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The End of Biden ?

Don't forget all the handouts to huge corporations already making record breaking profits and more tax shelters for the wealthy!
Thats so 2 years ago. Its FTX lied to the Democrats as to where the money comes from. And if elected they will fight tooth and nail to help stop the ponzi scheme crypto is. If it can fool us it can definitely fool you. :flipoff2:

Fuck I’m probably at least half correct in that satire😔
 
Thats so 2 years ago. Its FTX lied to the Democrats as to where the money comes from. And if elected they will fight tooth and nail to help stop the ponzi scheme crypto is. If it can fool us it can definitely fool you. :flipoff2:

Fuck I’m probably at least half correct in that satire😔
I honestly can't even tell the political and social satire from reality at this point.

Like show me some wild ass articles and ask me if it's satire or reality and I'd probably go about 50%.
 
Oh the promise to close both of those "loopholes" up by bringing their tax rate closer to yours while totally glazing over lowering the peoples tax rate which would immediately help evrey citizen? I left that part out

Just once… once… I’d like a reporter to follow up to the “pair their fair share” with the IRS statistics….”are you saying the top 10% aren’t paying their fair share? They are paying over 50> of all income taxes. So you’re saying they are paying way too much, correct?”
 
Just once… once… I’d like a reporter to follow up to the “pair their fair share” with the IRS statistics….”are you saying the top 10% aren’t paying their fair share? They are paying over 50> of all income taxes. So you’re saying they are paying way too much, correct?”
The people crying about fair share are the same idiots that complain about the CEO pay at their job. If the CEOs pay goes to zero, your life would not be affected one bit, you should be crying about how much you don't get paid. Same for taxes, stop crying about how Amazon paid $0 in taxes and focus on why the fuck am I paying between 30% and 60%, and lower my shit NOW. What they don't realize is they are arguing for the .gov to get more money and in the process lower everyone's standard of living further and playing right into a political trick for dumbasses.
 
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Just once… once… I’d like a reporter to follow up to the “pair their fair share” with the IRS statistics….”are you saying the top 10% aren’t paying their fair share? They are paying over 50> of all income taxes. So you’re saying they are paying way too much, correct?”
The wealthy not getting the shit taxed out of them is a really recent development. Prior to Reagan, tax brackets topped out at 70%. The current max bracket would've barely been middle of the pack back then. Back in the 50s it topped out at 91%.

And look what happened.

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Cause applying penalizing taxes on success and those that create jobs for the masses is always the best way to encourage economic growth. Atlas shrugged.
The data is inconvenient for the argument. Does overall growth really even matter for the population as a whole of it's only the top of the food chain that is seeing the benefits? Everyone else is bitching about the price of eggs and gas because we're getting squeezed. Tax protections for private equity has led to more and more firms being gobbled up and gutted.
 
The wealthy not getting the shit taxed out of them is a really recent development. Prior to Reagan, tax brackets topped out at 70%. The current max bracket would've barely been middle of the pack back then. Back in the 50s it topped out at 91%.

And look what happened.

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What happened to incomes between when taxes were high-af? We’re the lower incomes increasing at the same rate or even at all?

Stop blaming rich people. Blame government for manipulating the economy through extortionate taxation.
 
What happened to incomes between when taxes were high-af? We’re the lower incomes increasing at the same rate or even at all?

Stop blaming rich people. Blame government for manipulating the economy through extortionate taxation.
I don't blame rich people. Yes, the government manipulates the economy - to benefit the rich people that fund their campaigns. What we really need are campaign finance reforms. Fix campaign finance to where the wealthy and large corporations can't control the democratic process and democracy will fix a lot of our problems.
 
The data is inconvenient for the argument. Does overall growth really even matter for the population as a whole of it's only the top of the food chain that is seeing the benefits? Everyone else is bitching about the price of eggs and gas because we're getting squeezed. Tax protections for private equity has led to more and more firms being gobbled up and gutted.
Does overall growth matter? As our population keeps growing (more now by immigration than birth) we better be growing to at least match the new mouths to feed. New jobs, new spending, new resources. Our economy is structured to depend on growth. Possibly a flaw in the very long term.

Since the early 1900s, the tax system went from simply funding the govt and was used more and more for social engineering. Giving breaks for things deemed valuable to our society, like married couples. That engineering as of late has twisted the system into a social justice hammer, penalize wealthy people and transfer funds to poor people. Not every aspect of government should be beating up one group to favor the good group du jour, but it sure seems that is the direction we are headed.

I am against the progressive tax brackets we currently have in place. The number of "wealthy" people who were handed wealth for nothing, ie birthright, is somewhat small, and hey, there is an asshole in every group, get used to it. Most wealthy people either busted ass or benefited from cleverness or both. They deserve what they built just like you do. Why penalize them for trying harder? Just classism? Communism-lite? Just cause they have more, society has a right to swipe more of it?

On the other side of it, people getting more tax refund back than was paid in... we have welfare programs for those that need assistance. Our tax system is the WRONG tool to attempt to help those struggling. IMO, everyone should pay a positive dollar amount to support the country they have the great benefit of participating in. Even if it is just 1 dollar. Something. We are clost to 50% not contributing to supporting the country, but still have the right to vote. With no skin in the game, voting the riches from the treasury to the people is absolutely the result. We are well along that path already. The only question is if it can be turned around or if we are on an inevitable downslope and gaining speed.

The US is #12 on debt to GDP ratio. All those countries above us are considerably smaller in population and most are in the orbit and benefit of a larger country, and that is us in many cases. The debt is only accelerating. The argument is only who is worse, not how to fix it. We will NOT solve that problem trying to skin the rich. Apart from there simply not being enough dollars there anyway, it can only be done once, as they wont be weathly anymore for subsequent years. A complete dead end, and yet, even on this board, are people who do nothing but rally the torches and pitchforks to storm down the doors of anyone in a better financial position than they are. Complete waste of time and effort.


Nobody seems satisfied with our current tax systems. Everyone seems to believe "the other guy" is pulling the brass ring with special tax protections. But all that is happening to fix it is to continue adding more special protections for "other special groups". How is that making anything better? One side says to hammer the rich with high taxes and give bennies to the "poor" (half the country:eek:) and the other side passes shelters to help avoid punitive taxation. The situation continues to degrade. Meanwhile national sales tax, fair tax or flat tax options are considered lunacy cause it doesnt benefit me and penalize you enough to meet someone's opinion. Schools dont teach logic and thinking, social leaders point fingers and sound bites, our eyes are flooded with bullchit, and too many are lost chasing down a nirvana that never existed.





[puts away soapbox and returns to happier thoughts....]
 
Does overall growth matter? As our population keeps growing (more now by immigration than birth) we better be growing to at least match the new mouths to feed. New jobs, new spending, new resources. Our economy is structured to depend on growth. Possibly a flaw in the very long term.

Since the early 1900s, the tax system went from simply funding the govt and was used more and more for social engineering. Giving breaks for things deemed valuable to our society, like married couples. That engineering as of late has twisted the system into a social justice hammer, penalize wealthy people and transfer funds to poor people. Not every aspect of government should be beating up one group to favor the good group du jour, but it sure seems that is the direction we are headed.

I am against the progressive tax brackets we currently have in place. The number of "wealthy" people who were handed wealth for nothing, ie birthright, is somewhat small, and hey, there is an asshole in every group, get used to it. Most wealthy people either busted ass or benefited from cleverness or both. They deserve what they built just like you do. Why penalize them for trying harder? Just classism? Communism-lite? Just cause they have more, society has a right to swipe more of it?

On the other side of it, people getting more tax refund back than was paid in... we have welfare programs for those that need assistance. Our tax system is the WRONG tool to attempt to help those struggling. IMO, everyone should pay a positive dollar amount to support the country they have the great benefit of participating in. Even if it is just 1 dollar. Something. We are clost to 50% not contributing to supporting the country, but still have the right to vote. With no skin in the game, voting the riches from the treasury to the people is absolutely the result. We are well along that path already. The only question is if it can be turned around or if we are on an inevitable downslope and gaining speed.

The US is #12 on debt to GDP ratio. All those countries above us are considerably smaller in population and most are in the orbit and benefit of a larger country, and that is us in many cases. The debt is only accelerating. The argument is only who is worse, not how to fix it. We will NOT solve that problem trying to skin the rich. Apart from there simply not being enough dollars there anyway, it can only be done once, as they wont be weathly anymore for subsequent years. A complete dead end, and yet, even on this board, are people who do nothing but rally the torches and pitchforks to storm down the doors of anyone in a better financial position than they are. Complete waste of time and effort.


Nobody seems satisfied with our current tax systems. Everyone seems to believe "the other guy" is pulling the brass ring with special tax protections. But all that is happening to fix it is to continue adding more special protections for "other special groups". How is that making anything better? One side says to hammer the rich with high taxes and give bennies to the "poor" (half the country:eek:) and the other side passes shelters to help avoid punitive taxation. The situation continues to degrade. Meanwhile national sales tax, fair tax or flat tax options are considered lunacy cause it doesnt benefit me and penalize you enough to meet someone's opinion. Schools dont teach logic and thinking, social leaders point fingers and sound bites, our eyes are flooded with bullchit, and too many are lost chasing down a nirvana that never existed.





[puts away soapbox and returns to happier thoughts....]
The fauchi ouchi and train fire says there will be a significant population drop in the next 5 years. And liberals will still say Biden did a great job.
 
No argument that campaign finance reform can help. but that won't do dick about folks who buy their legislators outright under the table.
Hell, at least force them to try to do that. They can just do it in the outright open as is.
 
The data is inconvenient for the argument. Does overall growth really even matter for the population as a whole of it's only the top of the food chain that is seeing the benefits? Everyone else is bitching about the price of eggs and gas because we're getting squeezed. Tax protections for private equity has led to more and more firms being gobbled up and gutted.
So they jack up the tax rates on the billionaires, then what?

Serious question

How does that directly benefit east_beast vs let's say a 50% cut in your taxes?
 
So they jack up the tax rates on the billionaires, then what?

Serious question

How does that directly benefit east_beast vs let's say a 50% cut in your taxes?
Fuck it lets take all the cash the billionaires in America have. All of it. Does that pay the interest on our national debt for one day? Honestly curious.
And after that do we hit the millionaires? Its a liberal socialist idea as you’re well aware. But remember you’re talking to a heavy liberal leaning member so seems like he would support taxing those with more stuff than him
 
Fuck it lets take all the cash the billionaires in America have. All of it. Does that pay the interest on our national debt for one day? Honestly curious.
And after that do we hit the millionaires? Its a liberal socialist idea as you’re well aware. But remember you’re talking to a heavy liberal leaning member so seems like he would support taxing those with more stuff than him
I'll have to find the stats, but I believe if you seized 100% of the assets of the millionaires and billionaires it funded the gov for a month or something like that. That was pre COVID and Ukraine, so it's probably more like 1 day now like you guessed.

I don't care about his views, I enjoy talking with people who have different views than me, crazy!!
 
Its a progressive idea originating from the early 1900’s

trust busting

noun​

  1. (law) government activities seeking to dissolve corporate trusts and monopolies (especially under the United States antitrust laws)
Ahhh so in order to end the problem the regulatory state created, we must increase the size of the regulatory state. I would bet a lot of these supposed trusts form due to regulatory capture.

So the trusts get busted up, now what?
 
Ahhh so in order to end the problem the regulatory state created, we must increase the size of the regulatory state. I would bet a lot of these supposed trusts form due to regulatory capture.

So the trusts get busted up, now what?
The government is clearly the only ones we can trust with that sort of power and control. Thank the lord baby Jesus we have them to protect us. :flipoff2:
 
Try? :lmao: Are you implying they don't already?

Holy shitballs :laughing:
I mean, they really don't have to. They can outright buy off their campaigns. They can feed them inside info for trading. They really don't have to do a whole lot of backdoor shenanigans.
 
I mean, they really don't have to. They can outright buy off their campaigns. They can feed them inside info for trading. They really don't have to do a whole lot of backdoor shenanigans.
An environment like that exists because the government is way the fuck too big and has their hands in way too much shit, hence the corruption.
 
I like Rand also but I just don't think he has the demeanor to bring the fight to them. I'd like to see him as Desantis running mate. Then run for President. I think that would give him the experience he needs.

Just an opinion.
Well he wasn't able to handle the fight from his neighbor, so what would he do in the West Wing? Not much
I'd like to see Trey Gowdy put his hat in the ring. He'd take the fight anywhere.
Bark bark his yapping dog bark. Here's trey gowdy but with a better haircut and no fox news money

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The people crying about fair share are the same idiots that complain about the CEO pay at their job. If the CEOs pay goes to zero, your life would not be affected one bit, you should be crying about how much you don't get paid. Same for taxes, stop crying about how Amazon paid $0 in taxes and focus on why the fuck am I paying between 30% and 60%, and lower my shit NOW. What they don't realize is they are arguing for the .gov to get more money and in the process lower everyone's standard of living further and playing right into a political trick for dumbasses.
Look at how these people make their arguements. They're not arguing for a tweak to a public policy. They're pushing a religion or belief system. It needs to be countered accordingly.

The wealthy not getting the shit taxed out of them is a really recent development. Prior to Reagan, tax brackets topped out at 70%. The current max bracket would've barely been middle of the pack back then. Back in the 50s it topped out at 91%.
And nobody actually paid those rates because there were more readily accessible ways to lower your tax liability. Go be a liar somewhere else.
 
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