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Testing my new Voodoo V22 Apparition.

You see 22 plinkster do the 700yd can challenge with his vodoo?
 
surpip said:
You see 22 plinkster do the 700yd can challenge with his vodoo?
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Naw, I'll have to look it up.

Just ran Strelok Pro for my V22 with a 1102fps MV, bullet will still be going 612fps at 700, so I suppose it's possible. Also 42.9 mils of elevation, I think with a 30MOA base and a 20MOA mount, I might be able to dial that much without holding. :laughing: I've shot a 18" gong at 430yds, but I'll have to try it out farther.
 
Roc Doc said:
Naw, I'll have to look it up.

Just ran Strelok Pro for my V22 with a 1102fps MV, bullet will still be going 612fps at 700, so I suppose it's possible. Also 42.9 mils of elevation, I think with a 30MOA base and a 20MOA mount, I might be able to dial that much without holding. :laughing: I've shot a 18" gong at 430yds, but I'll have to try it out farther.
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Strelok pro is an incredible program and my choice also. Sad casualty of the globalist Ukraine money laundering war
 
Texas97 said:
Strelok pro is an incredible program and my choice also. Sad casualty of the globalist Ukraine money laundering war
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One of the guys I shoot PRS with, (you should be happy to know he is the last holdout with .308), says there are work arounds for getting Strelok. I haven't needed these workarounds as I'm mostly inputting my data, but yeah, the features and bullet/ammo library is an awesome feature for someone without a chrono.
 
Roc Doc said:
One of the guys I shoot PRS with, (you should be happy to know he is the last holdout with .308), says there are work arounds for getting Strelok. I haven't needed these workarounds as I'm mostly inputting my data, but yeah, the features and bullet/ammo library is an awesome feature for someone without a chrono.
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I haven't had to have workarounds either but I haven't input a new gun or caliber since before. Would be curious on the workarounds.

Good to hear he's still shooting 308. Im sure you and your friends are glad to have a man around to open jars and pee standing up. :flipoff2:
 
Texas97 said:
I haven't had to have workarounds either but I haven't input a new gun or caliber since before. Would be curious on the workarounds.

Good to hear he's still shooting 308. Im sure you and your friends are glad to have a man around to open jars and pee standing up. :flipoff2:
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As long as we keep making the sandwiches it's all good.:flipoff2:

I have added a couple rifles since the ban, without issue. He's just not updating the library of reticles, bullets or ammo, and not selling new copies in the USA. I don't recall what the workaround is, but if you need it, leemeeknow and I'll hit him up.
 
Roc Doc said:
Yay, 40 something shots to finally get a hit, like watching paint dry. Shows you how inconsistent even premium rimfire ammo is, and how even a little wind can have a huge effect downrange.
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heh
like to see how many rounds it'd take to do the same thing with bulk pack trash and an american 180
 
Roc Doc said:
As long as we keep making the sandwiches it's all good.:flipoff2:

I have added a couple rifles since the ban, without issue. He's just not updating the library of reticles, bullets or ammo, and not selling new copies in the USA. I don't recall what the workaround is, but if you need it, leemeeknow and I'll hit him up.
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I just bought AB because of this. The new 25 Creed needed new bullets :laughing:

I'm seriously considering a rim-x. Shooting a b14r in a bravo right now, and I consistently beat Vudoo shooters but the rim-x shooters have been mixing it up. :flipoff2:

Question is, 18" or 22" benchmark mtu?
 
Chevy_man said:
I just bought AB because of this. The new 25 Creed needed new bullets :laughing:

I'm seriously considering a rim-x. Shooting a b14r in a bravo right now, and I consistently beat Vudoo shooters but the rim-x shooters have been mixing it up. :flipoff2:

Question is, 18" or 22" benchmark mtu?
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1 25" straight, no taper. One of the guys I shoot with has one. I looks ridiculous.

Here's the rifle that won the IPRF world championships. 23" no taper barrel.

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Roc Doc said:
1 25" straight, no taper. One of the guys I shoot with has one. I looks ridiculous.

Here's the rifle that won the IPRF world championships. 23" no taper barrel.

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I'm sticking with the MTU to fit nicely in a bravo. I can get away with a straight 1", but I'd rather keep the weight down. I have 1 bravo stuffed with 4.5lbs of buckshot to balance a 24" straight 1.2" 6mm, and it gets heavy.

I keep buying bravos because it gets cold in Montana and all aluminum chassis suck in the cold. I've noticed guys going back to stocks, mostly foundations, for the same reason.

Bison tactical has a national winning reamer and will do benchmark, kreiger, or bartlien barrels. Considering I have a 6mm brx benchmark that shoots .1 to .2" with any good bullet, I'm leaning that way. 3 groove tapered bore. :smokin:
 
Chevy_man said:
I'm sticking with the MTU to fit nicely in a bravo. I can get away with a straight 1", but I'd rather keep the weight down. I have 1 bravo stuffed with 4.5lbs of buckshot to balance a 24" straight 1.2" 6mm, and it gets heavy.

I keep buying bravos because it gets cold in Montana and all aluminum chassis suck in the cold. I've noticed guys going back to stocks, mostly foundations, for the same reason.

Bison tactical has a national winning reamer and will do benchmark, kreiger, or bartlien barrels. Considering I have a 6mm brx benchmark that shoots .1 to .2" with any good bullet, I'm leaning that way. 3 groove tapered bore. :smokin:
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I've got MTU profile in several of my rifles, I really see no need for a non-tapered barrel. That being said, a 1/2 x 28 thread on a slim barrel doesn't leave much meat at the end. If I re-barrel my 20" AR, I go heavier with a 5/8 x 24.

Those Foundation chassis have really taken off here recently, it's a nice product for sure.
 
Roc Doc said:
I've got MTU profile in several of my rifles, I really see no need for a non-tapered barrel. That being said, a 1/2 x 28 thread on a slim barrel doesn't leave much meat at the end. If I re-barrel my 20" AR, I go heavier with a 5/8 x 24.

Those Foundation chassis have really taken off here recently, it's a nice product for sure.
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I already have a mask hd in jail, so it's getting 1/2” threads. 22" would be a good start, and if it doesn't shoot great I can part off the threads on a lathe and re-crown at 21".

So worst case the b14r becomes the dedicated suppressor host. Along with the Mark 4 target I bought 3 years ago just because it was threaded. :grinpimp:

Funny how the ideas come together once you start discussing it.
 
Why such a long barrel?
To my mind it isn't about chasing velocity, since target .22 ammo is subsonic on purpose, avoiding transsonic flight and all that crap
Shorter barrels are stiffer, and you get about all the squeeze out of a .22 that you can in 10" of barrel or less

Obviously there's a reason for it because others are doing it, but it isn't apparent to me.
 
Chevy_man said:
I already have a mask hd in jail, so it's getting 1/2” threads. 22" would be a good start, and if it doesn't shoot great I can part off the threads on a lathe and re-crown at 21".

So worst case the b14r becomes the dedicated suppressor host. Along with the Mark 4 target I bought 3 years ago just because it was threaded. :grinpimp:

Funny how the ideas come together once you start discussing it.
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I know this is a .22 thread, but I should have been more clear, my commenta about thread pitch apply more to CF.
 
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Why such a long barrel?
To my mind it isn't about chasing velocity, since target .22 ammo is subsonic on purpose, avoiding transsonic flight and all that crap
Shorter barrels are stiffer, and you get about all the squeeze out of a .22 that you can in 10" of barrel or less

Obviously there's a reason for it because others are doing it, but it isn't apparent to me.
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The whole nfa short barreled rifle thing says they need to be at least 16" from breach face to muzzle :flipoff2:


16-18" is where you'll get the highest velocity. Oddly enough if you stretch them out to 22-26" you'll see a slow down, but also better consistency on the velocity. I still see subsonic speeds out of sk and Lapua match ammo with 16 and 18" barrels.
No idea how the magic works, but it's been shown time and again.

Transonic flight doesn't seem to have much effect on 22lr. The newer dedicated drag models like RA4 are working better. The bullet shape just acts wildly different than center-fire stuff. SK high velocity match ammo has been fun to play with. Shoots right along with the sk long range match, but it sure hits spinners harder and has less drop.
I think most of the myths around 22s come from the garbage ammo. For instance I had one lot of CCI mini-mags that shot 1/2 moa at 100. I've never seen it again from any other lot, 3-4moa is actually the norm. New ammo from sk and eley that's actually sorted, graded, and match quality in higher velocity is showing promise.

Barrel stiffness isn't a big concern with 22. I'm looking at contours that start at 1.200", and finish at .930" so they're stiff as hell with a tiny amount of pressure in the bore.

Of course you need to then decide how easy it is to move. And the practical barrel length comes back down to the 18-22" if you're running a suppressor.

It's why my prs rifle is getting the 24" swapped for a 20". Just easier to maneuver.



Then again, we all know you'd never spend $150/brick for ammo, or $1500/case for lot tested ammo. :flipoff2:
 
Chevy_man said:
Then again, we all know you'd never spend $150/brick for ammo, or $1500/case for lot tested ammo. :flipoff2:
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100% I know that too, #35 cci and a box-stock 10/22 has always been 'good enough' for me, just always interested in the theory of things.

Chevy_man said:
The whole nfa short barreled rifle thing says they need to be at least 16" from breach face to muzzle :flipoff2:
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either pin and weld a tube on to get length, or counterbore a blank back
I dunno which of those that ye olde iron sighted competitors do, but it used to be fairly common to get a longer sight radius

Chevy_man said:
Transonic flight doesn't seem to have much effect on 22lr. The newer dedicated drag models like RA4 are working better. The bullet shape just acts wildly different than center-fire stuff.
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'90s wives tale shooter logic had it the opposite, it becoming time for heeled bullet .308? haha

Chevy_man said:
16-18" is where you'll get the highest velocity. Oddly enough if you stretch them out to 22-26" you'll see a slow down, but also better consistency on the velocity.
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There's the interesting magic.
 
Roc Doc said:
I've got MTU profile in several of my rifles, I really see no need for a non-tapered barrel. That being said, a 1/2 x 28 thread on a slim barrel doesn't leave much meat at the end. If I re-barrel my 20" AR, I go heavier with a 5/8 x 24.

Those Foundation chassis have really taken off here recently, it's a nice product for sure.
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Been thinking about a Vudoo in 22mag for varmint plinking. I've even got an AIAT chassis to stick it in already.
 
FYI, if you havent been using them, or want to step up to something a bit nicer, the L3I 700 elite mags for AICS are pretty awesome. 14 rounds, adjustable mag catch on the mag, very tight in my OLD 40x conversion in a McMillan stock. i bought one and it beat the tar out of the old Black Ops mags i use and the newer voodoo mags i use also.
 
thx for the tip, I was not aware of those. $75 for a mag is pretty painful, but if it's a substantial improvement...
 
Roc Doc said:
thx for the tip, I was not aware of those. $75 for a mag is pretty painful, but if it's a substantial improvement...
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Well, it was for me. And it was my last chance before I started changing stocks and bottom metal. I even got a hold of an aluminum voodoo mag which was damn near unobtainable but it was worse than their polymer.

For the price voodoo commands, not having adjustable mags to tune different chassis and bottom metals is ridiculous
 
why not just use like 10/22 mags or something?

ETA: or hell, some single stack pistol mag
there's just so many magazine patterns out there that don't need adjustable magwells and adjustable magazines that the idea of having both 'solutions' to a problem which could just be discarded is kinda "out there"
 
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