The Central Backbone Torque Tube System Of Tatra.

[FelixstoweF.2]

I have to say I'm really impressed with this design. I always have been. I

 

[Defecater]

I see how the articulation could be crazy on that, but is there any actual suspension? Or am I not understanding something about it?

 

[OHV Wildcat]

I see how the articulation could be crazy on that, but is there any actual suspension? Or am I not understanding something about it?

Yep, springs or airbags on every wheel. I was dumbfounded when I saw it as a college kid in Europe. A fully-independent HDT?? What the hell? Also, crazy positive camber on a set of dual tires—very odd. None of my fellow engineering exchange students thought anything of it, which is when I started to question the background of my fellow engineering students.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

Yep, springs or airbags on every wheel. I was dumbfounded when I saw it as a college kid in Europe. A fully-independent HDT?? What the hell? Also, crazy positive camber on a set of dual tires—very odd. None of my fellow engineering exchange students thought anything of it, which is when I started to question the background of my fellow engineering students.

They used to use leaf Springs on most of these designs--so on the double boogie wheels they are kinda like a Mack Camel back Setup. They work extremely well. I had the chance to operate one briefly in Europe once. It was fun as hell.

They have none of the torque wind up problems you get with off-set drive shafts or the binding issues with the extreme movements of the wheels. Also the drive shaft is protected by the torque tube from damage itself.

The Original Walter truck drive train is similar the differentials are suspending in the frame of the truck with the torque tube carrying the main drive shaft. The big difference is the use of a trans-axle in the front end of this design. when they shifted to the transfer case and other manufactured transmissions they used more traditional drive shafts without a torque tube.

To me I think the best design is something with a torque tube and central backbone-- since it keeps the drive train in a linear position and makes the body independent of the torsional stresses on the central backbone.

 

[Slander]

So what's a torque tube and how does it differ from a driveshaft?

 

[Bebop]

None of my fellow engineering exchange students thought anything of it, which is when I started to question the background of my fellow engineering students.

It's a simple, well proven design that works. What's bad about it ?

 

[tsomctl]

Torque tube doesn't spin, it's part of the chassis. The driveshaft goes inside it.

 

[OHV Wildcat]

It's a simple, well proven design that works. What's bad about it ?

Maybe I didn’t say that well. I mean these dumbasses didn’t know how foreign it should be to them. They were 3rd year engineering students that had never noticed how heavy duty trucks were designed in the US. I agree, it’s a brilliant design, and has been proven to work great.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

Maybe I didn’t say that well. I mean these dumbasses didn’t know how foreign it should be to them. They were 3rd year engineering students that had never noticed how heavy duty trucks were designed in the US. I agree, it’s a brilliant design, and has been proven to work great.

OH you mean the US Engineering students in Europe not European Engineering Students.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

So what's a torque tube and how does it differ from a driveshaft?

The torque tube is actually what is taking the force of the wheels torque instead of the drive shaft like in the Hotchkiss Drive system that usually has a slip-spline shaft design.

This video does a really good job of explaining it.

 

[OHV Wildcat]

OH you mean the US Engineering students in Europe not European Engineering Students.

Exactly. My fellow supposedly farm-bred, Kansas State University peers. I was the only one of our group that actually grew up on a farm, but KSU is known as a down-to-earth university for the poor kids. I couldn’t believe that these obviously smart Mech. engineering students (all of which had better grades than me) didn’t seem to have any actual interest in mechanical stuff.

The Czech students were pretty impressive, really. And great fun, and very welcoming. My time in Prague was among the most transformative and enjoyable of my life.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

Exactly. My fellow supposedly farm-bred, Kansas State University peers. I was the only one of our group that actually grew up on a farm, but KSU is known as a down-to-earth university for the poor kids. I couldn’t believe that these obviously smart Mech. engineering students (all of which had better grades than me) didn’t seem to have any actual interest in mechanical stuff.

The Czech students were pretty impressive, really. And great fun, and very welcoming. My time in Prague was among the most transformative and enjoyable of my life.

That does surprise me. But you know that is difference between people that want to be engineers and those that think they should be engineers. I have friend from High School like that.

I think personally a well designed and crafted piece of machinery is cool no matter the origin.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

I'm surprised more guys in rock-crawler don't use a similar setup like the central torque tube and backbone construction in their builds. It would to me solve a bunch of issues with driveline windup at extreme angles.

 

[Provience]

I'm surprised more guys in rock-crawler don't use a similar setup like the central torque tube and backbone construction in their builds. It would to me solve a bunch of issues with driveline windup at extreme angles.

you're looking to solve a problem that isn't there with a solution that adds a bunch of weight, in regards to rock crawling.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

you're looking to solve a problem that isn't there with a solution that adds a bunch of weight, in regards to rock crawling.

Does it add a bunch of weight? You can literally reduce the body structure to nothing but a roll cage and a few supports for the shocks.

 

[Hydromaster]

Does it add a bunch of weight? You can literally reduce the body structure to nothing but a roll cage and a few supports for the shocks.

Have you built one?

Your response sounds like AI trying to apply some theory that it really doesn’t know about.

Another one of your dream threads, a rabbit hole to waste everybody’s time
fuck off you commie fag

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

Have you built one?

Your response sounds like AI trying to apply some theory that it really doesn’t know about.

Butt true to form you once again interject yourself into this thread with a whole bunch of BS , ruining somebody else’s thread with something you know little to nothing about.
fuck off you commie fag

It's my fucking thread dickhead and yes I understand the construction necessary. If anyone is interjecting yourself it is you.

 

[Provience]

Does it add a bunch of weight? You can literally reduce the body structure to nothing but a roll cage and a few supports for the shocks.

the body on a rockcrawler is already nothing but a roll cage and supports for the shocks

 

[Provience]

it's your thread for BS'ing and not even remote web wheeling/bench racing. Keep it in GCC

 

[Hydromaster]

Fascinating
You get all butt hurt when people treat your topic same way you treat everyone else's.


I’ll continue to interject my self into all of your theoretical bullshit, rabbit hole, time suck, threads

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

the body on a rockcrawler is already nothing but a roll cage and supports for the shocks

it's your thread for BS'ing and not even remote web wheeling/bench racing. Keep it in GCC

It's actually a better design for rock-crawling than you imagine because the ceenter torque tube would be the main structural support of the rollcage , transmission, engine and so on. Of course you wouldn't be using the components the same size as Tatra 813... Also the independent suspension of the vehicle would allow for better traction since the tires would be in better contact with the surfaces.

I see only positive solutions here to several issues that Rock Crawling presents all in a neat protected package.

 

[Hydromaster]

Just ask this guy how to build yer rig, because you’ve been doing it wrong. He’ll tell you how to do it right .

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

Just asked this guy fellas, you’ve been doing it wrong. He’ll tell you how to do it right .

Hey dumb ass it's a different approach that has different pluses and negatives. Weight isn't one of them if you design it correctly.

 

[Hydromaster]

see
^This from a guy who has never built anything.

Oh sure he’s built a little volcano out of his mashed potatoes and used gravy for lava but that’s really about it

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

see
This from a guy who has never built anything.

Considering you as a source... people should ask themselves why are you even here. Where is your big 4x4 Rig? Or is your sole purpose here to disrupt this message board with your crap?

 

[Provience]

It's actually a better design for rock-crawling than you imagine because the ceenter torque tube would be the main structural support of the rollcage , transmission, engine and so on. Of course you wouldn't be using the components the same size as Tatra 813... Also the independent suspension of the vehicle would allow for better traction since the tires would be in better contact with the surfaces.

I see only positive solutions here to several issues that Rock Crawling presents all in a neat protected package.

I don't think you understand what rock crawling is or understand what I said, when i said it's already minimized and you are looking to add weight.

fix yourself, do better next time

 

[Provience]

Considering you as a source... people should ask themselves why are you even here. Where is your big 4x4 Rig? Or is your sole purpose here to disrupt this message board with your crap?

that is exactly your stated purpose.

help a mod out, delete this thread and repost it in GCC

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

I don't think you understand what rock crawling is or understand what I said, when i said it's already minimized and you are looking to add weight.

fix yourself, do better next time

No, I understand the construction they use. And you're right they minimize weight. But this would allow you to minimize the weight as well. And I think benefits of having independent suspension and drive train that completely linear are even more important if the weights are comparable.

 

[FelixstoweF.2]

that is exactly your stated purpose.

help a mod out, delete this thread and repost it in GCC

I never stated any purpose. In fact I asked long before these jokers showed up about lighting and other things. So, maybe purpose was just to ask a few question and talk about off-roading.