Why are we allowing all this vandalism to monmuments

[Provience]

just do a search on "ben franklin statue on top of building"

I have seen a few memes so far, where he is saying stuff like "try and reach me up here"

I personally don't believe common people should be destroying monuments, etc.. especially when they don't know the truth in some cases

yup, and most of them would never know there was truth to be known if it weren't for the statues

 

[Provience]

Hell no, Unless the rioters have teargas, flames, or guns those guys look like they are going to handle business just fine.. When the rioters show up give the cops the rest of the day off.

can we at least arm the national guard with skateboards, molotov cocktails and bottles of piss? ya know, keep things fair and both sides unarmed

 

[Provience]

https://twitter.com/byp100/status/1275969177665318916

this is pretty interesting to watch. I'm curious how strobe lights and speakers count as peaceful, hell that is half the reason they used to try to shut down GITMO as torture

also "you better cut the budget to zero, if you don't do that, there's going to be a problem" I'm curious how that isn't a direct threat guess i'm in tomorrow to see what happens to http://www.charlesallenward6.com/

 

[billdacat]

I am waiting for the fuckwads to fuck with the Vietnam war memorial; I will be their in a New York moment to defend that fucker!

 

[Scott Cee aka 2drx4]

I am waiting for the fuckwads to fuck with the Vietnam war memorial; I will be their in a New York moment to defend that fucker!

You give a beautiful eulogy.

 

[ev13wt]

and the lenin statue that just went up in germany

"well, that is their right to speech, i'm glad it is up so everybody can see how stupid they are"


^^you were more correct in the other thread than this one. Stupid history statues of whatever are good because they are markers of history. Good, bad or otherwise, they spur thought.

If Columbus didn't have statues and wasn't in the book, would there ever have been a push for 'indigenous peoples day"? would anybody have even known to give a shit about the carribeans he captured as gifts to europe? NOPE! They would have been just as lost to history as all the other bad shit nobody wants to acknowledge.

Well, you can teach actual history via book, museums. Don't need to glorify false history with a "false statue". I understand what you are saying, but that would prerequisite that the protester are semi intelligent.

The thing is, for them the statue of Columbus simply represents history wrong, because of all the shit surrounding it. I was taught that Columbus is a big ass hero, I learned later that this wasn't the case. But I still sort of believed Columbus discovered America, it just felt good.

The removal of statues (were a statue represents what they were taught) makes total sense to them. It might remove the wrongly taught thoughts from their head or something?
I'm not trying to justify their actions, just trying to find an explanation.

Else, they would have to use critical thinking and analyse various points of information to build a semi truthful pic of history in their head - and they don't have that capacity. Either it wasn't taught to them, or they really ARE that dumb.

 

[evernoob]

I don't really care about the Statue's being torn down, but got a good laugh out of the one that fell on the assholes taking it down. It just makes them all look like assholes, so that's fine with me. The destruction of memorials does bother me, immensely.

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I don't understand why you are ok with statues but not ok with memorials?

A statue of George Washington getting torn down doesn't bother you? Upsets the hell out of me, I'm actually scared of it and I think you should be too.

George was one of the richest guys in America and he also owned slaves. But it was the 18th Century, and even most free white people lived in conditions worse than slavery. Kids had worms and rickets, people with TB all over the place... it's contextual.

Washington kept going at Valley Forge. When he became President, he was writing letters to Martha in the coach to Philadelphia how he didn't want to be President and just wanted to come home. He did it anyway because he loved his country.

He watched everything he did b/c it set a precedent.

He was against Parties b/c it would lead to divisiveness.

He refused to be a King even though it was offered to him.

Washington is not only a great American President, George Washington is one of the greatest men that ever lived. Countries from Eastern Europe that finally got their independence are literally using Washington's example as the standard for their leaders.

That entire thing how Leaders should represent everyone even their opponents? That's George Washington.

When a leader steps down after being defeated in an election? George Washington.

Taking political opponents into your Cabinet/Government so that everyone can have a say? George Washington.

The impact of this guy simply can't be over-stated. I'm not just waxing Patriotic, even though I do get a little misty thinking about it.

George is one of the most important human beings who ever existed, almost everything accountable in Government leaders comes from Washington.

 

[evernoob]

Well, you can teach actual history via book, museums. Don't need to glorify false history with a "false statue". I understand what you are saying, but that would prerequisite that the protester are semi intelligent.

The thing is, for them the statue of Columbus simply represents history wrong, because of all the shit surrounding it. I was taught that Columbus is a big ass hero, I learned later that this wasn't the case. But I still sort of believed Columbus discovered America, it just felt good.

The removal of statues (were a statue represents what they were taught) makes total sense to them. It might remove the wrongly taught thoughts from their head or something?
I'm not trying to justify their actions, just trying to find an explanation.

Else, they would have to use critical thinking and analyse various points of information to build a semi truthful pic of history in their head - and they don't have that capacity. Either it wasn't taught to them, or they really ARE that dumb.

I think we understand the context. Yes, the Rioters hate the idea that Columbus exploited brown people. Brown and black people are hyper-racist, and identify with those Carib Indians even though they're no relation.

The common factor is that Columbus represents WHITE. That's the problem.

And Brown people hate White people. They are taught to do so.

It's dangerous and now it's a problem. We've been able to ignore the anti-White racism because it seems like Whites are on top.

That's not the case, as I have shown many times on this board. Deaths of Despair are increasing among Whites and this is the biggest social problem in the US today. People can't even hire workers and have to hire Illegals because Whites are all drugged out on drugs brought by.... Illegals.

Little too convenient to my taste.

Yes, personal accountability plays a factor, but it can't be denied there has been an increase in Demoralization of whites, and the poorer ones are clearly falling victim to this Demoralization.

Columbus wasn't even that bad for his time. At the same time Columbus and his crews were enslaving those Caribs, the Aztecs were slaughtering tens or hundreds of thousands of people each year in ritual human sacrifice.

I wish I could meme the Rioters tearing down a Columbus statue and replacing it with Montezuma II. That would be so cash!

We gotta get this bloodthirsty savage his own statue!

 

[bobbywalter]

context is defintely the key.



columbus is not fake history. calling columbus fake history is exactly the problem here. my favorites founders were all animals....partied with drugs and alcohal and whores....total testosterone fueled type A go get it motherfawkers. and fawking brilliant. accepting the past...owning wrongs and building to a future.


acquiescing here is the mistake. no monuments should be taken down without a vote of the taxpayers in the district affected period. this is conquer and destroy with impunity via marxist. this is exactly what happened via hugo chavez ... EXACTLY HOW IT WENT IN VENEZUELA.

because we are pussies.

most fear being labeled a racist...


i was a straight up burn all churches athiest motherfawker that should have been no where near teaching/raising children until i started to read the writings and details and personal letters of the founding of this constitutional republic.

and that was just because i wanted to sue the state in court because i could not buy booze on sunday at 6 am....this based on my indoctrination via a coveted wayne state professor based on the FAKE HISTORY and straight up bullshit presentation absent context from the ACLU. very crafty the way that separation of church and state is sold in their version....

the fawker that wrote it to the danbury babtists though was clear.. a TRUE STUDENT of christian principals understands that one renders on to cesars what is cesars and to god what is gods.

because humans are fithy rags...and suck...

dont believe me.....go to Atlanta or Minneapolis news stations or any news today.

a marxist or socialist...totalitarian...ect does not understand any separation idea and will slay you for it eventually......the party and state is all. ever shifting goal posts of rule for thee and not me in the power structure. always ends in the worst of human nature.



and how washington came to hold slaves is the same reason one would consider columbus fake. you have to do the research and cross the bibliography of such to get some decent context.

unlike us, there is a huge pile of written personal communication pre internet. its why this medium will likely kill us all....way easy to lose history this way when there is no electricity on nothing in print.





the people moving to remove the stuff in dc are paid. most of the antagonists are paid. we used to put crazy people in homes, and criminals in jail. now they are, the on street homeless shit on the sidewalk army.


anybody ignorant enough to think they have the right to destroy property.....i dont have a problem with them dying....since most of them seem to be hwhite....it wont matter..


it come down to free speech. that 1st amendment. and we all fear its use against us. when speech is free again because we teach that in school....this type of activity will not be tolerated. this crap out there now.... anti free speech.

we let it happen.

no room for marxist teachers.

 

[ev13wt]

I think we understand the context. Yes, the Rioters hate the idea that Columbus exploited brown people. Brown and black people are hyper-racist, and identify with those Carib Indians even though they're no relation.

The common factor is that Columbus represents WHITE. That's the problem.

And Brown people hate White people. They are taught to do so.

It's dangerous and now it's a problem. We've been able to ignore the anti-White racism because it seems like Whites are on top.

That's not the case, as I have shown many times on this board. Deaths of Despair are increasing among Whites and this is the biggest social problem in the US today. People can't even hire workers and have to hire Illegals because Whites are all drugged out on drugs brought by.... Illegals.

Little too convenient to my taste.

Yes, personal accountability plays a factor, but it can't be denied there has been an increase in Demoralization of whites, and the poorer ones are clearly falling victim to this Demoralization.

Columbus wasn't even that bad for his time. At the same time Columbus and his crews were enslaving those Caribs, the Aztecs were slaughtering tens or hundreds of thousands of people each year in ritual human sacrifice.

I wish I could meme the Rioters tearing down a Columbus statue and replacing it with Montezuma II. That would be so cash!

We gotta get this bloodthirsty savage his own statue!

I don't know what to say. Because he was "white"? Oh dear baby jesus...

African Americans cannot escape their history.
But I guess if I say that too loudly, I'll be the racist no matter the facts...

 

[ev13wt]

So let me get this straight. You're saying "the emancipation statue needs to go down" (in the reasoning of the people wanting to topple it) because a white man is standing above a black man kneeling.

 

[bobbywalter]

that freed slaves payed for.....and douglas presented.



fuking retardz.

 

[Provience]

Well, you can teach actual history via book, museums. Don't need to glorify false history with a "false statue". I understand what you are saying, but that would prerequisite that the protester are semi intelligent.

The thing is, for them the statue of Columbus simply represents history wrong, because of all the shit surrounding it. I was taught that Columbus is a big ass hero, I learned later that this wasn't the case. But I still sort of believed Columbus discovered America, it just felt good.

The removal of statues (were a statue represents what they were taught) makes total sense to them. It might remove the wrongly taught thoughts from their head or something?
I'm not trying to justify their actions, just trying to find an explanation.

Else, they would have to use critical thinking and analyse various points of information to build a semi truthful pic of history in their head - and they don't have that capacity. Either it wasn't taught to them, or they really ARE that dumb.

well, i'm happy that i'm not such a bigot

 

[Bebe]

Tearing down and defacing memorials bother me because they were placed to memorialize history (and typically by a long process of approval) so we do not repeat it. Statues of Men are just that, a presence, an idol, that can easily be replaced when this is all over. I'll never forget who any of the founding fathers are, I don't need a statue to remember them, but it sure is AWESOME to watch when they get owned taking one down.