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The more I hear this guy the more I am impressed

No matter what one thinks of RFK Jr., I think that his rise in the consciousness of the Democrat party is telling in 2 ways.

The first: People like Bill Maher have been decrying how wacky the left is at the moment and how they've lost their way. JBP has spoken for years on how he's worked with some of the more sane Democrats in this country trying to steer them away from their present positioning (as a Canadian who understands how shitty the world would be with a weak America I think he comes from a place where he was attempting to make our political parties serve the strength of the nation and not because he supported D's over R's, but use your own judgement). Like RFK or not, it is heartening to see someone with his credibility within the Democrat party getting traction with some of the more traditional Democrats. Our country is better off when the parties can at least agree what the problems are, even if they disagree with the solutions.

Second: Its also very telling just how hard the establishment is trying to kill him off (rhetorically, but maybe actually? if you believe him about how is dad and uncle were killed). The current establishment D's want him gone, by polling the self-proclaimed dem voter isn't really behind him yet, and the R's don't really know what to do with him as he's articulating their side better than they do, but is selling the 'incorrect' solution based on their politics.

He's someone to watch for sure, even if it's just to see how people on both sides react to him. I will also note this: If RFK is to the "right" of Chris Christie on many issues, where does that put RFK politically? Where does that put Christie politically? What is going on?
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Maher was way to drunk on this one… he fkd it up Royal, interrupting and clambering all the shit on his table!!!! JR was a class act, normal guy, as usual!!!!!
 
Thefishguy77 said:
Doesnt matter “if” it will happen. The fact he said he would sign it is enough that he is 100% off my list of possible candidates. You either support the COTUS and BoR or you don't. No picking and choosing. Fuck him but at least he was honest ish
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At least he doesn't seem to be afraid to piss people off.
 
Thefishguy77 said:
Doesnt matter “if” it will happen. The fact he said he would sign it is enough that he is 100% off my list of possible candidates. You either support the COTUS and BoR or you don't. No picking and choosing. Fuck him but at least he was honest ish
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He has said multiple times it won’t happen because there would never be consensus with the Republicans. He didn’t say if one party passed it. He explains further in other interviews it’s not on his agenda because as a servant of the people he would need to see majority representation from the right agree to it.

I get your point but look deeper at the him in this matter because he is open about it.
 
Poke said:
and what about this?

thehill.com

RFK Jr. argues gun control cannot ‘meaningfully’ reduce gun violence

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. deviated from much of the Democratic Party during a town hall with NewsNation on Wednesday, saying there is nothing policymakers can “meaningfully” do through gun …
thehill.com thehill.com
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Ok so I see what you are saying. Yet his statement about signing a gun bill was about the majority was a majority of congress not majority of the people. Then he openly says it wont make a difference. He has either no position on it, doubtful (lifelong democrat), or he is saying whatever he thinks meeds to be heard in order to convince enough people to vote for him, probable (lifelong politician). He can't be trusted.
Part of his oath of office is to Uphold the COTUS. Part of that is not signing unconstitutional laws, like a gun ban of any sorts. One of the main reasons nobody really trusts congress, at least on this board, is they disregard the Constitution as if it were nothing more than toilet paper. It really doesn’t matter the party affiliation very select few excluded.

He said it will make no difference but I will sign an unconstitutional bill if congress passes it. Please try and under this.
 
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This is actually a one-page thread, repeated 4 times. :homer:

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“If we can get a consensus on it, if Republicans and Democrats agree to it and it passes Congress, I would sign it,” he said.

This is supposed to make me feel better about him? :confused:
 
Thefishguy77 said:
Ok so I see what you are saying. Yet his statement about signing a gun bill was about the majority was a majority of congress not majority of the people. Then he openly says it wont make a difference. He has either no position on it, doubtful (lifelong democrat), or he is saying whatever he thinks meeds to be heard in order to convince enough people to vote for him, probable (lifelong politician). He can't be trusted.
Part of his oath of office is to Uphold the COTUS. Part of that is not signing unconstitutional laws, like a gun ban of any sorts. One of the main reasons nobody really trusts congress, at least on this board, is they disregard the Constitution as if it were nothing more than toilet paper. It really doesn’t matter the party affiliation very select few excluded.

He said it will make no difference but I will sign an unconstitutional bill if congress passes it. Please try and under this.
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You are incorrect, He said specifically if Republicans and Democrats voted in the majority in the above clip. He has also repeatedly said he considers a Supreme Court ruling, even if he disagrees with it, to be the final say, inferring, the issue was settled.

His position is that as an elected rep, he’d do it if that’s what the majority of both parties agree to but it’s not something he’d take up on his own. His belief is that gun laws won’t prevent gun crime and the party’s won’t agree to it so it’s not worth focusing on.

He is staying away from the big divisive issues. You have the left and right trying to tank him with piece meal audio clips twisting his intent. Listen to him carefully. He’s not perfect but if both sides hate him, I’ll keep paying attention because he’s on to something.
 
Poke said:
You are incorrect, He said specifically if Republicans and Democrats voted in the majority in the above clip. He has also repeatedly said he considers a Supreme Court ruling, even if he disagrees with it, to be the final say, inferring, the issue was settled.

His position is that as an elected rep, he’d do it if that’s what the majority of both parties agree to but it’s not something he’d take up on his own. His belief is that gun laws won’t prevent gun crime and the party’s won’t agree to it so it’s not worth focusing on.

He is staying away from the big divisive issues. You have the left and right trying to tank him with piece meal audio clips twisting his intent. Listen to him carefully. He’s not perfect but if both sides hate him, I’ll keep paying attention because he’s on to something.
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so you're okay with him already admitting he would violate his oath of office and the constitution?
 
I have a history of watching fringe candidates that have no chance… damn
 
rockota said:
so you're okay with him already admitting he would violate his oath of office and the constitution?
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Have you look at the field and last few presidents? I’m definitely not ok with it, but it’s what we get. You can’t vote and pick an option who hasn’t violated the constitution or wanted to. It’s sad as hell

Edit- I’m simply more comfortable with a guy saying Gun control won’t help stop gun crime so it’s not a priority to me. A guy who’s had a lot of gun violence enacted on him
 
Poke said:
You are incorrect, He said specifically if Republicans and Democrats voted in the majority in the above clip. He has also repeatedly said he considers a Supreme Court ruling, even if he disagrees with it, to be the final say, inferring, the issue was settled.

His position is that as an elected rep, he’d do it if that’s what the majority of both parties agree to but it’s not something he’d take up on his own. His belief is that gun laws won’t prevent gun crime and the party’s won’t agree to it so it’s not worth focusing on.

He is staying away from the big divisive issues. You have the left and right trying to tank him with piece meal audio clips twisting his intent. Listen to him carefully. He’s not perfect but if both sides hate him, I’ll keep paying attention because he’s on to something.
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So your interpretation of his statement is he would only sign a gun bill that hit his desk if it had a simple majority of both Dem and Repugs in both the house and senate vs. a simple overall majority in the senate and house? Because I have listened to the clip you posted and thats not the impression I got. The impression I got was if the house and senate both had enough votes to pass a gun bill onto the desk of the POTUS he would sign it.

As to a SCOTUS ruling that can take a decade or more to get them to hear a case if they are even willing to hear it. NM everyone who has their rights violated and bends the knee in the meantime or those that dont bend and take the chance with a federal felony charge. It was only a few years ago the SCOTUS said something to the extent of. “We wont hear a case if someone hasn’t been negatively affected by the law in question.”

Just so were clear in your SCOTUS reference. You’re good with someone catching a felony charge because the POTUS signed an unconstitutional law in hopes the SCOTUS will hear the case to overturn the law? Am I correct in my interpretation of your thinking?
 
Poke said:
Have you look at the field and last few presidents? I’m definitely not ok with it, but it’s what we get. You can’t vote and pick an option who hasn’t violated the constitution or wanted to. It’s sad as hell

Edit- I’m simply more comfortable with a guy saying Gun control won’t help stop gun crime so it’s not a priority to me. A guy who’s had a lot of gun violence enacted on him
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Well Biden said he’s not coming for your guns yet here we are. Are you honestly believing a lifetime democrat that they wont support “common sense gun control” even if its not a priority. :homer:
 
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It speaks poorly for the big candidates that a fringe wingnut can get support from across the aisle because he's honest about a couple issues, even though he's still liberal overall.

The voters remind me of an abused woman grasping on to anyone who shows her the slightest kindness...
 
Thefishguy77 said:
Well Biden said heading not coming for your guns yet here we are. Are you honestly believing a lifetime democrat that they wont support “common sense gun control” even if its not a priority. :homer:
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We are talking about what he’s saying and ‘stands for’. You and others were making assumptions about a clip with incomplete information and incorrectly putting words in his mouth like a NYT editor. :flipoff2:

I was just commenting and correcting to reflect his actual stated position.

What I believe isn’t relevant because it ain’t happening
 
Poke said:
We are talking about what he’s saying and ‘stands for’. You and others were making assumptions about a clip with incomplete information and incorrectly putting words in his mouth like a NYT editor. :flipoff2:

I was just commenting and correcting to reflect his actual stated position.

What I believe isn’t relevant because it ain’t happening
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So he would be the first democrat president in my life time and probably ever to not sign a gun control bill that hit his desk with the blessings from congress. Thats what you think is going to happen if only a simple majority passes said gun bill? Call me skeptical.
BTW would you like to buy some ocean front property in Arizona?:flipoff2:
 
It is truly unbelievable that a soul would want this man to run a country. The shit he says is so stupid it's like he's trolling the entire country.
 
Poke said:
We are talking about what he’s saying and ‘stands for’. You and others were making assumptions about a clip with incomplete information and incorrectly putting words in his mouth like a NYT editor. :flipoff2:
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Read this again. very slowly.

Let me know when you see the irony
 
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