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typed out a long detailed replied but my phone died

basically

some of you are idiots who blame a service provider instead of the state, testing agencies, and individuals themselves

swift has a much more thorough and proper trwining peogram than most schools yet they still have a **** reputation. mind you their training is like 8k or more, so if thags still not good enough, then people need to fork over real big money


besides

idiots will be idiots regardless of training, nothing you can do, some people just shouldnt touch a truck
 
Steve300xcw said:
How much extra would it cost to tell somebody to pull lever to whoa up trailer? :laughing:
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It’s got to be there though to pull though that’s the point.

I’ve trained 70-100ish guys for local heavy haul stuff over the years, I’m no longer amazed when I get an OTR who can’t back up and can’t drive in snow. Hell, some refuse to drive in the snow because “safety” and asking some guys to throw chains is like telling them you ****ed their wife
 
oh and the dummies against immigrants guess who your next drivers are? guys with 7 DUIs, guys in drug rehab, you name it

V30crewcab said:
if they shouldn't touch a truck, stop passing them. fail is a thing.
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^^^ here is a perfect example of assumptions

WE dont pass them, state DMV does. If they pass a test, they pass a test. They can not fail someone just because the examiner doesnt want that person to drive. And chances are, eventually, even if that person sucks, they will pass.

Did you know what happened when the fail ratios were above some thresh hold and states / applicants / trucking companies complained that the test is too hard and creates a shortage of new drivers? Federal government changed the test, simplified it, took a bunch of **** out. Happened 4 years ago.

In California, state dmv conducts the test most od the time, unless.you are fedex, swift, big carrier etc. In other states, you can get an examiners license to conduct the test, on your OWN students. Did the schools make that up? No, state and federal government did. Conflict of interest? Fraud? Well yeah, wtf dis you think will happen if you allow that

Disappointing to see people refuse to open their eyes and see where the actual issues lies, but this is no differenr than general pop wanting to hang doctors in medievel ages jusf because they dont understand.

Next lets blame the CA examiners who follow the testing criteria and are forced to pass people. Because they should risk their jobs and fail based in their gut and intuition, and not what guidelines were supplies by the 20 levels above them. And all bodyshops start using only OEM parts. And doctors should quit prescribing BS meds and operate for free. And lets all buy unicorns too.

Going to have to start buying plane tickets and slapping the stupid out of people. Steve300 can go first
 
V30crewcab said:
if they shouldn't touch a truck, stop passing them. fail is a thing.
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Not for the large corporations like swift who need drivers. There’s companies out there who have trainers with less than a years experience. They’ve basically got them running team but as trainer/trainee
 
BigBurt said:
It’s got to be there though to pull though that’s the point.

I’ve trained 70-100ish guys for local heavy haul stuff over the years, I’m no longer amazed when I get an OTR who can’t back up and can’t drive in snow. Hell, some refuse to drive in the snow because “safety” and asking some guys to throw chains is like telling them you ****ed their wife
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did you individually get paid for doing this, or did you do it all for free?

because every minute, and every mile, needs to be paid by someone. Its how the world goes. if I get paid for 30 minutes and 3 miles, I am not working 3 hours and 30 miles and nobody here would either
 
fordguy said:
**** you dip****

custimer pays 60 dollars for an oil change, he gets cheap dyno oil and cjeap filter. he pays 120, he gets fully synthetic and OEM filter

schmucks like you are the ones that get surprised why a bunch of **** that YOU didnt want to pay for didnt get taught to you


FWIW tho we are trying to get government funded applicants (ex cons, rehab, etc). Those we will be billing 2x the amount, and you bet, they will be getting the complete package, including alley dock, night driving, etc. **** self paying cheap **********ers like yourself, I rather bill 2x and teach the full package. But business is business, I have to feed my family too.

you get what you pay for, moron. when people pay up the full amount, they get the full package. or you want 120 hours of behind the wheel training with fuel 8.50/gallon, employee salaries of 30/hour, and a tuition fee of under 3k?

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That's a piss poor comparison. You are being paid to train somebody how to safely operate a commercial vehicle, but instead you chose the path of least resistance and only train them to pass a test. On flat land.

You don't teach them how to use the Johnny bar because they won't be asked to use it on their examination, plain and simple. You probably don't even teach them the proper way to descend a grade, how to control a pending jackknife, how to slide tandems to balance a load, or the proper use of the Jake brake. You are turning out steering wheel holders, not professional drivers, just like every other CDL Mill out there.

Folks, if you really want to get a CDL and know what you're doing when you graduate, find your local community college that offers the training. It's not going to be done in a couple weeks, and you will essentially pay a semester's worth of tuition for a semester's worth of learning... These are the guys and gals who come into the industry today with an actual functional knowledge of how to safely operate the vehicle, not those going to for-profit CDL Mills.
 
BigBurt said:
Not for the large corporations like swift who need drivers. There’s companies out there who have trainers with less than a years experience. They’ve basically got them running team but as trainer/trainee
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you do understand that swift drivers, in terms of schooling, actually get a LOT more than most cdl schools, right?

problem is, the GUYS that go there are often deadbeats who cant save a couple grand to get a cdl on their own.

If you cant save a little money for a driving course, you probably are not a responsible bright individual who makes good choices. thats where the issues lies
 
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fordguy said:
oh and the dummies against immigrants guess who your next drivers are? guys with 7 DUIs, guys in drug rehab, you name it



^^^ here is a perfect example of assumptions

WE dont pass them, state DMV does. If they pass a test, they pass a test. They can not fail someone just because the examiner doesnt want that person to drive. And chances are, eventually, even if that person sucks, they will pass.

Did you know what happened when the fail ratios were above some thresh hold and states / applicants / trucking companies complained that the test is too hard and creates a shortage of new drivers? Federal government changed the test, simplified it, took a bunch of **** out. Happened 4 years ago.

In California, state dmv conducts the test most od the time, unless.you are fedex, swift, big carrier etc. In other states, you can get an examiners license to conduct the test, on your OWN students. Did the schools make that up? No, state and federal government did. Conflict of interest? Fraud? Well yeah, wtf dis you think will happen if you allow that

Disappointing to see people refuse to open their eyes and see where the actual issues lies, but this is no differenr than general pop wanting to hang doctors in medievel ages jusf because they dont understand.

Next lets blame the CA examiners who follow the testing criteria and are forced to pass people. Because they should risk their jobs and fail based in their gut and intuition, and not what guidelines were supplies by the 20 levels above them. And all bodyshops start using only OEM parts. And doctors should quit prescribing BS meds and operate for free. And lets all buy unicorns too.

Going to have to start buying plane tickets and slapping the stupid out of people. Steve300 can go first
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Yep all of that is true over here too. I chose to be way less involved bc of the directions things are going
 
DRTDEVL said:
That's a piss poor comparison.
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you are way way wrong

I assume youre in trucking? if a customer pays you for a 30 mile haul, and a 30 mile haul is all thats legaply required,.would you haul it 300 miles for free just because its the better way to go?

Community college, I agree, trying to go that route too, but again, you are uninformed

1. college programs still go through a school, at least here, but school gets paid the bigger money, at least 2x what private schools cost
2. you think those teach everything proper? 😂😂😂😂 Ive been to six DMVs and see the students who go through these programs. A lot of then struggle just the same during the exam, they are not some driving experts who will become OTR gods. You think they teach you ti strap loads and out chains on? Man you must be high ir something.
3. Guess who employees at those schools are? 10 year OTR drivers? wrong answer. Usually, same folks that trained there.
4. You think 120/160 hour programs mean 120/160 actual hours behind the steering wheel? wrong

Lot lot lot of assumptions going on. I cant speak for other states, but CA is actually stricter on CDL test and issuance than most states.

Honestly a lot of you expect them to be trained on the level of airline pilots.

Evergthing you want to cram into a new driver will A. take a LOT more ****ing hours that anyone will pay for
B. New drivers are new drivers, half the material disappears from their head after a week. You know how many guys cant even do an airbrake test after a couple weeks?


Fun fact: anyone on here with a CDL, I would bet 100 dollars that if I get with you and check you on everything, you would 100% fail the actual test. Hell, Id be surprised if anyone wouls even pass the airbrakes and pretrip (airbrakes needs 100% axxuracy or a fail). I met a lot of you "been driving my whole life" guys and all of them needed a lot of work to pass the actual test again

It is what it is. Theyre not airline pilots, wont be airline pilots, will never be trained like airline pilots, because nobody will ever pay for it. No college or school within a 100 mile radius uses a 53' trailer, not even 160 truck driving academy which has like 100+ locations.

I dont like stupid drivers, but legally I cant just refuse to train people, even the ones I think are idiots. I need to feed my family just like everyone else does, but I try to do the most I can while still running any type of profit. When fmcsa made the test easier, I was the first one talking **** to the dmv and predicting this decline in driver quality. But I am just small fish.
 
BigBurt said:
Yep all of that is true over here too. I chose to be way less involved bc of the directions things are going
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yeah but if it was either train how they tell you or the unemployment line and no food in your table, decision becomes pretty clear
 
Gbkeith said:
As if Pedro and Ivan wouldn’t have 7 DUIs if drunk driving was illegal where they came from.
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Lot of Vodemyrs and Andreis were truckers back home or in Europe, repairing trucks in snow and all sort of **** that I somehow doubt dirtdvl or others on here would even bother doing while in the middle of a load and would just call for a tow.

Gotta give credit where credit is due, good driver is a good driver, and with 1900 names in my contact list, I probably I know a thing or two
 
***RD said:
Ivan killed a bunch of motorcyclists up here a few years back. Had a bunch of drugs in his system.
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link? random google shows different stuff, like when this moto goes into coming traffic and hit the semi, not truckers fault
 

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fordguy said:
link? random google shows different stuff, like when this moto goes into coming traffic and hit the semi, not truckers fault
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www.nbcboston.com

Motorcycle Crash Horror: What We Know About the Wreck That Killed 7 Bikers in NH a Week Later

One of the deadliest crashes in New Hampshire history has left a community of motorcyclists in mourning and a slew of unanswered questions as outrage simmers over why the driver of a truck, now charged with negligent homicide, was allowed behind the wheel. Seven people, many of them Marine...
www.nbcboston.com www.nbcboston.com
 
***RD said:
Ivan killed a bunch of motorcyclists up here a few years back. Had a bunch of drugs in his system.
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Didn't he have his license revoked in CT like a month before that for OUI?

Yup

Zhukovskyy’s commercial driving license should have been revoked in Massachusetts at the time of the crash because of a drunken driving arrest in Connecticut about two months earlier.
 
small note some are missing

"Just before 6:30 p.m. on Friday evening, June 21, Zhukovskyy's Dodge pickup truck was towing a flatbed trailer as it traveled"

FYI, most pickup guys do NOT have CDLs, thats why they do pickups, so this was not a semi truck crash.

fair is fair tho, throw the book at him
 
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fordguy said:
small note some are missing

"Just before 6:30 p.m. on Friday evening, June 21, Zhukovskyy's Dodge pickup truck was towing a flatbed trailer as it traveled"

FYI, most pickup guys do NOT have CDLs, thats why they do pickups, so this was not a semi truck crash.

fair is fair tho, throw the book at him
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Keep reading. He held a CDL, had prior CDL and drug use issues. He admitted to taking heroine, fentenyl, and coke the day of the accident.

Was found not guilty. Ordered to be deported back to Ukraine, but because of the war, the good boy gets to stay.
 
It was a simple question, do you tell your students what the little lever is for. Instead you went a rant about the state not paying enough. You can't tell the students what all the buttons and levers do unless the state pays for it?
 
bradp674 said:
It was a simple question, do you tell your students what the little lever is for. Instead you went a rant about the state not paying enough. You can't tell the students what all the buttons and levers do unless the state pays for it?
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1. some trucks dont have them
2. there are 10,000 if things that need to be told, but most will forget everything
3. state pays enough, its the guys paying for it themselves that dont. 3000 for an A?? why so expensive?? I already got my learners permit!
4. when doing incab we do tell them, but we do not demonstrate, because read above

its no different than instagram videos of painter painting over a dented panel as part of a blend, and being ripped apart "why disnt you just fix it, you might have as well" yeah jackasses, lets just add hours that add up to tens and hundreds for free because the insurance or customer do not want ro pay for those


everyone wants a free ride these days, cheap economicly inept muthafuckaz
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Ill train anyone off pbb for free tho, so put that in your pipe and smoke it
 
fordguy said:
Ill train anyone off pbb for free tho, so put that in your pipe and smoke it
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That's a righteous pledge, dude! You are probably located too far away to help me. I already have a class A CDL, but I haven't driven in 25 years and I need a refresher. Mainly seat time in a truck is what I need.
 
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zlathim said:
That's a righteous pledge, dude! You are probably located too far away to help me. I already have a class A CDL, but I haven't driven in 25 years and I need a refresher. Mainly seat time in a truck is what I need.
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cali is where i am at. buy a plane ticket and fly in for a couple days, bring a sleeping bag and ill air up a mattress in our bus. we sold 10 speed trucks and have 6sp and auto, longest trailer about 38-40 feet, daycab trucks. ocean is 2 miles away. can get smokes alcohol weed and meth within 200 feet. plus homeless pussy. all you need for a good time

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fordguy said:
cali is where i am at. buy a plane ticket and fly in for a couple days, bring a sleeping bag and ill air up a mattress in our bus. we sold 10 speed trucks and have 6sp and auto, longest trailer about 38-40 feet, daycab trucks. ocean is 2 miles away. can get smokes alcohol weed and meth within 200 feet. plus homeless pussy. all you need for a good time

:flipoff2:
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Never change, man!
 
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DRTDEVL said:
Depends. If the company is too cheap, they will delete the option at the time of purchase to save something like $135 per truck.
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Do you know this as fact ? i have probably driven over a 100 semis i have owned 5 been in thousands as a passenger and not once in my life have i seen a truck with no trailer brake lever ! i call bull **** !
 
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