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Aisin said:
Derek Chauvin is 5’9” and weighs 153 pounds. George Floyd was 6’6” and weighed 242 pounds.
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To be accurate, you need to add all of the heights and weights of all of the officers involved.... trying to making it mano a mano is disingenuous at best
 
grumpy356 said:
He wasn't 153 as he was there. Even IF he was 153 , (Which looking at the pics, he was't) with the vest, belt, and gear on, you can add..... 25 lb???? to that number.

(Here is a secrete, my ID says I weigh 160, and I probably did at one point, but I am not 160 now)
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I’d say that’s pretty accurate. I’m 5’9” and 174 pounds. Derek looks slightly thinner than I am. Around 20 pounds I’d say.
 
grumpy356 said:
It's not done in MANY, MANY police departments. It's not done in Houston and we are probably in the top 5 departments in size in the country, because it's dangerous.

Nobody gives a fuck where it isn't done. It was in that town at the time, dozens of times in just that year alone. That is what matters.

AND the departments where it is used, NO ONE, and I mean not a single department will you find in the manual where is is a technique to be used for 10 minutes.

And you also will not find in the manual as to what amount of time is appropriate. Just like a manual will not say how many times to shoot somebody but that isn't illegal either.

DO I know how much pressure was used? It can be figured. He wasl what 225-250 lbs with all the gear? You can watch the video and watch the back foot.

Really? C'mon man!! I can angle my back foot any which way and offer differing amounts of pressure. Face it. NOBODY knows for sure except that person doing it and receiving it

It was typical cop pride. He had bystanders telling him the guy couldn't breath, and he didn't want to lose face to the crowd.

Totally and completely agree. Go find the original thread and i said the exact same thing. That doesn't equate to murder however.

And the officer should be able to tell if the guy has become limp and un-responsive.,

I don't give a fuck about the rapist Fentanyl Floyd, I'm glad he's dead (although I wish it was from a overdose on the street, not national news) BUT FUCK THAT COP. He shows to be a piece of shit and not cut out for that line of work, and I hope he get's serious prion time. His action caused national riots and resulted in the deaths of many people and the destruction of many peoples livelihoods

It is a fucking shame that the media and politicians have been able to take your statement here and make it a forgone fact now. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Nope, all those people that rioted and destroyed caused their actions. Not some lone cop. Hands up, don't shoot brother!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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I agree that the guy will not, nor probably should, be a LEO again. Murder is a far away bridge from that however. Anyone who looks at that and couples it with agreed upon consent from police manual is fucking stupid who thinks a murder happened there. A lesser charge, lets talk. 1st degrees murder? GTFOH
 
Paragon said:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=knee+on+neck+hold&t=hc&va=o&ia=web
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So you posted a link to numerous pages in which police agencies are dropping that tactic? So what? Of course they are. It was political fire to not do so after this.

Seems that many departments used it at the time.

Can you show how many deaths there were from drugged, heart problem suspects vs. drugged up, heart failure, rona suspects?

Let me know ok cupcake?
 
dntsdad said:
a) following a procedure that is done daily around the country

Nobody gives a fuck where it isn't done. It was in that town at the time, dozens of times in just that year alone. That is what matters.
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You made the case it was done around the country and now you are saying it doesn't matter that it's not???

Choke holds were banned By LA in the 80's . Houston in the 80's or 90's, New York in the 90's. And those are the biggest departments in the country and they predated this event by decades.

dntsdad said:
And you also will not find in the manual as to what amount of time is appropriate. Just like a manual will not say how many times to shoot somebody but that isn't illegal either.
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I bet you do, and if it doesn't say "X minutes" it says "Temporary restraint" or another term referring to a short time, and in no context of a choke hold is 9 minutes temporary or short time.
 
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dntsdad said:
So you posted a link to numerous pages in which police agencies are dropping that tactic? So what? Of course they are. It was political fire to not do so after this.

Seems that many departments used it at the time.

Can you show how many deaths there were from drugged, heart problem suspects vs. drugged up, heart failure, rona suspects?

Let me know ok cupcake?
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Can you suck my dick, cupcake
 
grumpy356 said:
You made the case it was done around the country and now you are saying it doesn't matter that it's not???

Choke holds were banned By LA in the 80's . Houston in the 80's or 90's, New York in the 90's. And those are the biggest departments in the country and they predated this event by decades.


I bet you do, and if it doesn't say "X minutes" it says "Temporary restraint" or another term referring to a short time, and in no context of a choke hold is 9 minutes temporary or short time.
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It was banned by numerous agencies because in the early 2000’s deaths of in custody subjects showed that the most were in the same situation here, prone, face down with bodies on the torso and neck

bureau of prisons were first to eliminate it’s use on a wide scale basis due to fatalities

the reasons for the bans? Knuckledraggers like chauvin don’t allow respiratory recovery
 
Well fuck, I guess since New York has banned large sodas, I here in California better go dump my Jack and Pepsi. :homer:

Surely, both of you dipshits follow all the gun laws from other states....like say New York or California???

I don't even know that a slimy defense lawyer could make the case that this was not legal because it has been outlawed in other jurisdictions when it was an approved tactic in the department he worked in. LOL Used dozens of times in that calendar year up until May alone. You two ding dongs should stop sniffing each others buttholes, pull your heads out, and realize that policies in one place do not necessarily apply everywhere. WTF
 
grumpy356 said:
You made the case it was done around the country and now you are saying it doesn't matter that it's not???



Choke holds were banned By LA in the 80's . Houston in the 80's or 90's, New York in the 90's. And those are the biggest departments in the country and they predated this event by decades.


I bet you do, and if it doesn't say "X minutes" it says "Temporary restraint" or another term referring to a short time, and in no context of a choke hold is 9 minutes temporary or short time.
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It fucking was done around the country!! Why the fuck do you think that there is article and after article about mayors and police chiefs stating that they would not be doing it ANYMORE after this incident?

It was SOP in the very department that this happened!

Why is this so hard to understand? No cop in MPD gives a fuck what they do in Houston, LA, or NYC.
 
Paragon said:
It was banned by numerous agencies because in the early 2000’s deaths of in custody subjects showed that the most were in the same situation here, prone, face down with bodies on the torso and neck, high as fuck

bureau of prisons were first to eliminate it’s use on a wide scale basis due to fatalities

the reasons for the bans? Knuckledraggers like chauvin don’t allow respiratory recovery
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Fixed. cause they cant be a victim if they are at fault:flipoff2:
 
Live Updates: Minneapolis police chief testifies Chauvin's actions "not part of our training"





Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo took the stand Monday in the trial of Derek Chauvin, the fired police officer charged in George Floyd's death. He testified Chauvin's actions violated Minneapolis police policy.

Arradondo testified there was an "initial reasonableness in trying to just get [Floyd] under control" in the first few seconds of the encounter. But when Floyd had stopped resisting and "clearly when Mr. Floyd was no longer responsive and even motionless, to continue to apply that level of force to a person prone out, hands cuffed behind their back, that in no way, shape or form is anything that is by policy," Arradondo said. "It's not part of our training and it's certainly not part of our ethics or values."

Arradondo said Chauvin's restraint should have stopped once Floyd stopped resisting, and "certainly once he was in distress and trying to verbalize that, [Chauvin] should have stopped."

Earlier, under questioning by prosecutor Steve Schleicher, Arradondo emphasized that the department values treating others with dignity and respect. When asked to explain the department's goal of "serving with compassion," Arradondo said: "It means to understand and authentically accept that we see our neighbors as ourselves."

"We value one another," he said. "We see our community as necessary for our existence."

Arradondo was also asked to describe the department's approach to de-escalation, which he said is about "time, options and resources so we can stabilize a situation safely and peacefully." He read from the department's de-escalation policy, which requires officers to seek to minimize the use of physical force. Of Chauvin's restraint against Floyd, he said, "That action is not de-escalation."

"When we talk about the framework of our sanctity of life [policy] and talk about principles that we have, that action goes contrary to what we're talking about," he said.

Testimony resumed for a second week Monday morning with testimony from an emergency doctor who tried to save Floyd's life.

Two other members of the department took the stand last week and criticized Chauvin's use of force. Chauvin's supervising sergeant said force should have ended as soon as Floyd stopped resisting, and the high-ranking lieutenant who heads the homicide unit called Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck "totally unnecessary" and "just uncalled for."

Chauvin, who was seen in disturbing videos kneeling on Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes, is charged with second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. He has pleaded not guilty.
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:rolleyes:
 
Does anyone really think that these politicians/officers (leadership) are not just covering the departments ass, and their own.

44 fucking people passed out from this exact same tactic. They never stopped it.

Total CYA mode

not one of them give a shit about George Floyd
 
midwestzj said:
Cop was negligent to an extent contributing to his death.
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Has the expert testified yet?

I'll wait to hear the question:
"Was this a walking dead man from the drugs?"
-Yes.
"Did the actions of the cop, in any way, add to his death?"
-No.
"So if the cop merely waived hello to the man, the man would still have died?"
-Yes.

If that happens, you still hold your position on this?
 
It is very doubtful that any "expert witness" can sway anyone at this point

If you have seem the videos, that really is enough.

Anyone on that stand had an agenda because their side wouldn't call them up if they didn't
 
grumpy356 said:
And the officer should be able to tell if the guy has become limp and un-responsive
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Totally agree. Anyone's that spent time brawling in life, or even on a mat, knows instantly the moment someone is out.
This guy must have known he was out and should have adjusted.
Another thing that bugs me is he can't really claim he was worried because he was so nonchalant about the way he had his hands on his hips as he did it.

Yeah, cop bugs me a lot. But, that means nothing for the trial since it all comes down to the true cause of death and if the expert says the knee didn't add to it, that's that.
 
dntsdad said:
It is very doubtful that any "expert witness" can sway anyone at this point
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I watched the Zimmerman trial.

It was case closed as soon as the guy testified, the guy that literally wrote the book on pathology that all the med students study from right now.
He said the blows to his head were life threatening. Boom. Not guilty.

So put the same guy up on the stand and what he says should go.


Oh, and take note of the chief's testimony today: ""certainly once he was in distress and trying to verbalize that, [Chauvin] should have stopped."

You hear that, criminals? All you gotta do is verbalize your distress and the cops have to stop. You got the chief's words right there. "I can't breahe" the moment they try to cuff you and they have to fuck off and you can run away. Jackpot! :rolleyes:
 
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I'm convinced that the reason Chauvin did not remove his knee from the neck of Floyd is because he had half a dozen people shouting at him to do so. No way in hell he was taking orders from civilians. Some witnesses report him grinding his knee in further when they were yelling at him. I don't doubt it for a second.
 
zlathim said:
I'm convinced that the reason Chauvin did not remove his knee from the neck of Floyd is because he had half a dozen people shouting at him to do so. No way in hell he was taking orders from civilians. Some witnesses report him grinding his knee in further when they were yelling at him. I don't doubt it for a second.
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For sure pride and ego played a MAJOR role.
 
Yota Up said:
Has the expert testified yet?

I'll wait to hear the question:
"Was this a walking dead man from the drugs?"
-Yes.
"Did the actions of the cop, in any way, add to his death?"
-No.
"So if the cop merely waived hello to the man, the man would still have died?"
-Yes.

If that happens, you still hold your position on this?
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i mean, i can shoot you today and you'll be dead. you can also die tomorrow from your own actions. does this mean its acceptable for me to shoot you today?
 
midwestzj said:
i mean, i can shoot you today and you'll be dead. you can also die tomorrow from your own actions. does this mean its acceptable for me to shoot you today?
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What does that have to do with an junky that overdosed on drugs that make him combative, have a panic attack, and die? Can you not breeve?
 
Imo...the cop is a piece of shit and no doubt has the "I am the law" attitude many of them have and I hope he gets his just reward.

However Floyd was a piece of shit also and I shead no tear for him getting his reward.

As for the chimp out, I hope someone leaves some special packages around for them to receive the rewards they deserve also.
 
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