Bacho
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Same here. 100LL doesn't seem to ever go bad.
I lent my pole saw out to a cousin and noticed he was burning that canned fuel in it. When he gave it back to me it stank and ran like crap.
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Same here. 100LL doesn't seem to ever go bad.
I lent my pole saw out to a cousin and noticed he was burning that canned fuel in it. When he gave it back to me it stank and ran like crap.
2big bronco
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Just bought a 2 gallon can of truefuel yesterday, however I usually buy A 5 gallin can of the vp100 octane pre mix. That will last me most of the year between my kids minibikes and my chainsaw/weedwacker.
DannyK
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I just run 93 pump gas with mix oil in my chain saw, weed eater, and leaf blower. I've never had a problem, but maybe that is because none of them ever sit unused for more than a max of 4 months.
I refuse to spend the outlandish amount of money on that pre-mixed stuff.
I refuse to spend the outlandish amount of money on that pre-mixed stuff.
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486 said the same thing so you guys may be right, but my mom's kd175 quit injecting oil and the piston melted before the bottom end locked up.
So for all the Trufeul fans here....
What exactly is the difference between a gallon of truefuel and a gallon of ethabnol free with my favorite flavor of oil?
The problem with small engines and pump gas is the enthanol. Ethanol is hydroscopic. When it sits in anything for too long, it pulls in water and fucks up parts or turns in to yellow jelly and clogs the shit out of everything. Ethanol free eliminates that. So what else is truefuel putting in their shit that makes it better and worth 5x the price?
What exactly is the difference between a gallon of truefuel and a gallon of ethabnol free with my favorite flavor of oil?
The problem with small engines and pump gas is the enthanol. Ethanol is hydroscopic. When it sits in anything for too long, it pulls in water and fucks up parts or turns in to yellow jelly and clogs the shit out of everything. Ethanol free eliminates that. So what else is truefuel putting in their shit that makes it better and worth 5x the price?
OutlawRider
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I have nothing scientific outside of I called my dad crazy for spending that much on fuel until I started doing it myself because my stuff just needed less maintenance. Even if we were using ethanol free.
Maybe we kept fuel around longer because we mixed more up. Maybe the plastic jugs make a difference. I don’t know. But it has been worth it for me in anything that just sat a lot between uses.
All my small motors that sit and are 4 stroke get ethanol free gas.
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ugh, that guy again?
oil injection dribbles it in the carb, totally separate metering than premix which both go through the same hole
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Convenience. It's good quality fuel with oil and a good stabilizer mixed in. I don't know what other magic they put in it, but I've been running it for years in my blower and chainsaw and I won't switch back. If I am doing a big job like taking a tree down, I'll mix my own and burn through it that specific task. But for my general use, I get about a full season out of one gallon. My 17yo echo blower still starts second pull just like it did new, no matter how long it's been sitting, and I haven't had to rebuild a carb since making the switch. For a homeowner who doesn't burn through a ton of it, it's worth every penny.
I have even used it to "clean out" old 2 stroke outboards that didn't run right. Run a full gallon of tru fuel premix with fresh plugs and it would work it's magic and run great.
I run ethanol free premium and pre mix myself and never have to do any maintenance so I dont see how I could do less. 
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Most 2t the bottom end will have a decent amount of oil that's fallen out of the gas. If you do a bottom end you should dump some straight 2t oil in the bottom end before you put the jug back on.
But it's all a balance. More oil, less fuel, leaner a/f but richer fuel/oil.
Arps
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I get rec gas and mix 50 to 1
WLDWUN
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87 octane pump gas and 40ish to 1 mix
waste of money for me to use better gas or premixed.
I can use a gallon a month to a gallon in an afternoon. average about 30 gallons a year.
I do use Stihl 2 stroke engine oil and buy it in a gallon jug.
waste of money for me to use better gas or premixed.
I can use a gallon a month to a gallon in an afternoon. average about 30 gallons a year.
I do use Stihl 2 stroke engine oil and buy it in a gallon jug.
ScottRS
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+ another for this, I go to the local general-aviation airport near me, buy 100LL 5-20 gallons at a time at the flight line pump, it doesn't go bad, it doesn't gunk carbs, some gets mixed 50-ish:1, but it doesn't go in anything with a cat. FWIW, I just checked on the website, my local airport is charging $6.09/gal for 100LL self-serve; cheapest local car gas is $3ish/gal self-serve (for reference). I figure, the quality control should be pretty well on-point, if a car gets bad gas, you pull to the side of the road and get pissy, if aircraft get bad gas, it's a bit bigger deal.We also have some small airports with self serve pumps. So I can buy 100LL and still be less than half his cost with $80/gallon oil.
The Tru -fuel is stupid expensive.
I think I can still get 5 gallon cans of vp112 for $99, if we want good gas....
Other option is the local gokart track (if you have one) but they were more like 4-5x car gas prices for VP 110 the last time I checked.
To directly go to the OP's question, when I dealt with 2-stroke stuff professionally, we recommended the hell out of TruFuel or equivalent (Husqvarna has their own, VP has their own, Stihl has their own, stay with the mix ratio and they're all basically the same) as ethanol in big 2-strokes did bad things, and we had a lot of instances where people had "nothing but problems" (usually running ethanol pump gas) and the first-round "fix" (worked about half the time) was dump the gas, refill with known-good name-brand premix, and try again.
Professionally, I couldn't expense 100LL to work, and I wouldn't spend for TruFuel to put in my own stuff, but cat-less, for-friends, for-cash, etc., got an "airport rebuild" first. Same thing, drop what's in it, put 100LL/mix in, give it a whirl. Worked more than it didn't. Also, I used to have to rebuild my pressure washer carb every time I used it... I can't even remember when I last did that, and all I've changed is feeding it strictly 100LL instead of car gas (it's 4-stroke).
Same, the bean oil smell is worth it.Everything else gets some castor927 gooodness...even the tacoma sometimes
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I run everything on regular ethanol gas and synthetic 2 stroke for the summer then dump all fuel and run trufuel through it until it runs out to sit for the winter. Or I just run it out of fuel and leave it, depends on whether I remember or not
jeeptj19992001
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Our ethanol free pump, also has there othere varieties of gas as well....you never get true ethanol free fuel, cause you also get some fuel that was in the hose prior to you pumping.
Plus I don't have to mix any more.
A gallon last me a summer.
If you are using gallon(s) weekly, ya I would mix my own.
The cost does not bother me....
People waste more money weekly on beer and booze.
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Not good to be breathing in the exhaust.
Granted we don't have gasahol here so normal fuel from the stations is fine.
DRTDEVL
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I do the same with my chainsaw... on 50:1 91 or 93 Octane E0 and 2-stroke oil and it lasts at least a year (if not 2) in the can and fuel tank.Y'all are probably gonnabut I buy the Tru-Fuel... it ain't cheap, but I can throw my saw in the storage building totally un-prepped and grab it a year later and it'll start on the first pull or two guaranteed.
Worth every penny to not have to worry about gummed up carbs and such.
Smells like Cam2 which is an added bonus, I love the smell of Cam2 in the morning...
I use BP 93 or Casey's 91 E0 exclusively in my mowers, 2-strokes (chain saw, weed whacker, backpack blower, boat), and skid steer along with my old carbed rides and have had no problems with gumming or varnish after sitting a year or longer.
Some do, yes... but I no longer drink.
welndmn
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I use it all the pre mix cans, I buy what ever brand is cheaper or on sale.
Same deal here, there is not ethanol free fueling stations near me and I don't go though enough of it to want to buy it from the air port.
Once I got the stupid Milwaukee chainsaw as well, the Prius of chainsaws, I used a lot of gas. While it does not feel like it has the power of my farm boss, I am just a homeowner out there chain sawing is flip flops, it starts so I like it.
Same deal here, there is not ethanol free fueling stations near me and I don't go though enough of it to want to buy it from the air port.
Once I got the stupid Milwaukee chainsaw as well, the Prius of chainsaws, I used a lot of gas. While it does not feel like it has the power of my farm boss, I am just a homeowner out there chain sawing is flip flops, it starts so I like it.
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You're supposed to pump a few gallons into the truck first.
Luckily they have an entire separate handle and pump here for the ethanol free.
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Yeah, we ride bikes that run on 60:1
Hell, I run 40:1 in the old bikes. I can't say I've ever mixed a can of 32:1 and I've had bikes for 20 years.
Most of the places here have dedicated pumps. Thought I have been tempted to get one of those ethanol testers just to make sure they're being honest.
Mixing takes all of 20 seconds using the little single serve bottles or one of these measuring bottles
My leaf blower can go through 3/4 gallon per use if I do the whole property. This time of year that could be 2-3 times per week when the leaves really start falling.
Trimmer goes through a half gallon per session.
Chainsaws - probably put 10 gallons through them per year.
Other than maybe the convenience, I haven't seen any proof that there's anything actually better about it. And convenience isn't even there for me. I go to the gas station way more often than I go to stores that carry the fancy gas.
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laughs in 32:150:1 in the bikes that still have carbs
Could get away with 60:1
TrikeKid
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Next you'll stay it should be EuropeanYou should try a bike that was made this decade
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Why would I downgrade?You should try a bike that was made this decade
The 80s made the best of everything.....people, bikes, trucks, music.....
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Aside from muscle cars, yes everythingnot everything