The gun control legislation thread.

[Roc Doc]

This thread is to notify others of sneaky legislation that is clearly gun control, usually masked as public safety issues. Even if it's not in your state, please post up info so that residents of that state might take action. Get a hold of your district representation and state senators.

AB 1333 will wipe out Castle doctrine in California, and might set precedence for other states that are considering the same.

California Bill Guts Self-Defense Rights​

in News
Published On:March 3, 2025Updated:March 3, 2025BYLarry Z

California is at it again. The same state that defunded its police and made it harder for law-abiding citizens to exercise their 2A rights is now coming for self-defense laws.
Assembly Bill 1333, if passed, would severely limit when residents can use lethal force to protect themselves or others.
Worse yet, it introduces an absolute duty to retreat when outside the home—essentially forcing people to flee rather than defend their own lives.

What California AB 1333 Does​

Under California’s current law (Penal Code Section 197), lethal force is justified when someone is facing imminent danger of death, serious bodily injury, or a felony being committed against them.
But AB 1333 seeks to strip away those protections.

The Key Changes:​

• Limits Self-Defense Situations: The bill removes the provision allowing the use of lethal force when a felony (such as robbery, carjacking, or sexual assault) is being committed against the victim. This means prosecutors could argue that defending yourself during a violent crime isn’t justified.
• Weakens Home Defense: While current law allows you to use lethal force against a home intruder, AB 1333 waters this down, making it more difficult to defend yourself even in your own home.
• Creates a Duty to Retreat: If you’re outside your residence, you must try to escape before using force, even if facing immediate danger. This directly contradicts the long-standing stand-your-ground principle recognized in many states.
• Bans Certain Justifications for Lethal Force: The bill explicitly eliminates the right to use lethal force to apprehend a felon, suppress a riot, or protect public safety in certain scenarios.

What This Means for Californians​

This bill would put law-abiding citizens in even greater danger. Criminals don’t follow gun laws, and now California wants to strip away one of the last remaining tools for lawful self-defense.
If AB 1333 becomes law, victims could be forced to prove they exhausted all options for escape before they could even consider using lethal force—giving attackers the upper hand.

 

[Don.]

Those kalifucktard politicians really fukn hate the tax slaves there, don’t they?

 

[smurfblue40]

California has a Dem super majority in the capital. AB1333 will pass with no problem, then go straight to court like all of the other bull**** anti gun laws they dream up.

 

[Clb]

Welcome to the prk

 

[smurfblue40]

California's "Castle doctrine" as it is right now. Plain and simple, dirtbag breaks into my house, I give him/her/they/them a sucking chest wound.

CA Penal Code Section 198.5​

Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred. As used in this section, great bodily injury means a significant or substantial physical injury.

 

[Clb]

I
HOPE
This recall works this time....

 

[jeeptj19992001]

Current new yuck



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Back in January, we provided you with an update on the state of gun related legislation in New York. Since then, some of the original bills have advanced and an even larger list of bills have been added to the anti-gun pile. Gun grabbers in the state of New York are pushing exceptionally hard to strip you of your rights. The new bills that we are tracking, which require immediate action, can be seen below:

NY S 5952, Senator Parker, requires any firearm manufactured by a 3D printer to contain a unique identifying number and to be registered with the state police. This bill was introduced and referred to the Senate Consumer Protection Committee on March 4th.

NY S 5974, Senator Parker, requires firearm owners to obtain liability insurance of covering at least 1 million dollars in potential damages. This bill was introduced and referred to the Senate Insurance Committee on March 4th.


NY S 5813, Senator Sepulveda, and NY A 6024, Assemblywoman Simon, both bills relate to imposing excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. S 5813 was introduced and referred to the Senate Budget and Revenue Committee on March 3rd, while A 6024 was referred to House Ways and Means Committee on February 25th.

NY S 744, Senator Hoylman-Sigal, a "Rapid-fire modification device" ban that includes any bump stock, trigger-crank, binary trigger system, burst trigger system, "pistol converter," or any other device designed to accelerate a firearms rate of fire. This bill passed the Senate and was referred to the House Codes Committee on February 3rd.

NY S 5818, Senator Sepulveda, allows anyone (excluding state or local government officers and employees) to bring civil action against those who manufacture, distribute, or sell "assault weapons" or "ghost guns" or their parts within the state, including those who aid or abet or intend to do so. The bill also goes as far to explicitly state that defendants cannot use defenses such as ignorance of the law or belief in the unconstitutionality of the requirements. This bill was referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 3rd.


NY A 544, Assemblywoman Paulin, requires police officers to take temporary custody of firearms when responding to reports of family violence. As always, these bills are infringements on due process rights. This bill was amended and recommitted to the House Codes Committee on February 28th.

NY A 6113, Assemblyman Benedetto, prohibits the issuing of firearms licenses to individuals on the federal no-fly list or terrorist screening database. This bill is also a violation of due process rights, and these lists have a long history of abuse attached to them. It was only last year that Tulsi Gabbard was placed on a domestic terror watchlist without any form of recourse, despite the fact that she had committed no crimes. The action itself was a form of political retribution from the Biden administration. NY A 6113 was introduced and referred to the House Codes Committee on February 26th.


NY S 5279, Senator Sepulveda, directs the state police to develop regulations regarding bulk purchase of firearms or ammunition and investigate those purchases for potential criminal activity. This bill is a direct infringement on gun owners' privacy rights. It was referred to the Senate Finance Committee on February 20th.

NY S 4790, Senator Sanders, requires a purchaser of any firearm, rifle or shotgun to submit to a mental health evaluation. This bill was introduced and referred to the Senate Codes Committee on February 12th.

NY S 4277, Senator Kavanagh, .50 caliber firearm ban. this bill was referred to the Senate Codes Committee on February 3rd.

The status of the legislation that we alerted you about in January can be seen here:


NY S 418, Senator Gianaris, prohibits the purchase of more than 1 firearm during any period of 30 days and its companion bill, NY A 1774, from Assemblywoman Rosenthal. Both of these bills remain in their respective House and Senate Codes Committees.


NY A 2228, Assemblywoman Rajkumar, requires background checks in order to purchase a 3D printer. This bill remains in the House Codes Committee.

NY S 2158, Senator Comrie, establishes a database of information relating to the sale or use of micro-stamped guns. (Micro-stamped referring to firearms with firing pins that imprint unique markings onto cartridge casings.) This bill remains in the Senate Codes Committee.

NY S 2089, Senator Kavanagh, expands background checks to include juvenile delinquency records for persons under age 30 when purchasing a firearm. This bill remains in the Senate Children and Families Committee.

NY S 1455, Senator Kavanagh, allowing the division of criminal justice services to certify the technological viability of "personalized handguns" and to establish requirements related to the sale of "personalized handguns," along with its companion bill, A 1191, from Assemblyman Bores. (Personalized handguns referring to pistols or revolvers that could be programmed to function only when activated by the firearm's lawful owner or other authorized user.) NY S 1455 remains in the Senate Codes Committee, while A 1191 was referred to the House Ways and Means Committee on January 28th.

NY S 1358, Senator Serrano, would require all pistols to be equipped with a permanent "Child Proofing Device." This bill remains in the Senate Codes Committee.

NY A 437, Assemblyman Dinowitz, suicide warning signs would be required on-site at any establishment that sells, displays, or delivers firearms. This bill was reported from the House Rules Committee on January 22nd.

NY A 346, Assemblywoman Paulin, under 21-purchase ban. This bill remains in the House Codes Committee.

NY A 2060, Assemblywoman Rajkumar, requires any firearm manufactured by a three-dimensional printer to contain a unique identifying number and to be registered with the state police. This bill remains in the House Codes Committee.
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Gun Owners of America



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[Steve300xcw]

Appeals Court Lifts Hold on Measure 114, Ruling That Oregon Gun Law is Constitutional - Oregon Department of Justice

AG Rayfield: “Oregonians voted for this, and it’s time we move ahead with common sense safety measures.” Oregon Attorney General Dan Rayfield issued a statement today, after an appeals court lifted the hold on Measure 114, a step forward in allowing the state to put critical gun safety...

www.doj.state.or.us

 

[Toreadorranger]

Appeals Court Lifts Hold on Measure 114, Ruling That Oregon Gun Law is Constitutional - Oregon Department of Justice

AG Rayfield: “Oregonians voted for this, and it’s time we move ahead with common sense safety measures.” Oregon Attorney General Dan Rayfield issued a statement today, after an appeals court lifted the hold on Measure 114, a step forward in allowing the state to put critical gun safety...

www.doj.state.or.us

There is also a pending federal lawsuit over this but of course it is stuck in the 9th circuit, Pending Duncan v. Bonta. Duncan had Oral Arguments on March 19th, 2024. So we are now coming up on a year for a decision in Duncan. Which is also holding up other cases in the 9th Circuit.

 

[Clb]

Fukkin 9th circus
Scotus needs to suck it up and write a memorandum of intent killing all this ****.
That is all.
I'll put the pipe down now...

 

[Motorcharge]

Fukkin 9th circus
Scotus needs to suck it up and write a memorandum of intent killing all this ****.
That is all.
I'll put the pipe down now...

Or do their job and break up the 9th into multiple districts like they're supposed to. But like most of their duties, Congress hasn't done this since the 1960s.

 

[Toreadorranger]

Or do their job and break up the 9th into multiple districts like they're supposed to. But like most of their duties, Congress hasn't done this since the 1960s.

A few of the circuit courts cover way to much area of the US. Like 90% of the 9ths case load is California. The 9th circuit has 29 judges, the next largest is 17. Its pretty clear it should be broken up at least in half.

• 1st Circuit: 6 judgeships
• 2nd Circuit: 13 judgeships
• 3rd Circuit: 14 judgeships
• 4th Circuit: 15 judgeships
• 5th Circuit: 17 judgeships
• 6th Circuit: 17 judgeships
• 7th Circuit: 17 judgeships
• 8th Circuit: 17 judgeships
• 9th Circuit: 29 judgeships
• 10th Circuit: 17 judgeships
• 11th Circuit: 17 judgeships
• D.C. Circuit: 12 judgeships
• Federal Circuit: 12 judgeships

 

[Motorcharge]

Yeah I've dug pretty deep into the history of the 9th and written about it quite a bit. It's become a de facto second SCOTUS, especially for anything the SCOTUS itself doesn't take up.

Most of the appellate courts need to be broken out into smaller districts. They all cover much larger percentages of the population than they're meant to.

 

[Clb]

 

[SKULLYOTA]

Appeals Court Lifts Hold on Measure 114, Ruling That Oregon Gun Law is Constitutional - Oregon Department of Justice

AG Rayfield: “Oregonians voted for this, and it’s time we move ahead with common sense safety measures.” Oregon Attorney General Dan Rayfield issued a statement today, after an appeals court lifted the hold on Measure 114, a step forward in allowing the state to put critical gun safety...

www.doj.state.or.us

The newest one HB3075 iirc changes some of 114 so the permit to purchase only affects handguns and semi auto long guns. And I think it allocates funding?

Still bull**** though.

https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2025R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/HB3075

 

[smurfblue40]

It's just a speed bump for the gun grabbers, but it's a win 🇺🇸

 

[smurfblue40]

I don't want to de-rail too far, but...

I seem to remember California removing the "duty to retreat" clause from the castle doctrine a few years ago. Now some twit wants to put it back??

 

[Toreadorranger]

Duncan v Bonta was finally decided on by the En Banc 9th circuit. no surprises they ruled, magazines are accesories and are not protected. What is surprising is a video dissent from Judge Van Dyke of the 9th circuit.

 

[smurfblue40]

AB-1187 Firearms: safety certificates.​

Bill Text - AB-1187 Firearms: safety certificates.

More hoops to jump through if it passes (even if it does it will immediately go to the courts)

 

[animator]

Biden Administration's Ghost Gun ruling upheld. **** Joe Biden.

Supreme Court upholds Biden admin 'ghost gun' regulation

The Supreme Court upheld the federal regulation of "ghost guns," or kits that enable buyers to assemble guns at home using parts that are often purchased online.

www.foxnews.com

The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday upheld the Biden administration's regulation of so-called "ghost guns," by a 7-2 vote.

Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote the opinion, joined by Chief Justice John Roberts, as well as Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett and Ketanji Brown Jackson. Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito dissented.

At issue was whether the devices meet the federal definition of a "firearm" and "frame and receiver," and whether the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) exceeded its authority to regulate and enforce their sale.

Ghost guns are do-it-yourself functional weapons that are often purchased online and marketed by some sellers as easy to assemble. The Justice Department said more than 19,000 hard-to-trace ghost guns were seized by law enforcement in 2021, a more than tenfold increase in just five years.

That was driven in part by recent technological advances, many containing polymer-based unassembled firearm components.

Final home assembly typically requires the use of some readily available tools, including drilling holes and milling or sanding the unfinished frame or receiver, which enable the installation of parts. The 1968 Gun Control Act was revised in 2022 to regulate the growing market for certain "buy build shoot" kits.

The seven-justice majority found that the Gun Control Act "permits ATF to regulate…some weapon parts kits and unfinished frames or receivers."

The law defines a "firearm" to include "any weapon… which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive," as well as "the frame or receiver of any such weapon."

"Congress could have authorized ATF to regulate any part of a firearm or any object readily convertible into one," Thomas wrote in his dissent. "But, it did not. I would adhere to the words Congress enacted. Employing its novel ‘artifact noun’ methodology, the majority charts a different course that invites unforeseeable consequences and offers no limiting principle."

The administration said it was not seeking to ban the sale or use of these kits, merely requiring them to comply with the same requirements of other commercial firearms dealers. That includes serial numbers on the parts and background checks on the purchasers.

A federal appeals court struck down the updated rules after a legal challenge from kit sellers and buyers, but the Justice Department appealed to the Supreme Court.

Gun rights groups say that the rule is "unconstitutional and abusive," arguing the ghost gun kits consist of "non-firearm objects."

The devices can also be made from 3D printers or from individual parts. That is part of separate legal challenges in the lower courts.

The ATF's rule requires unfinished parts of a firearm, like the frame of a handgun or the receiver of a long gun, to be treated like a completed firearm. These parts need to be licensed and must have serial numbers.

The rule also requires manufacturers to run background checks before selling these parts, as they are required to do for whole commercial firearms.

The justices have been revisiting the Second Amendment in recent years, after the conservative majority in 2022 made it easier to carry handguns outside the home for protection.

In June, a federal ban on bump stocks, devices that can convert semi-automatic rifles into weapons that can fire hundreds of rounds a minute, was struck down by the high court.

However, that same month, the justices upheld a federal ban on firearm possession for people subject to certain domestic violence restraining orders.

The case is Garland v. VanDerStok (23-852).

Given the current status of the ATF, things might not change that suddenly for home-builders, but with any future administration, especially an anti-gun administration, this could be extremely unfortunate.

 

[Norm]

Biden Administration's Ghost Gun ruling upheld. **** Joe Biden.

Supreme Court upholds Biden admin 'ghost gun' regulation

The Supreme Court upheld the federal regulation of "ghost guns," or kits that enable buyers to assemble guns at home using parts that are often purchased online.

www.foxnews.com

Given the current status of the ATF, things might not change that suddenly for home-builders, but with any future administration, especially an anti-gun administration, this could be extremely unfortunate.

**** SCOTUS for ignoring the constitution

 

[Toreadorranger]

**** SCOTUS for ignoring the constitution

I know I will be in the minority on this, but you should actually read the opinion. This was not decided on 2nd amendment grounds. The lawsuit was brought under the Administrative Procedures Act, so it was decided along those grounds. It was also a Facial Challenge so its harder to win as the burden is higher. The Opinion had some good things in it, it specifically talks about the door being open for deciding future issues on more specific kits and it even talks about some other things the Vanderstock lawyers could have argued.

Then it directly states that AR-15s can not be regulated under the GCA and NFA as machineguns. Good precedent.

"Our analysis of the GCA thus does not
begin to suggest that ATF possesses authority to regulate
AR–15 receivers as machineguns under the NFA."

 

[animator]

The problem I see with it is that currently, the ATF decides that 80% rifle receivers are not firearms, but are given the authority to determine that, should they choose. On the next administration turnover, an anti-gun ATF could say, “well we didn’t consider them firearms before, but now we do”, (because the ATF has NEVER reversed ANY of their previous positions ever) and the Supreme Court has just opened that door.

Once that regulation goes into effect, if it does, and it absolutely will with another anti-gun administration, no more ordering 80% flats, blanks, or otherwise unfinished receivers without FFL involvement. They won’t stop at pistol builder kits, they’ll go after everything.

 

[Weasel]

I know I will be in the minority on this, but you should actually read the opinion. This was not decided on 2nd amendment grounds. The lawsuit was brought under the Administrative Procedures Act, so it was decided along those grounds. It was also a Facial Challenge so its harder to win as the burden is higher. The Opinion had some good things in it, it specifically talks about the door being open for deciding future issues on more specific kits and it even talks about some other things the Vanderstock lawyers could have argued.

Then it directly states that AR-15s can not be regulated under the GCA and NFA as machineguns. Good precedent.

"Our analysis of the GCA thus does not
begin to suggest that ATF possesses authority to regulate
AR–15 receivers as machineguns under the NFA."

I had caught a couple whifs of this in the brief amount I read, thanks for posting this.

 

[JD Mark]

I know I will be in the minority on this, but you should actually read the opinion. This was not decided on 2nd amendment grounds. The lawsuit was brought under the Administrative Procedures Act, so it was decided along those grounds. It was also a Facial Challenge so its harder to win as the burden is higher. The Opinion had some good things in it, it specifically talks about the door being open for deciding future issues on more specific kits and it even talks about some other things the Vanderstock lawyers could have argued.

Then it directly states that AR-15s can not be regulated under the GCA and NFA as machineguns. Good precedent.

"Our analysis of the GCA thus does not
begin to suggest that ATF possesses authority to regulate
AR–15 receivers as machineguns under the NFA."

Shall not be infringed.

Could give a **** less about what it's based on.

 

[Toreadorranger]

Shall not be infringed.

You are not living in reality. You can scream that for eternity but it won't help.

 

[JD Mark]

You are not living in reality. You can scream that for eternity but it won't help.

I will...and I know.

Still doesn't change facts...this ruling by SCOTUS violated our God given rights which are supposedly guaranteed by the 2A.

 

[Weasel]

US civil rights probe of Los Angeles gun permits draws criticism

US civil rights probe of Los Angeles gun permits draws criticism

The U.S. Justice Department's launch of a civil rights probe into whether Los Angeles is taking too long to issue permits to carry a concealed handgun drew criticism on Friday from advocates who called it a sharp departure from the department's longstanding approach. Attorney General Pam Bondi...

ground.news

Huh.

 

[JD Mark]

Bunch of bull****.

For this reason alone I will keep my CPL until I move out of this ****hole state.

Democrat gun law has buyers waiting weeks to purchase a firearm - The Midwesterner

A law approved by Democrats that requires a license to purchase a firearm is creating a bottleneck that forcing some to wait for up to a month. “Some law enforcement agencies are taking a couple weeks to process; though, some are on demand, which isn’t bad, but those are rare,” Grand Rapids gun...

www.themidwesterner.news

 

[Roc Doc]

Colorado asking California to hold mah beer.


As the clock runs down on Governor Polis' 10-day window to veto Senate Bill 25-003, the semi-auto ban turned FOID-scheme bill, he continues to sit on his hands and let the bill gather dust on his desk. He has just 5 days left to veto SB 25-003. If he does not take action by Monday, April 7th, this egregious bill will become law.


The time to sit idly by has passed, YOU need to speak up. Governor Polis NEEDS to hear from every Coloradan who reads this. Show him through your advocacy that the will of the anti-gun radicals in the General Assembly is NOT the will of the people.


This is our last chance to stop this bill from becoming law! It is critical for all NRA Members and Second Amendment advocates in the Centennial State to contact Governor Polis' office at (303) 866-2471, by email at [email protected], by signing the Colorado State Shooting Association Petition, and by using the TAKE ACTION button below and urge him to VETO SB 25-003.





Senate Bill 25-003 creates a "permit-to-purchase" scheme for banned semi-automatic firearm platforms. To be eligible to apply for the "permit-to-purchase," Coloradoans would need to complete a 12-hour educational course. The House amendments include, but are not limited to, putting the training requirements and permitting process under Colorado Parks and Wildlife's jurisdiction, and placing burdens on local sheriff's departments.


Additionally, other anti-gun bills have also reached Governor Polis' desk, as more continue to move through the General Assembly.


House Bill 25-1238, which places undue restrictions on gun show vendors and organizers, and House Bill 25-1133, which places age restrictions on all ammunition purchases, both passed in the House for concurrence with the Senate amendments, and have been transmitted to Governor Polis' desk.


In the Senate, SB 25-205, which creates a system requiring federal firearms licensees to request a firearm serial number check on any potential purchase, passed out of the Senate State, Veterans, & Military Affairs Committee along party lines. It now heads for the Senate floor for second reading.


In legal news, NRA filed suit against the excise tax on firearm and ammunition sales yesterday in conjunction with many other Second Amendment advocacy groups.


We can anticipate that anti-gun radicals in the General Assembly will continue their attacks on the Second Amendment. Please stay tuned to the NRA-ILA website and your inbox for updates as this legislative session progresses.