy that discussions about eliminating portions or the entirety of the income tax is being put out into the mainstream.

I have no idea what they will pay the interest on the debt with as that's what the income tax is used for, but we will see I guess.
 
Roc Doc said:
Unless you're getting bumped into another tax bracket, it doesn't make any difference. OT is not taxed differently than regular income.

Are you getting a tax refund each year?
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Have to ask her. It was putting her in the next up tax bracket. Not sure with her current employment.

Last tax season was the first the she ever had to pay in.
 
JR4X said:
That sounds really fawking dumb for a reactionary work load. You cannot “productivity” your way into less hours outside of a paper pushing gig. I have 78 internal combustion engine powered machines operating in the middle of nowhere that are my responsibility to keep running 24 hours a day 365 days a year. The company tasks me with 98% run time. The closest one to me is one hour away from my house the furthest is two hours away. It is a state law requirement that I see every single one of them every 7 days. If I’m lucky I only do 50 hours a week. So on a good week I have to see 1 1/2 locations an hour including travel time and fix any problems while I’m there. Parts fail, leaks develop, etc. My highest hour machine has over 140,000 hours on the original engine and my run time is 99% because of how hard I “productivity”.

The amount of hours it takes to navigate between locations changes by weather. The next location I need to go to isn’t linear because I have to respond to down units first every day, I can see run status on our automation system. Every 7th week I take a turn of being on call 24 hours a day for 7 days of 12 days in a row. Doing the hours is the job. If I walk into work next Monday (I’m on vacation this week) and find out I’m on salary for the same job scope. I’m quitting on the spot.
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Exactly. Some jobs require overtime no matter how productive you are during your initial 8 hours.
 
CrustyJeep said:
Even if it bumps you to the next tax bracket, it makes very little difference.
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Yes, because for those that don't understand how they're taxed, only the portion of the income in that higher tax bracket gets taxed at that rate, all the income below that gets taxed at the rate of the lower brackets.

I don't know why this myth still exists.
 
Roc Doc said:
Unless you're getting bumped into another tax bracket, it doesn't make any difference. OT is not taxed differently than regular income.

Are you getting a tax refund each year?
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It goes based upon the projected earnings if you made that week's pay every week... therefore if you make $1k on straight time and another $1k on OT, you are taxed as if you have an annual income of $104k, not $52k. As close as I can get to it without being overly complex:

40 hours @ $25 = $1k gross
Net pay = $841.65 (roughly 15.84% withheld for income tax and FICA)

40 @ 25 = $1,000 + 26.5 * $37.50 = $1,993.75 gross
Net Pay = $1559.51 (roughly 21.71% withheld)

Bump that pay up to $35, and...
40 @ $35 = $1400 gross
Net Pay $1,141.80 (18.4% withheld)
Add 26.5 OT = $2,791.25 Net, $2,109 gross (24.4% withheld)

The withholdings grow exponentially.

Roc Doc said:
Yes, because for those that don't understand how they're taxed, only the portion of the income in that higher tax bracket gets taxed at that rate, all the income below that gets taxed at the rate of the lower brackets.

I don't know why this myth still exists.
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Its no myth, just a misunderstanding. It still increases the amount withheld until the end of the year greater than proportionally required.
 
Roc Doc said:
Yes, because for those that don't understand how they're taxed, only the portion of the income in that higher tax bracket gets taxed at that rate, all the income below that gets taxed at the rate of the lower brackets.

I don't know why this myth still exists.
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Exactly.

I wouldn't have guessed you were unaware how it actually works, but your post raised questions lol
 
DRTDEVL said:
Its no myth, just a misunderstanding. It still increases the amount withheld until the end of the year greater than proportionally required.
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Why wouldn't they project based upon the actually tax brackets expected to be in play? It's not like the math is that hard.

Anyway, it only matters if you're living paycheck to paycheck.
 
CrustyJeep said:
Why wouldn't they project based upon the actually tax brackets expected to be in play? It's not like the math is that hard.

Anyway, it only matters if you're living paycheck to paycheck.
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They should project based upon a running average, not a rare occurrence.

And it only matters if you dislike giving out free loans.
 
DRTDEVL said:
It goes based upon the projected earnings if you made that week's pay every week... therefore if you make $1k on straight time and another $1k on OT, you are taxed as if you have an annual income of $104k, not $52k. As close as I can get to it without being overly complex:

40 hours @ $25 = $1k gross
Net pay = $841.65 (roughly 15.84% withheld for income tax and FICA)

40 @ 25 = $1,000 + 26.5 * $37.50 = $1,993.75 gross
Net Pay = $1559.51 (roughly 21.71% withheld)

Bump that pay up to $35, and...
40 @ $35 = $1400 gross
Net Pay $1,141.80 (18.4% withheld)
Add 26.5 OT = $2,791.25 Net, $2,109 gross (24.4% withheld)

The withholdings grow exponentially.


Its no myth, just a misunderstanding. It still increases the amount withheld until the end of the year greater than proportionally required.
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I understand that. It's incumbent on the employee to manage their tax deductions. Most are too lazy to do that properly.
 
CrustyJeep said:
Why wouldn't they project based upon the actually tax brackets expected to be in play? It's not like the math is that hard.

Anyway, it only matters if you're living paycheck to paycheck.
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It only matters because any personal income tax should be a flat rate and the federal government should all go die in a fire.


Also, there's the psychological aspects of being all "wow, I made fucking $2400!!.... oh wait... its $1500, nevermind". Yes, you're gonna get it back, but in the meantime it generates the whole 'go die in a fire' feelings.
 
45acp said:
It only matters because any personal income tax should be a flat rate and the federal government should all go die in a fire.


Also, there's the psychological aspects of being all "wow, I made fucking $2400!!.... oh wait... its $1500, nevermind". Yes, you're gonna get it back, but in the meantime it generates the whole 'go die in a fire' feelings.
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And I don’t get any back. Single, no deductions. I pay a year in total taxes what a full time minimum wage earner grosses a year.

40% of my income comes from overtime.
 
JR4X said:
And I don’t get any back. Single, no deductions. I pay a year in total taxes what a full time minimum wage earner grosses a year.

40% of my income comes from overtime.
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Same. We both make good money and other than the house, we have no deductions. It's disgusting how much we pay in and don't get back. :mad3:
 
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