Tell me about Idaho. Thinking about moving...

[blakes]

We currently live in Larimer County CO offgrid on Storm Mountain. Property taxes are going up, Colorado is a blue state, building codes/enforcement is a mess, too close to Denver, etc.

We can sell our log cabin (once finished next spring) for a ton of money and have more than enough capital to buy a much larger parcel of bare land in Idaho and have $$$ left over to build.

I work from home in IT, so no worries about a job.

Anyways, what do folks think about Idaho? Specifically Bonner County?

 

[RUGER]

im pretty sure theres a guy on here that just made a road trip up that way, dont know if he checked out bonner county.

https://irate4x4.com/chit-chat/73191-possible-road-trip-in-the-next-few-weeks

RUGER

 

[IH-SSII]

We currently live in Larimer County CO offgrid on Storm Mountain. Property taxes are going up, Colorado is a blue state, building codes/enforcement is a mess, too close to Denver, etc.

We can sell our log cabin (once finished next spring) for a ton of money and have more than enough capital to buy a much larger parcel of bare land in Idaho and have $$$ left over to build.

I work from home in IT, so no worries about a job.

Anyways, what do folks think about Idaho? Specifically Bonner County?

Lived in N Idaho for years. Bonners is nice, just be prepared for short summers. 2, 3 months at best, might hit 85 degrees, for 2 days. Seen snow in August before. Then after that, the sun disappears. I had 45 acres on a mountain at Naples.

 

[blakes]

Lived in N Idaho for years. Bonners is nice, just be prepared for short summers. 2, 3 months at best, might hit 85 degrees, for 2 days. Seen snow in August before. Then after that, the sun disappears. I had 45 acres on a mountain at Naples.

ya, it sounds like the weather is similar to here, but probably better.

We are at 8500 feet in elevation and got 239" of snow last season.

Looks like much if not all of Idaho is lower in elevation.

Hows the humidity? Any wildfire danger? etc?

 

[61scout80]

We currently live in Larimer County CO offgrid on Storm Mountain. Property taxes are going up, Colorado is a blue state, building codes/enforcement is a mess, too close to Denver, etc.

We can sell our log cabin (once finished next spring) for a ton of money and have more than enough capital to buy a much larger parcel of bare land in Idaho and have $$$ left over to build.

I work from home in IT, so no worries about a job.

Anyways, what do folks think about Idaho? Specifically Bonner County?

I'm dealing with your county and building permits. It really is a mess.

You're probably not considering Boise, but if you are read up a little more. We were considering it, but I've read a lot of people saying that Californians found it and are destroying it.

 

[Provience]

fire is always a danger in the mountains, but probably very similar to what you are used to. probably a little bit more humid due to lower elevation.

the Idaho DOT 511 website is pretty handy. find a camera on a highway nearerish the are you are thinking and pull it up. in addition to the live pictures, they've typically also got air and ground temp, wind info, rain info, humidity and the like.

 

[Howdy]

I'm dealing with your county and building permits. It really is a mess.

You're probably not considering Boise, but if you are read up a little more. We were considering it, but I've read a lot of people saying that Californians found it and are destroying it.

Yep....Many Californians are flocking up to Eagle and Star. Prices are not so cheap up there anymore. The taxes in Idaho are not exactly at the top of the list especially when it comes to retirement. With the rising home prices and average tax policies it might not be the place to be going in 10 years. Maybe some property out in the Spokane area could be a better buy. My uncle who has been in the Meridian Area for over 40 years, has said for a while that the wrong kind of thinking people have moving in and changing the state.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Yep....Many Californians are flocking up to Eagle and Star. Prices are not so cheap up there anymore. The taxes in Idaho are not exactly at the top of the list especially when it comes to retirement. With the rising home prices and average tax policies it might not be the place to be going in 10 years. Maybe some property out in the Spokane area could be a better buy. My uncle who has been in the Meridian Area for over 40 years, has said for a while that the wrong kind of thinking people have moving in and changing the state.

You're probably not considering Boise, but if you are read up a little more. We were considering it, but I've read a lot of people saying that Californians found it and are destroying it.

Exactly.

The state will go soon after Boise does.

When are people going to wake up and realize that being a place that isn't overtly hostile to these people is simply not tenable long term. People can harp all they want about "the good ones" but there's no such thing.

 

[woods]

Isn't Idaho where potatoes are born?

 

[Arps]

I know a few folks that relocated to the Nampa area because of the RV industry. They have had nothing but good things to say about it.

 

[ExWrench]

Isn't Idaho where potatoes are born?

Are you referring to spuds, slow folks, or crappy camera phones?

 

[evernoob]

All the mountain men were getting up in arms and irate in that other thread about move-ins Guess I won't be moving to Idaho anytime soon.

 

[woods]

Are you referring to spuds, slow folks, or crappy camera phones?

Both?

 

[Chevy_man]

Good luck.


Finding reliable high speed (15mbps) will be a challenge. You'll be stuck with satellite and the issues there.


It'll probably be blue before you're done building.

 

[evernoob]

Exactly.

The state will go soon after Boise does.

When are people going to wake up and realize that being a place that isn't overtly hostile to these people is simply not tenable long term. People can harp all they want about "the good ones" but there's no such thing.

I'm not advocating anything. But if you don't vandalize hostiles, have the police harass them, deny them jobs, fuck up their property paperwork, unfairly discriminate against them in civil court, and sue them every time they turn around, they're simply going to Civil Rights you into submission and change your society.

Soon they will start minority organizations because minorities will move in and create crimes that the hostiles can hide behind. Now you have a Civil Rights fight on your hands, and if you say anything you're a Nazi that gets fired and ostracized. Your old 'friends' who hated the Hostiles suddenly won't help you because of the climate of fear.

The Real Estate Developers will contribute to local Sheriff's campaigns, and any type of pressure on the Hostiles will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law. Your brother-in-law may regret it, but he WILL arrest you and put you in jail for throwing cowshit on the Hostiles' driveway.

So you have to prosecute the RE Developers as well. Or anyone else that benefits from the Hostiles like local Lefty politicians and Union organizers.

But none of that will happen because Conservatives have lost the will to fight, or if they have the will, they will be thwarted by the overall sense of Defeatism and Ennui which has been the Left's greatest weapon on us. Might as well look for that property deeper innawoods and hope Karen and her lawyers don't come find you.

It's only a matter of time. And other than tactics like that above, the only solution to all of this is widespread violence. You can make them afraid civilly, or you can make them afraid in an existential manner.

 

[ExWrench]

Both?

 

[Provience]

Yep....Many Californians are flocking up to Eagle and Star. Prices are not so cheap up there anymore. The taxes in Idaho are not exactly at the top of the list especially when it comes to retirement. With the rising home prices and average tax policies it might not be the place to be going in 10 years. Maybe some property out in the Spokane area could be a better buy. My uncle who has been in the Meridian Area for over 40 years, has said for a while that the wrong kind of thinking people have moving in and changing the state.

this is why I think Oregon is so attractive. Spokane isn't really great because it is still stuck in WA and seattle has more than 10 years before it collapses, despite their best efforts

if only the OR codes weren't so abusive, and in the grand scheme they really aren't "that" bad.

 

[Provience]

All the mountain men were getting up in arms and irate in that other thread about move-ins Guess I won't be moving to Idaho anytime soon.

greater Idaho is a sham, state of Jefferson is a much greater proposition

 

[blakes]

hows the sunshine in Idaho in general?

If we decide to move there, we would most likely be offgrid. Here in Colorado we have more than enough sun to run our solar systems...

 

[Provience]

I'm not advocating anything. But if you don't vandalize hostiles, have the police harass them, deny them jobs, fuck up their property paperwork, unfairly discriminate against them in civil court, and sue them every time they turn around, they're simply going to Civil Rights you into submission and change your society.

Soon they will start minority organizations because minorities will move in and create crimes that the hostiles can hide behind. Now you have a Civil Rights fight on your hands, and if you say anything you're a Nazi that gets fired and ostracized. Your old 'friends' who hated the Hostiles suddenly won't help you because of the climate of fear.

The Real Estate Developers will contribute to local Sheriff's campaigns, and any type of pressure on the Hostiles will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law. Your brother-in-law may regret it, but he WILL arrest you and put you in jail for throwing cowshit on the Hostiles' driveway.

So you have to prosecute the RE Developers as well. Or anyone else that benefits from the Hostiles like local Lefty politicians and Union organizers.

But none of that will happen because Conservatives have lost the will to fight, or if they have the will, they will be thwarted by the overall sense of Defeatism and Ennui which has been the Left's greatest weapon on us. Might as well look for that property deeper innawoods and hope Karen and her lawyers don't come find you.

It's only a matter of time. And other than tactics like that above, the only solution to all of this is widespread violence. You can make them afraid civilly, or you can make them afraid in an existential manner.

free state project in New Hampshire is doing exactly what you are describing. they fall apart when they romanticize secession from the USA

 

[arse_sidewards]

free state project in New Hampshire is doing exactly what you are describing. they fall apart when they romanticize secession from the USA

Their biggest problem is proximity to an overwhelming number of massholes. There's no winning when your enemy is both more numerous and richer.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Hopefully ID will get some good winters in the next few years and drive some of the yuppies out. ​​​​​​

Everyone wants to blame the Californians for changing things, which may have some validity, but I think it's mostly just the population increase. More people, more problems. I've seen it develop here over the last 25 years.

I'm sure those same guys aren't complaining about how their economy is booming up there.

It's not like the bleeding heart liberals are the ones getting out of ca, or, and WA.

 

[arse_sidewards]

It's not like the bleeding heart liberals are the ones getting out of ca, or, and WA.

This attitude is exactly the problem. The people who leave states like CA might not be "bleeding heart liberals". They might even have decent opinions on a couple things. They are still Californians full of Californian culture and California observations about how the world works and that's the shit that really poisons a free state. The "good ones" aren't "good". There's no such thing.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

This attitude is exactly the problem. The people who leave states like CA might not be "bleeding heart liberals". They might even have decent opinions on a couple things. They are still Californians full of Californian culture and California observations about how the world works and that's the shit that really poisons a free state. The "good ones" aren't "good". There's no such thing.

Pretty big generalization there. I get what you're saying, because I'm sure a lot of the people are that way. They may not vote blue, but they aren't as free minded as a lot of Idaho residents. There are also a lot of people who aren't that way.

Have you ever spent time in CA? Like the vast farm lands, or the mountain towns?

The area I live in is much more rural and red than the cities of ID.

For example my in laws have been looking at property in North Idaho. They currently live on 7 acres in an orchard/cattle town. They have no sound ordinance or really any restrictions besides zoning where they're at. Lots of the properties in Idaho have cc&rs on what you can and can't do. One place wouldn't allow you to fence your own property

It's not always as cut and dry as everyone thinks. Saying all ca think this ways is as dumb as the saying all cops are bad.

 

[Provience]

Hopefully ID will get some good winters in the next few years and drive some of the yuppies out. ​​​​​​

Everyone wants to blame the Californians for changing things, which may have some validity, but I think it's mostly just the population increase. More people, more problems. I've seen it develop here over the last 25 years.

I'm sure those same guys aren't complaining about how their economy is booming up there.

It's not like the bleeding heart liberals are the ones getting out of ca, or, and WA.

yup, the drive to the city model and the state dependence that it creates are the issues. Californians are not why Boise has an open socialist elected official or why Richmond VA has one as well.

 

[rockota]

It's not like the bleeding heart liberals are the ones getting out of ca, or, and WA.

It is, though. Even Liberals will move for a better job, lower taxes, etc.. just look at the voting records after mass emigration between states.

 

[woods]

Their biggest problem is proximity to an overwhelming number of massholes. There's no winning when your enemy is both more numerous and richer.

I did the math and the numbers check out.

 

[Gunwalls_Buckthorne]

This attitude is exactly the problem. The people who leave states like CA might not be "bleeding heart liberals". They might even have decent opinions on a couple things. They are still Californians full of Californian culture and California observations about how the world works and that's the shit that really poisons a free state. The "good ones" aren't "good". There's no such thing.

That’s probably the most ignorant thing I’ll read today.

 

[Provience]

It is, though. Even Liberals will move for a better job, lower taxes, etc.. just look at the voting records after mass emigration between states.

i'm curious what it shows. the common response to the net migration loss of CA is that it is more a reflection of how people born in other states are moving to CA in much lower numbers, but are being offset by generally fewer CA born people moving out, though still more than US move in. There is also an increase in foreign born residents moving in to CA, so in a sense it is distilling itself down.

regarding foreign born, that leads to the next obvious issue or concern of "how many of those people are staying" rather than simple residency. there are massive amounts of foreign born work visa immigration and CA likely is also claiming non-visa illegal immigration, and likewise a massive amount of college tourism. It is not a comforting trend to say "well, we have lots of immigrants" if those immigrants are coming for illegal and college tourism and not continuing to contribute the repayment aspect over a lifetime of work. I won't outright say all H1B is bad, but a high level is certainly indicative of some sort of failure if it doesn't also result in long term residency, ideally in the form of citizenship, to enhance the tax base reliably.

Migrants are great, but if they cannot be retained then they should be viewed as fleeting and not foundational. that is the more concerning point as a CA native, though without significant degradation in Idaho over the next decade or two i'm not likely to seek out CA in the future.

 

[rockota]

i'm curious what it shows. the common response to the net migration loss of CA is that it is more a reflection of how people born in other states are moving to CA in much lower numbers, but are being offset by generally fewer CA born people moving out, though still more than US move in. There is also an increase in foreign born residents moving in to CA, so in a sense it is distilling itself down.

regarding foreign born, that leads to the next obvious issue or concern of "how many of those people are staying" rather than simple residency. there are massive amounts of foreign born work visa immigration and CA likely is also claiming non-visa illegal immigration, and likewise a massive amount of college tourism. It is not a comforting trend to say "well, we have lots of immigrants" if those immigrants are coming for illegal and college tourism and not continuing to contribute the repayment aspect over a lifetime of work. I won't outright say all H1B is bad, but a high level is certainly indicative of some sort of failure if it doesn't also result in long term residency, ideally in the form of citizenship, to enhance the tax base reliably.

Migrants are great, but if they cannot be retained then they should be viewed as fleeting and not foundational. that is the more concerning point as a CA native, though without significant degradation in Idaho over the next decade or two i'm not likely to seek out CA in the future.

just look at the once red cities that had large growth spurts... and notice many are now Blue.