Bacho
Yellow Skull
How do you identify that they are aftermarket? I’m just looking on the website and assuming I’m buying original equipment based off of the parts diagram page.
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The skid steer thread
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How do you identify that they are aftermarket? I’m just looking on the website and assuming I’m buying original equipment based off of the parts diagram page.
CarterKraft
Red Skull Member
Those will be the OEM tracks, I'll send you a doc when I find it, I'm in Internet hell at the moment
Bacho
Yellow Skull
Purchased an OEM track and a pair of rear wheels. Hoping to get that all installed this weekend. Machine has turned out to be quite handy for a lot of unexpected tree work.
Bacho
Yellow Skull
Hi- lift for the win. Worked very well. A lot better than $250 for what hopefully would only be one time use tool.
AlxJ64
Rust is Paint
Helping a friend decide on a new CTL. I have a Bobcat T190 and just bought an E48 mini earlier this spring and my friend really likes both of my machines. I've been pleased with the ease of access to things on the E48 and overall Bobcat seems to have realized that its not just the sales point but also the ease of service that is helping with purchase. My friend is looking at a T770 Bobcat, R2 Series deluxe cab and high flow and 92 HP, but its a DEF machine. Also looking at a T-76, which is the new M3 platform I think they now call it with the engine being longitudinal compared to the older units being transverse.The T-76 is highflow but only 72 hp.
He is also looking at a Deere 325G that is a 2023 YM but still NOS on the dealership lot. Deere is saying that Friday is the end of their fiscal year and would like to get this machine gone. Its a fully spec'd cab, high flow, wide track, 2 speed, and is priced to move from Deere all things considered. I think the Deere is also 72 or 74 HP.
He is going to use it for clearing land he bought that was logged about 10 years ago. He and his lady are having a custom home built there eventually but in the meantime it'll be his camping spot with a pole barn shop. He intends on buying a small mulching head, which is why he wants high flow. It won't be used for full time mulching so he's okay running with a little less HP. Also will be used for misc farm activities eventually as his lady is a horse girl too.
T770 is 96k, OTD and 1.9% 60 mo (72 mo not avail for non-business purchase)
T76 is 84k, OTD and 1.9% 60 mo (72 mo not avail for non-business purchase)
Deere 325G is 90k OTD and 0.0% 48, 2.4% 60 Mo, and 4.3% 72 Mo
Dealer network is very dense for both brands in the area so that is not a factor and he and I both have excellent relationships with both the Bobcat and Deere dealerships.
Both of the Bobcats have more creature comforts than the Deere, but the Deere is in between on specs between the two Bobcat machines and notoriously they push harder and lift more per chassis size comparison. A 331 is too heavy and too pricey to compare he said.
Opine away oh Irate.
He is also looking at a Deere 325G that is a 2023 YM but still NOS on the dealership lot. Deere is saying that Friday is the end of their fiscal year and would like to get this machine gone. Its a fully spec'd cab, high flow, wide track, 2 speed, and is priced to move from Deere all things considered. I think the Deere is also 72 or 74 HP.
He is going to use it for clearing land he bought that was logged about 10 years ago. He and his lady are having a custom home built there eventually but in the meantime it'll be his camping spot with a pole barn shop. He intends on buying a small mulching head, which is why he wants high flow. It won't be used for full time mulching so he's okay running with a little less HP. Also will be used for misc farm activities eventually as his lady is a horse girl too.
T770 is 96k, OTD and 1.9% 60 mo (72 mo not avail for non-business purchase)
T76 is 84k, OTD and 1.9% 60 mo (72 mo not avail for non-business purchase)
Deere 325G is 90k OTD and 0.0% 48, 2.4% 60 Mo, and 4.3% 72 Mo
Dealer network is very dense for both brands in the area so that is not a factor and he and I both have excellent relationships with both the Bobcat and Deere dealerships.
Both of the Bobcats have more creature comforts than the Deere, but the Deere is in between on specs between the two Bobcat machines and notoriously they push harder and lift more per chassis size comparison. A 331 is too heavy and too pricey to compare he said.
Opine away oh Irate.
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YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
I'd absolutely avoid Def unless I was masticating full time. 92hp is almost too much HP for a skid steer. They will do everything just fine with less HP.
Benny
Broke Bastard
You know you can turn the throttle down? You don't have to do everything at full throttle.
YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
You know you can turn the throttle down? You don't have to do everything at full throttle.
Turning it down gets rid of Def?
Only limp dick operators run part throttle anyway
Really though, my point is that a 75hp skid steer is still very capable. People get caught up in having the biggest baddest skid steer when 90% of the time they would be perfectly fine with a smaller machine.
AlxJ64
Rust is Paint
Ended up getting the JD after all.
I get to store and use it for my needs until they are done building their house and shop.
Learned something interesting about the Deere CTLs and skids. The Chrome stack means its high flow... a black stack means its standard flow. Odd but according to the dealers, thats the case.
I get to store and use it for my needs until they are done building their house and shop.
Learned something interesting about the Deere CTLs and skids. The Chrome stack means its high flow... a black stack means its standard flow. Odd but according to the dealers, thats the case.
Benny
Broke Bastard
Ended up getting the JD after all.
I get to store and use it for my needs until they are done building their house and shop.
Learned something interesting about the Deere CTLs and skids. The Chrome stack means its high flow... a black stack means its standard flow. Odd but according to the dealers, thats the case.
Sounds like BS to me. BILs 333g has high flow and a black stack.
AlxJ64
Rust is Paint
What year model is it? Two different dealers said this was the case. Both James River equipment (55 dealerships) and Virginia Tractor (7 dealerships) regionally and both sales people and two maintenance folks made this comment.
Benny
Broke Bastard
It's 3 years old.
AlxJ64
Rust is Paint
Maybe its something they've started doing in the past few years. The exhaust stack is attached to the hood cover so it would be easy to swap. Dunno. Maybe its the case with the smaller loaders too. The 333 is a monster of a loader in comparison to the other ones. I think the only one bigger on the market is the Minotaur at like 18.6k lb.
Benny
Broke Bastard
Deere has a 335-p now. 118 hp. 12,300 lbs
Only 200 lbs more, but 18 hp more than the 333
Only 200 lbs more, but 18 hp more than the 333
PAToyota
Red Skull Member
Don't you hate when friends impose on you like that...
CarterKraft
Red Skull Member
This isn't for the weekend warriors but I think it's fuckin awesome of technology.
CAT 255 with a SMART6 way dozer blade.
Machine has onboard IMU for slope.
One button to switch from regular controls to SMART.
Edit: Having hell uploading a video
CAT 255 with a SMART6 way dozer blade.
Machine has onboard IMU for slope.
One button to switch from regular controls to SMART.
Edit: Having hell uploading a video
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YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
That is pretty cool that it switches to regular dozer controls.
However, a dozer blade on a skid steer is mostly a joke. The hydraulic geometry on a dozer is all built to keep the edge from bitting in and digging. The hydraulics on a skid steer have shit for leverage to prevent that.
Sure it can push out loose materials, but so can a bucket.
To be fair, I've never actually ran one, but the guys I've talked to said they suck. The fact that you never see legitimate companies with the and they're all over FBMP confirms that.
However, a dozer blade on a skid steer is mostly a joke. The hydraulic geometry on a dozer is all built to keep the edge from bitting in and digging. The hydraulics on a skid steer have shit for leverage to prevent that.
Sure it can push out loose materials, but so can a bucket.
To be fair, I've never actually ran one, but the guys I've talked to said they suck. The fact that you never see legitimate companies with the and they're all over FBMP confirms that.
Benny
Broke Bastard
I agree. Of course, the one we had is all manual. No auto capability.
I think a grader attachment with auto slope would be way better
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I wouldn't want to be the guy putting wear on a 90 freaking grand skid steer.Don't you hate when friends impose on you like that...
Holy fuck.
Wasn't that long ago $50k bought a nice new machine. The TR270 we had at the mill was about that.
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Yeah, I had asked on here a while back about that. Consensus was they suck.
YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
I've been curious about those grader attachments, with the tires in front. There is a local company that uses it with GPS and it looks sweet.
The problem with the GPS stuff is the need for someone to build the models and a somewhat not brain-dead operator that can learn the system and not fuck it up along with site management that will buy in to using it. Getting harder to find any of those.
Those "smart" setups have the ability to program on the spot for simple tasks - like maintaining a slope or grading a ditch, but for anything more sophisticated, you're gong to need a model and also the support equipment to go with it - GPS base or VRS subscription if there's a network near you, or a laser base or robotic total station for it to reference off of. More stuff to fuck up or get stolen.
I'd be curious who is buying and successfully running those in the real world. Seems like maybe the mid-level residential and commercial sitework guys could make it work - like subdivision or big shopping center grading. Too small for the big dirt guys, and the little, single lot or landscapers would have a hard time justifying the extra cost.
I worked for a small-ish dirt contractor 15+ years ago and talked him in to buying his first D6 with GPS. I was the modeler, field tech and sometimes operator for it. But I also got to watch the superintendent in a matter of weeks go from saying "we don't need that shit" to calling me freaking out when a piece of hardware failed and the GPS went down and he couldn't finish grade for a few hours.
YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
Oh absolutely, not for Joe blo
I haven't messed with any of these smart systems yet. Ironically my boss was talking about something along those lines for an excavator the other day. He's not super savvy in that type of stuff so I'm not sure what system it is, but he was saying it would have a screen that would allow you to follow a slope you set. For the price, I'd think you'd be better off with a laser and a magnetic receiver. We already have the laser and it's easy to set slopes. Plus the magnetic receiver could go on any machine.
This company is a smaller kinda do all contractor. They do small highway projects, sewer lines, and probably whatever they can get. They have a dozer and blade with GPS already so I'm guessing the skid steer attachment is just for sidewalks and wherever the bigger stuff doesn't fit.
I worked for a small-ish dirt contractor 15+ years ago and talked him in to buying his first D6 with GPS. I was the modeler, field tech and sometimes operator for it. But I also got to watch the superintendent in a matter of weeks go from saying "we don't need that shit" to calling me freaking out when a piece of hardware failed and the GPS went down and he couldn't finish grade for a few hours.
It spoils you quick. Guys who don't know tend to think it's just showing you grade, but being able to see the design also is just as important or more so. Most of my GPS experience was without autos, but the auto's sure are nice.
CarterKraft
Red Skull Member
This guy has grader blade and dozer.
You will have to fight him to get the grader blade from him. And he's not alone, the guys that bought these grader blades really like the hell out of them.
They may not be "good" operators, they may be crutches, I'm not sure but they seem to live them.
One customer I talked to who did final grading for sub divisions said if his business partner found out how easy it made cutting sidewalk and surface drainage he'd sue him lol.
I won't argue your point, I don't know and I do know I suck as a operator.
CarterKraft
Red Skull Member
IMO that's the magic of these next gen machines with grade control.Oh absolutely, not for Joe blo
I haven't messed with any of these smart systems yet. Ironically my boss was talking about something along those lines for an excavator the other day. He's not super savvy in that type of stuff so I'm not sure what system it is, but he was saying it would have a screen that would allow you to follow a slope you set. For the price, I'd think you'd be better off with a laser and a magnetic receiver. We already have the laser and it's easy to set slopes. Plus the magnetic receiver could go on any machine.
This company is a smaller kinda do all contractor. They do small highway projects, sewer lines, and probably whatever they can get. They have a dozer and blade with GPS already so I'm guessing the skid steer attachment is just for sidewalks and wherever the bigger stuff doesn't fit.
It spoils you quick. Guys who don't know tend to think it's just showing you grade, but being able to see the design also is just as important or more so. Most of my GPS experience was without autos, but the auto's sure are nice.
You can create your own profile right in the machine and it will even auto dig it if you want. No GPS required or modeling of the project, set a profile and dig. Set a ceiling so you don't hit a power line, swing limits so you don't crush the pump door
All crutches to help a shitty operator, but here I am
CarterKraft
Red Skull Member
I haven't seen anyone using GPS or RTK on them like they are capable of just for that reason I'm sure, too much to set up.The problem with the GPS stuff is the need for someone to build the models and a somewhat not brain-dead operator that can learn the system and not fuck it up along with site management that will buy in to using it. Getting harder to find any of those.
Those "smart" setups have the ability to program on the spot for simple tasks - like maintaining a slope or grading a ditch, but for anything more sophisticated, you're gong to need a model and also the support equipment to go with it - GPS base or VRS subscription if there's a network near you, or a laser base or robotic total station for it to reference off of. More stuff to fuck up or get stolen.
I'd be curious who is buying and successfully running those in the real world. Seems like maybe the mid-level residential and commercial sitework guys could make it work - like subdivision or big shopping center grading. Too small for the big dirt guys, and the little, single lot or landscapers would have a hard time justifying the extra cost.
I worked for a small-ish dirt contractor 15+ years ago and talked him in to buying his first D6 with GPS. I was the modeler, field tech and sometimes operator for it. But I also got to watch the superintendent in a matter of weeks go from saying "we don't need that shit" to calling me freaking out when a piece of hardware failed and the GPS went down and he couldn't finish grade for a few hours.
But even I can get set a slope and make passes to hit it.
One customer does a lot of house pads and he used the GB on a 299 to cut the final, something a "good" operator would/could do with a track loader, dozer etc.
We learned early on to not put the best operators in them because it tends to make them lazy. Better to take the guy that's kind of OK and doesn't generally fuck up the equipment or break shit and let him because the GPS pro. Usually ends up with some hurt feelings because the star operator is used to getting put in the shiny new machine and now the guy that was a laborer 9 months ago is getting it.
We have a statewide VRS network here that's operated by the state. Pretty Sitech had all the major population areas in TX covered with one down there too. Makes it a lot easier to not have to deal with a base and the accuracy you'd lose is still more than acceptable for most sites. But it still turns in to a day of calibration and modeling, which may not make sense for a small job.
CarterKraft
Red Skull Member
That strategy is pretty smart, there will always be a job where you need bad ass operator and GPS, they can shine then.We learned early on to not put the best operators in them because it tends to make them lazy. Better to take the guy that's kind of OK and doesn't generally fuck up the equipment or break shit and let him because the GPS pro. Usually ends up with some hurt feelings because the star operator is used to getting put in the shiny new machine and now the guy that was a laborer 9 months ago is getting it.
We have a statewide VRS network here that's operated by the state. Pretty Sitech had all the major population areas in TX covered with one down there too. Makes it a lot easier to not have to deal with a base and the accuracy you'd lose is still more than acceptable for most sites. But it still turns in to a day of calibration and modeling, which may not make sense for a small job.
arse_sidewards
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How hard is it to cut up old rubber skid steer tracks?
I'm thinking of picking up a pair or two and cutting them into segments light enough for one man to drag and then using them as environmental mats for a couple kinda wet places I want to drive through.
I'm thinking of picking up a pair or two and cutting them into segments light enough for one man to drag and then using them as environmental mats for a couple kinda wet places I want to drive through.
CarterKraft
Red Skull Member
They j
So if you cut with something make sure they will be OK when they hit a 5/16"-3/8" steel cable.
We cut them no problem with a sawzall. We lay them down to drive dozers on when crossing sensitive concrete.
They just have some cables wrapped around them.
So if you cut with something make sure they will be OK when they hit a 5/16"-3/8" steel cable.
We cut them no problem with a sawzall. We lay them down to drive dozers on when crossing sensitive concrete.