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Who wins it? 2020

Who wins it? 2020

  • Trump

    Votes: 69 65.7%

  • Biden

    Votes: 12 11.4%

  • Asteroid

    Votes: 24 22.9%
  • Total voters
    105
I voted (in the poll) that Biden will win.

Everything is setup for it - riots, mail in voting, media and social media blacking out anything negative to Biden, MSM attacking POTUS, etc...

And then we'll have President Harris.

And then, I think, the republic is over. Because we'll never have accurate information again.
 
rockota said:
I voted (in the poll) that Biden will win.

Everything is setup for it - riots, mail in voting, media and social media blacking out anything negative to Biden, MSM attacking POTUS, etc...

And then we'll have President Harris.

And then, I think, the republic is over. Because we'll never have accurate information again.
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I hate to say it, but whether Trump wins or loses, America's decent into socialism is inevitable. Too many welfare cases breeding and producing worthless noncontributors. Then when they don't grow up to be doctors it's "institutional racism".
 
the conservative atheist said:
I hate to say it, but whether Trump wins or loses, America's decent into socialism is inevitable. Too many welfare cases breeding and producing worthless noncontributors. Then when they don't grow up to be doctors it's "institutional racism".
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i don't know that it will ever end, but it is certainly possible to fight back against socialism.

USSR broke up and went away from socialism, China was forced to step back from wholesale economic collectivization, Venezuala is currently moving to step back from socialism, much of the European nations are being forced (and some did decades ago) back from socialism.

it's a failure, but it is still only really not much more than 100 years old in mass practice. liberty endures and the general bent will hopefully continue to head there.
 
Provience said:
i don't know that it will ever end, but it is certainly possible to fight back against socialism.

USSR broke up and went away from socialism, China was forced to step back from wholesale economic collectivization, Venezuala is currently moving to step back from socialism, much of the European nations are being forced (and some did decades ago) back from socialism.

it's a failure, but it is still only really not much more than 100 years old in mass practice. liberty endures and the general bent will hopefully continue to head there.
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It's possible to fight socialism, but maybe the goal (at this point) is more to break up/break down the USA?
 
Tech Tim said:
It's possible to fight socialism, but maybe the goal (at this point) is more to break up/break down the USA?
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states rights, even if it does come down to breaking off jefferson from CA and then letting north western and western WA join as "cascadia" and then shuffling around NYC and a few of those shit small states into a proper New England so that Maine/VT/NH/rest of NY and western PA can be free, none of that would bother me.

but the return to states rights and minimalist federal overreach is the primary goal at the moment. I'll fight against the communists on the state level once the federal is scaled back.

hell, with "brexit" and Turkey being belligerent, the European Union (and NATO along with it) is having a whole host of reckoning.
 
Joe Biden is much more likeable than Hillary Clinton. That alone is why he will win, competency be damned.

Trump is an effective leader but too many people hate his personality. And unfortunately politics more often than not is a popularity contest.

Kinda sad really. I'd love to see what another four years of a republican lead country could accomplish.
 
It all hinges on the effectiveness of the scamdemic hoax and the manufactured race war in convincing the sheep it's all Trumps fault. Now add the biased media covering for Biden, and the nightmare of his election could come true.
 
A whole lot of words/emotions vs. deeds in this thread.
 
the conservative atheist said:
I hate to say it, but whether Trump wins or loses, America's decent into socialism is inevitable. Too many welfare cases breeding and producing worthless noncontributors. Then when they don't grow up to be doctors it's "institutional racism".
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^This... too many ignorant brain washed college kids who think it'll work. They've been told they're racist since they've been alive, been allowed to borrow 200k for college on a degree that only pays 40K per year, etc. etc...

There will be riots either way, if Biden wins they'll riot and say its the racists, if Trump wins they'll riot and say he stole it.
 
Aggie06 said:
There are a bunch of people solely voting for Biden because orange man bad. There are RINOs voting for Biden because Trump is going against their narrative. I firmly believe there are non-vocal moderate democrats who will vote for Trump because they are tired of radical democrats. Biden didn’t do himself any favors last night with people in the oil industry.
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I feel like this will keep a lot of Democrats at home saying "F' it"
 
rooting with my entire soul for.....


The Tampa Bay Devil Rays. FUCK THE DODGERS
 
Voted asteroid in this poll.

was about convinced to vote 3rd party, but might shift my vote to Trump.
as much as I hate hearing him speak, what his is doing is good for America.

i have zero confidence in Biden.
 
Broncokyle88 said:
But free college is a human right:flipoff2:


Seriously though, I would begrudgingly support a good proposal for a single payer healthcare system
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i wouldn't, private care is the least evil option.

we saw it with obamacare and it directly lead to a reduction in small/local strip mall quick doc's

everybody makes some big bamboozal that the only thing a Dr is good for is ER type shit. fuck that, if you want to call and pay a mexican medicine woman to administer peyote to treat a leg infection, have fucking at it. pay her whatever it is worth and go about your day.

Canada doesn't even do a good job with it

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/art...hortage-will-only-worsen-in-the-coming-decade

In 2006, the most recent year for which data is available, Canada’s physician-to-population ratio (age-adjusted) ranked 26th among 28 developed nations that maintain universal access health care. It’s not surprising then that some 6.6 per cent of Canadians reported being unable to find a family doctor in 2010. Canada’s physicians are unable to meet the demand for health care services because there are simply too few of them.
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15 years later

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/doctor-supply-cihi-1.5298005

While the supply of doctors has grown faster than the population over the past dozen years, many Canadians continue to report difficulties finding a family physician, said Geoff Ballinger, the institute's physician information manager.

"The big question is why does there seem to be this disconnect between the growing numbers of physicians and the fact that around the same proportion of Canadians are still having a challenge accessing physicians," he said in a telephone interview from Ottawa.

The Canadian Institute of Health Information is an independent, not-for-profit organization that works with governments and stakeholders to gather and provide information on policy, management, care and research.

The report found that in 2018 there was equivalent to 241 physicians per 100,000 population, the highest number per capita ever, said Ballinger.

Statistics Canada figures from 2016 show 15.8 per cent of Canadians aged 12 and older, or about 4.8 million people, reported they didn't have a regular health care provider.

The figures show Quebec, at 25.6 per cent, had the highest proportion of residents who were without a regular doctor, followed by Saskatchewan at 18.7 per cent and Alberta at 18 per cent.
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https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...ewer-americans-have-a-primary-care-doctor-now

2019 USA

TUESDAY, Dec. 17, 2019 (HealthDay News) -- The number of Americans who have a primary care doctor is shrinking -- with potential consequences for their health, researchers say.

Their new study found that in 2015, an estimated 75% of Americans had a primary care provider -- down from 77% in 2002

"Two percentage points might not seem like a big difference," Levine said, "but it translates into millions of Americans."
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In Canada, it is phrased as "lack of ACCESS to a primary care" in the USA it is simply "lack of a primary care" i.e. the USA doesn't use the system in the same way, canada can't fill the need, the US doesn't go as often post O-care

https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...with-shortage-of-primary-care-physicians.html

Forty-four million people, or 13 percent of Americans, live in a county with a primary care physician shortage, defined as less than one primary care physician per 2,000 people, according to a report from UnitedHealth Group.
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from 2018, 13% live in an are regarded as "short" of primary care. the access is higher in the US than in Canada, despite the access in the US being lower due to O-care and, much to the chagrin of the insurance and medical complex, the cost has gone up and the barriers have gone up with increased filtration through the government. i.e. overburdening regulation.

I would gladly go back to a catastrophe health insurance plan, with all the tax benefits provided by the associated HSA and deep discounts for paying cash. mega hospitals are not the primary concern for the vast majority of people, street doctors are. yes, they should be regulated to ensure health compliance similar to how a restaurant is. yes, they should be regulated to ensure competency similar to a barber. No, some mass collective bargaining price and wage fixing scheme, filtered through government metrics for access and arbitrary zones of service is not the ideal
 
Provience said:
i wouldn't, private care is the least evil option.

we saw it with obamacare and it directly lead to a reduction in small/local strip mall quick doc's

everybody makes some big bamboozal that the only thing a Dr is good for is ER type shit. fuck that, if you want to call and pay a mexican medicine woman to administer peyote to treat a leg infection, have fucking at it. pay her whatever it is worth and go about your day.

Canada doesn't even do a good job with it

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/art...hortage-will-only-worsen-in-the-coming-decade



15 years later

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/doctor-supply-cihi-1.5298005



https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...ewer-americans-have-a-primary-care-doctor-now

2019 USA



In Canada, it is phrased as "lack of ACCESS to a primary care" in the USA it is simply "lack of a primary care" i.e. the USA doesn't use the system in the same way, canada can't fill the need, the US doesn't go as often post O-care

https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...with-shortage-of-primary-care-physicians.html



from 2018, 13% live in an are regarded as "short" of primary care. the access is higher in the US than in Canada, despite the access in the US being lower due to O-care and, much to the chagrin of the insurance and medical complex, the cost has gone up and the barriers have gone up with increased filtration through the government. i.e. overburdening regulation.

I would gladly go back to a catastrophe health insurance plan, with all the tax benefits provided by the associated HSA and deep discounts for paying cash. mega hospitals are not the primary concern for the vast majority of people, street doctors are. yes, they should be regulated to ensure health compliance similar to how a restaurant is. yes, they should be regulated to ensure competency similar to a barber. No, some mass collective bargaining price and wage fixing scheme, filtered through government metrics for access and arbitrary zones of service is not the ideal
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Living in a border town, probably 10% of the local hospitals business is Canadians who can afford to pay cash rather than wait in line for care.
 
Norm said:
Living in a border town, probably 10% of the local hospitals business is Canadians who can afford to pay cash rather than wait in line for care.
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yup, it's trash.

it's weird that, for some reason, the USA is heading up the covid vaccine drive :confused: you'd think all these glorious socialist countries, who never had trump to "cut up their playbook and defund their virology doctors" (or however that claim goes) would be well ahead of us and the US would simply be buying it up from a trusted, developed socialized system (sorry russia, get fucked)

edit: and certainly to your point, it is the same as medical tourism from the US to mexico/central america where the systems have largely given way to half anarchy and open defiance, so that market conditions are generally more viable. even the middle and lower income families here would often be better paying cash out of country, if they can afford the time and transport.
 
CenCon said:
Do you fuckwads seriously think the American people are going to oust an incumbent Republican and vote in a career politician with obvious cognitive issues, you've been drinking way too much msm/sm koolaid.
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Possible. A Democrat, know to be a sleaze ball, beat a sitting Republican president with a reputation for honesty. (Clinton v Bush)
 
Not many from the liberal left seem all that excited about Biden, so their vote is gonna be a less enthusiastic 'anti Trump/save America' vote. Hillary seemed to have way more hype built up around her and still didn't get it done. Will be interesting to see what voter turnout is like.
 
Broncokyle88 said:
Free market is and always will be king, but I believe we’ve passed the point of no return with healthcare far too long ago:beer:
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don't ever give up hope!

the ACA is not much over a decade old, insurance being tied to employment as a "non income incentive" is less than 100 years old. there will always be time to go towards free market and charity hospitals and care, where the systemic loss will always be less than through .gov controlled.

also, as your story relates, it is pretty easy to give out "premium" care packages when they are behind an ins. or govt. paywall, regardless if they are needed or not. and holy cow, let's see how much they can waste with referrals :lmao:

or when the .gov says "we will decide what you need and what you don't, but you won't have a choice" because that is where single payer sends you. evereybody says "well, i'm already paying for it, might as well use it"
 
Biden. This thread shows why. Plenty of people with reasons to vote for Biden and they keep racking up. Heck, when Biden wins he can blame the economic fallout he inherited on Trump’s COVID 19 policy.
 
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